Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland

From	Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland
Date	2026-03-23 10:29 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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>Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>wrote:
>>On 2026-03-22 19:32, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> If things get worse I will dump Linux altogether and write my own multi tasking OS implementation,
>> like I did so many years ago with CP/M:
>>   https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/z80/index.html
>> 
>> These days you need giggle bytes of bullshit just to say 'hello world'
>> Coding is simple, understand the hardware!
>>   https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/download.html
>> 
>> Programming chips in asm is also fun and requires less hardware for even beyond high level programming coders these days.
>>   https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/index.html
>
>It has been 10+ years since I last tried to bring an existing small 
>embedded multitasking system up on a (then) fairly modern microcomputer 
>chip. It was a new generation of the power-PC embedded controller we 
>used for a previous generation of one of our products.
>
>After much banging of our heads, we found that
>- Bare metal development was no longer supported.
>- The recommended development path was to use the chip manufacturers
>   real-time Linux port and run our code in user mode.
>- If we needed sub-microsecond interrupt response time, the
>   recommendation was to implement the time-critical parts in an FPGA
>   and write a driver for that, using a documented framework for the
>   driver interface.
>- The only other option seemed to be to use their open-source bootloader
>   as a framework, and just add our application to the first half of its
>   code. But with use being a small customer, only buying a few thousand
>   CPUs, they would not be spending resources on supporting us.
>
>We abandoned the effort.

Yes, I used FPGA for some projects, also saves external hardware sometimes.
 https://panteltje.nl/pub/FPGA_board_with_25MHz_VCXO_locked_to_rubidium_10MHz_reference_IMG_3724.GIF

As to 'multitasking' in small micros costing 3 US dollars or less, 
for some of those microchips running at many MHz using a chip for each task is also an option.
I build a LED controller here that uses 3 Microchip PICs to drive red green and blue LED 'disco lights', music coming from a PC via ethernet.
 https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/ethernet_color_pic/index.html

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  Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-23 02:32 +0000
    Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-03-22 20:02 -0700
      Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-23 03:30 +0000
      Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-23 10:29 +0000
    Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Distro Lackey <dl@lackey.com> - 2026-03-23 13:50 +0000
      Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 10:11 -0400
      Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-23 14:18 +0000
        Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-23 16:24 +0000
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            Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 13:14 -0400
            Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-24 07:37 +0000
        Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-23 19:11 +0000
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                Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-24 08:20 +0000
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                Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-25 09:25 +0000
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