Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]

Subject	Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.linux.misc
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From	"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
Organization	wokiesux
Date	2024-10-23 03:15 -0400
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On 10/1/24 8:54 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 16:07:42 -0700, John Ames wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 22:17:26 -0000 (UTC)
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> That’s why I say, you got to be kidding about it being “cleaner
>>> overall”.
>>
>> I meant more on a core language/syntax level ...
> 
> Even then, you often have to write things like
> 
>      final java.util.Map<android.view.MenuItem, PopupAction> NewMenuItems =
>          new java.util.HashMap<android.view.MenuItem, PopupAction>(MenuItems.size());
> 
> That particular example may be Android-specific, but I don’t think you
> can blame the Android API calls for this particular instance of
> long-windedness; it’s fundamental to the way Java works.

   Look, Java/JS kinda just SUCKS to write in. The
   'object' aspect has gotten totally out of control,
   to the point where you can barely tell what one
   of those ultra-long lines actually DOES. This
   isn't a good thing.

   More "simple" approaches like TeX and Pascal may
   be the 'better way' by and large.

   Of course now "AI" is getting into the app-writing
   process. Its logic and methods and syntax are now
   kinda out of of the realm of human understanding
   and will rapidly get WAY beyond.

   This is where tech again becomes "magic". Speak
   the charms and chants and spells ..... but HOW
   it works will always be a mystic mystery.

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Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 03:15 -0400
  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 07:43 -0700
    Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:23 +0000
      Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:40 -0700
      Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 21:13 -0400
        Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 02:38 -0400
          Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-24 12:27 +0100
            Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 21:10 -0400

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