Re: Anybody Using IPv6?

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From	not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Subject	Re: Anybody Using IPv6?
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
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Date	2025-05-22 09:10 +1000
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Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2025-05-21 16:52, Marc Haber wrote:
>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2025-05-21 13:16, Marc Haber wrote:
>>>> I think that the local resolver should? also refrain from asking for
>>>> AAAA records if the local system doesn't have IPv6, but I don't know
>>>> whether this special-case handling is implemented at all. And I'm too
>>>> lazy to look that up.
>>>>
>>>> But all this needs to be taken into account before someone can comment
>>>> about speed of one IP protocol compared to the other on a level that
>>>> is beyond passing myths.
>>>
>>> It just is a perceived fact. On some machines, if an application gets
>>> back from the system a list of addresses to try, and tries IPv6 first
>>> when there is no actual IPv6 internet connectivity, there is a small
>>> delay waiting for the request to fail, and then try the next address in
>>> the list.
>> 
>> pcap/strace or it didn't happen.
> 
> Asking for a trace _now_ is ridiculous. It certainly did happen, and to 
> to several people. Years ago.

Looks like it was only last year when I encountered package list
downloads failing in Aptitude on an IPv4-only VPS due to it trying
to connect on IPv6.

Disabling IPv6 on there made perfect sense - it's intended to be a
stable system, not a testing ground for applications. I knew IPv6
wasn't available, and I'd seen such behaviour before in an
unimportant program on another system, so really it's my fault for
leaving the door open to such bugs by pointlessly leaving the
kernel's IPv6 support enabled.

>> Please note that _broken_ IPv6, for example when the router announces
>> an IPv6 but the network doesn't return a host unreachable ICMPv6
>> message from the place where connectivity is missing, will cause an
>> IPv6-enabled application to wait for the time out. But that is an
>> error in the _network_ setup, and should not happen in the case where
>> the end system (the one with the application running) has v6 enabled
>> on a non-v6-enabled network.

But if that network error has been made, you'll avoid trouble if
IPv6 is disabled. So if you know IPv6 isn't available anyway,
there's a clear advantage to disabling it in the kernel and dodging
these potential sources of failure even if they "should not
happen".

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Anybody Using IPv6? Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-05-15 18:42 +0000
  Re: Anybody Using IPv6? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-17 18:01 +0000
    Re: Anybody Using IPv6? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-05-17 11:05 -0700
      Re: Anybody Using IPv6? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-05-17 11:17 -0700
      Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-05-18 07:16 -0400
    Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2025-05-17 15:13 -0300
      Linux advocacy (was: Re: Anybody Using IPv6?) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-18 00:11 +0000
        Re: Linux advocacy (was: Re: Anybody Using IPv6?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-17 23:45 -0400
          Re: Linux advocacy (was: Re: Anybody Using IPv6?) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-18 10:02 +0200
            Re: Linux advocacy (was: Re: Anybody Using IPv6?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-18 20:27 +0000
              Re: Linux advocacy (was: Re: Anybody Using IPv6?) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-19 08:13 +0200
                Re: Linux advocacy (was: Re: Anybody Using IPv6?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-19 07:24 +0000
            Re: Linux advocacy (was: Re: Anybody Using IPv6?) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-19 19:26 +0000
              Re: Linux advocacy (was: Re: Anybody Using IPv6?) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-20 10:00 +0200
                Re: Linux advocacy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 09:36 +0100
                Re: Linux advocacy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-20 11:46 +0200
                Re: Linux advocacy Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-20 12:20 +0200
                Re: Linux advocacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 10:38 +0100
                Re: Linux advocacy Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-20 12:21 +0200
                Re: Linux advocacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 11:33 +0100
                Re: Linux advocacy Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-20 17:48 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-20 13:04 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-20 17:49 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 17:02 +0100
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-20 18:34 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-20 19:43 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-20 19:52 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-20 23:14 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-21 03:46 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-21 08:05 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-21 09:13 +0100
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-21 10:42 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-21 13:16 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-21 14:00 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-05-21 14:30 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-21 14:45 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-21 16:53 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-21 18:30 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-05-21 17:16 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-21 18:31 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-21 16:52 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-21 16:47 +0100
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-21 21:14 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-21 19:16 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-22 09:10 +1000
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-22 09:27 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-22 18:16 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-22 20:51 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-21 17:35 +0100
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-21 21:18 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-21 21:10 +0100
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-21 19:22 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-21 21:21 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-21 03:16 +0000
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-21 08:07 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-21 12:45 +0000
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-21 17:19 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-21 10:39 +0200
          Re: Linux advocacy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-18 11:07 +0200
            Re: Linux advocacy Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-19 08:14 +0200
              Re: Linux advocacy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-19 12:27 +0200
                Re: Linux advocacy Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-19 14:54 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-19 15:37 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-19 16:36 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-19 17:31 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-19 17:58 +0100
        Re: Linux advocacy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-18 09:46 +0100
          Re: Linux advocacy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-18 09:49 +0100
    Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-17 20:50 +0200
      Re: Anybody Using IPv6? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-05-17 11:52 -0700
    Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2025-05-18 03:26 -0400
      Re: Anybody Using IPv6? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-20 00:17 -0400
        Re: Anybody Using IPv6? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 10:35 +0100
          Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-20 12:14 +0200
            Re: Anybody Using IPv6? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 11:35 +0100
              Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-20 17:45 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 17:00 +0100
        Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-20 11:55 +0200
      Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-20 09:59 +0200
        Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 09:21 +0100
        Re: Anybody Using IPv6? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 10:37 +0100
          Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-20 12:15 +0200
            Re: Anybody Using IPv6? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 11:33 +0100
              Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-20 17:47 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 17:01 +0100
          Re: Anybody Using IPv6? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-20 23:42 -0400
            Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-21 08:03 +0200
              Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-21 08:21 -0700
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-21 21:13 +0200
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-21 23:09 +0100
                Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-22 09:25 +0200
            Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-21 10:47 +0200
  Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-18 09:59 +0200
    Re: Anybody Using IPv6? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-18 11:12 +0200
      Re: Anybody Using IPv6? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-18 20:18 +0000
        Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-19 08:11 +0200
          Re: Anybody Using IPv6? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-19 07:11 +0000
            Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-19 09:33 +0200
      Re: Anybody Using IPv6? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-19 08:09 +0200

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