Re: Still Going - IRS Still Using JFK-Era Computers

Subject	Re: Still Going - IRS Still Using JFK-Era Computers
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From	"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
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Date	2024-08-18 00:52 -0400
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On 8/17/24 11:45 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 22:01:12 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>>     Hmm ... what was good in the very early 60s ?
>>     IBM had a number of offerings, esp it's new and great System/360. The
>>     article did not specify WHAT 'ancient' computers.
> 
> Depending on how literally you want to take 'Kennedy administration' it
> would be a 7000 hopefully. At least that one had transistors.

   Govt specs being what they are, it was PROBABLY tech at
   least 5-7 years out of date.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_700/7000_series

   The 7000 series were pretty GOOD computers, given
   the state of the tech. There WERE a few competitors
   however. As said, the article didn't specify.

   Anyhow, clearly JUST beyond the vac-tube era since
   those would be just TOO hard to maintain all this time.

> https://web.archive.org/web/20200119162242/http://blog.modernmechanix.com/
> big-brother-7074-is-watching-you/
> 
> A contemporary article with a chilling vision of the future:
> 
> "Eventually, large corporations could also be plugged into the system.
> Computers thousands of miles apart could talk taxes without any numbskull
> human interference. Banks could be hooked in, too, reporting who is
> getting interest payments. Real-estate and stock-market computers might
> tattle on who is making money. Machines in charity organizations could
> reveal amounts of donations. And hospital computers could report on
> individual medical costs."

   Visionary ... and back when they STILL understood
   all the DOWNSIDE.

   But note that DIDN'T HELP - what was "just easier"
   for govt/biz/banking CAME TO BE.

   And now Russians/Chinese have the keys to that
   whole kingdom.

   NOT good at all.

   And I do NOT know a good work-around. What, should
   I keep a briefcase full of bearer bonds in some
   obscure storage facility and just assume the owners
   don't rifle through the contents ???

   Again, NOT good !

   Frankly, I think The West is goin' DOWN - and
   right when I've gotten OLD. Hyper-suck !

> System/360 was announced in '64 but RPI had one of the first 360/30s in
> '65 when I took my first programming class in FORTRAN IV. Kennedy was shot
> in '63.

   Which is why I suspect the 7000s.

   BITS of 360 were to be had a bit earlier, but, as said,
   govt contracts spend years working up their specs.

   Once got a tour of a US attack sub. Their 'computer'
   STILL used the big old disk-drive units where you
   could remove entire spools of large disks ... early
   60s tech in a boat built nearly two decades later.
   Again, the govt-spec/contract process ...

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Still Going - IRS Still Using JFK-Era Computers "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-17 22:01 -0400
  Re: Still Going - IRS Still Using JFK-Era Computers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-18 02:24 +0000
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  Re: Still Going - IRS Still Using JFK-Era Computers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-08-18 03:45 +0000
    Re: Still Going - IRS Still Using JFK-Era Computers "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-18 00:52 -0400
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            Re: Still Going - IRS Still Using JFK-Era Computers Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-21 07:34 +0000
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