Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over

From	ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over
Date	2025-10-01 21:28 +0000
Organization	Stefan Ram
Message-ID	<another-20251001222410@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> (permalink)
References	(3 earlier) <10bhmfu$3vti3$5@dont-email.me> <supervisor-20250930235728@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <wwv3482h7ij.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> <code-20251001182123@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <10bk54h$k61q$2@dont-email.me>

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Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>On 1 Oct 2025 17:21:55 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>That just shows, a coding chatbot really needs someone over its
>>shoulder who goes through the code, points out the flaws, and keeps
>>pressing on them until the code actually is written the way it
>>should.
>... another chatbot?

  Then you'd still run into the issue of figuring out how to tell
  the supervisor chatbot to actually line up with what you want.
  So in a way, you might just be kicking the can down the road.

  That said, a single chatbot still has a ton of headroom. For
  my examples I used a generic one, not something trained on a
  particular programming language, coding approach, or runtime
  setup. Considering that, the results were solid. You could
  definitely train a chatbot specifically for high-security Linux
  programming in C, drill it on your own style rules, and probably
  start out with even stronger results right from the jump.

|So here's the thing: there's this rule that never really
|fails. If a ruler isn't wise on his own, he can't be advised
|well - unless he somehow turns everything over to one really
|sharp guy who basically runs the show. That could work for a
|bit, but it wouldn't last, because that guy would probably
|take power for himself sooner or later. And if the ruler
|tries to lean on a group instead, it's even worse: if he's
|not smart enough himself, he can't really piece their advice
|together into something consistent. Each advisor will be
|looking out for his own interests, and the ruler won't be
|able to catch that or push back. Human nature being what it
|is, people usually end up acting badly unless some necessity
|forces them to act decently. So the bottom line is that good
|advice, no matter where it comes from, has to grow out of the
|ruler's own judgment - not that his judgment comes out of good
|advice.
"Il Principe" (1513) - Niccolò Machiavelli (1469/1527)

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AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 00:12 -0400
  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 09:37 +0200
    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-09-30 14:25 +0000
      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-09-30 14:32 +0000
        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 19:21 +0200
        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 19:35 +0100
          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:45 +0000
      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:41 +0000
      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:44 +0000
        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-09-30 23:05 +0000
          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 23:46 +0000
            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-10-01 00:10 +0000
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-10-01 00:56 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 01:06 +0000
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 01:05 +0000
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-01 03:53 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 04:57 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:41 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:40 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-10 18:00 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:41 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-11 11:00 +0100
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:39 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:31 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:09 +0100
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 19:03 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:28 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:04 +0100
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 19:40 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:24 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:19 +0100
          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-01 18:11 +0100
            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-10-01 17:21 +0000
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 21:06 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-10-01 21:28 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 08:54 +0100
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 10:02 +0100
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 20:41 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:24 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:21 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:20 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-04 17:04 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-10-01 22:33 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-01 23:45 +0100
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 22:19 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-02 11:15 +0100
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:59 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 06:20 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-02 03:05 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 18:41 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-02 07:26 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 18:37 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:29 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-03 05:06 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 01:24 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2025-10-03 11:33 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 20:46 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:25 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-03 04:44 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 01:18 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-10-03 11:38 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 20:42 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-10-03 20:59 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 21:05 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:37 -0400
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                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 22:55 +0000
    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 22:06 -0400
      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-01 20:26 +0000
        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:58 -0400
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    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 12:56 +0100
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