Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks
Date	2026-05-19 04:49 +0000
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On Mon, 18 May 2026 21:06:26 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On Mon, 18 May 2026 09:23:14 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> That's your internet connection. The LAN in your house can still be
>>> cable.
> 
> On 2026-05-18 09:06, rbowman wrote:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiFi
>> 
>> Why would I want to add a WiFi to Ethernet converter to the mix and add
>> even more wires to the existing mess?  I am not sure it would even work
>> for more than one connection.
> 
> I don't know if it's been fixed in the meantime, but back in the days
> when I actually read the WiFi protocol specs, WiFi devices were end
> nodes, and the source MAC address was that of the WiFi chip. There were
> access points that could do bridging, but that was a proprietary
> protocol extension, not guaranteed to work between devices from
> different brands.

Without digging into it that was my concern with the wifi to Ethernet 
adapters. If you had a device without wifi that had Ethernet you could 
plug it in but the adapter would only have one MAC address that would be 
assigned 192.168.1.xxx.

A VM on a wifi only box is the same. The VM gets a virtual IP that can be 
pinged from the host, and the kvm/QEMU does so sort of NAT, but all you 
ever see is the host's MAC and assigned IP looking from the outside.

In any case I have no problems with the computers, Fire TV, Kindles, 
picos, and so forth using wifi and see no advantage to running wire.  

Back in the dialup days I recall the Windows laptop had some sort of 
'share my internet connection' and I could use a crossover cable to hook 
in another machine.

I could connect from the Linux box with a modem but I would reach a point 
in the signon dialog where I didn't know the proper response in the Expect 
script. When asked the ISP said 'we don't support Linux. Use Windows. It 
just works.' which I took to mean 'we're clueless on how our dialup system 
works.'

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Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-17 01:12 -0400
  Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-17 14:04 +0200
    Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-18 18:59 -0400
  Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-17 15:32 +0000
    Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-17 16:38 +0000
      Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-17 18:20 +0000
      Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-17 21:04 +0100
        Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-18 01:10 +0000
          Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-18 09:23 +0200
            Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-18 16:06 +0000
              Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-18 20:17 +0200
                Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-20 01:14 +0000
                Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-19 23:22 -0400
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              Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-05-18 21:06 -0700
                Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-19 04:49 +0000
                Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-19 23:11 -0400
                Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-19 01:06 -0400
          Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-18 13:35 +0100
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    Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-18 19:04 -0400
      Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-19 10:44 +0200
        Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-19 10:12 +0100
          Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-19 23:14 -0400
        Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> - 2026-05-19 10:49 +0000
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      Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-19 12:33 +0100
        Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-19 23:17 -0400
  Re: Odd WiFi Issue I've Seen More Than Once - Disappearing WiFi Networks Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-17 23:21 +0100

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