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Re: Wayland Makes Progress

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On 2026-05-17 13:11, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 17-05-2026, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> a écrit :
>> On 5/15/26 20:58, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>> Le 10-05-2026, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> I do wonder how much that’s a real concern, not because of the risk of a
>>>> failure but because the consequences of a failure aren’t so different
>>>> from the end user perspective: on a desktop system, if your GUI crashes,
>>>> it’s game over whether it crashes the whole machine or just the GUI
>>>> component. Either way, you’re not getting much work done.
>>>
>>> I don't know for you or him, but about me, you are wrong. I never saw
>>> swaywm crash, but if it ever happened, I would be in my TTY. And I
>>> can do a lot of things with my command line.
>>
>> Gnome on an Orange Pi 5 crashes/freezes a lot. I don't know why, but I
>> accept the GPU drivers are flaky. I guess it is hard to build a reliable
>> system on top of a flaky driver.
> 
> I don't know if the Orange Pi are designed to run Gnome. So, maybe it's
> the drivers, maybe the Orange Pi has not enough ressources to run Gnome.
> I really don't know.
> 
> What I know is that Gnome works fine for all the computers I saw, except
> for the one who have an nvidia GPU. There, nvidia is not a good idea
> with Linux. Even if things improved with AI, it's still far from good.
> Mostly after a kernel update.
> 
>>> I'm sure about it because I
>>> don't have a GUI to manage my login. The GUI starts once I'm connected,
>>> so if the GUI crash, I'm at the beginning, already connected. And if my
>>> GUI freeze and I can't do anything about it because it doesn't even
>>> crash, I would be able to switch to a TTY with [CTRL]+[ALT]+[F2] do some
>>> stuff to be at least able to kill my GUI.
>>>
>>> On Windows, I have neither see nor heard any case of GUI crash with
>>> anything else than a Blue Screen Of Death.
>>>
>>
>> It was quite common to have the GUI freeze, to be able to logon from a
>> remote machine and restart it.
>>
>> One of the biggest differences between MS Windows and Linux Gnome was
>> that crtl+alt+delete on MS Windows could often help you recover a frozen
>> GUI.
> 
> OK, ctrl+alt+delete don't work with Linux, but you just have to choose
> the right combination. As I said, the ctrl+alt+FN always worked for me.
> And if that's not enough, you always have the magic keys:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key>
> 
> For the ctrl+alt+delete, I would have agreed with the often on very old
> versions of Linux, but last time I checked, it never worked for me when
> I needed it.
> 
> For me, a GUI freeze is easy to manage with Linux, and almost always
> impossible with Windows.
> 

If the GUI freezes, it is ctrl-alt-backspace, twice.

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Cheers, Carlos.
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Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-10 16:50 +0100
  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 22:46 +0100
    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 19:58 +0000
      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-15 21:23 +0100
        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 21:08 +0000
      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-17 08:01 +0100
        Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-17 03:35 -0400
        Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-17 10:31 +0100
        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-17 11:11 +0000
          Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-17 14:52 +0200
        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-17 16:35 +0000
          Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-17 21:00 +0100

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