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Re: Question about umount and sync

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On a sunny day (Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:29:05 +0000 (UTC)) it happened Joe
Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> wrote in <lsvjf0$dlm$1@dont-email.me>:

>On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 12:58:35 -0700, ameliusje wrote:
>> On Friday, June 29, 2012 9:47:23 PM UTC+2, Joe Beanfish wrote:
>>> On 06/29/2012 12:44 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> > Question about umount and sync
>>> >
>>> > In the long ago past you could type 'sync' 3 times to make sure a
>>> > disk
>>> > was umounted..
>>> > Then later I used umount, and it returned when all data was written.
>>> >
>>> > But I notice on my new 16GB USB sticks that the busy light just keeps
>>> > flashing
>>> > for up to a minute after umount and sync have long returned.
>>> > So what is a reliable way to umount these things from for exmaple a
>>> > script,
>>> > and be sure before allowing the user to unplug such an USB stick?
>>> 
>>> umount has always been and still is the way to unmount. It will call
>>> sync then detach the filesystem from the OS in a safe way so there's
>>> no lost data. Sync just flushes the buffers. No amount of syncing does
>>> or ever did properly detach a filesystem from the OS. Pure luck kept
>>> you out of trouble using that technique.
>>> 
>>> The ongoing activity is probably the USB bus probing etc. Don't worry
>>> about that. Umount is definitive.
>> 
>> But this raises the question: what good is sync if it does not properly
>> flush filesystem-related data too?
>> What's the use for sync then?
>
>It does sync the data. But until unmounted the filesystem is still in use
>and may have more data and meta data written at any time. So depending on
>the filesystem type and timing you may get away with sync-and-yank but
>it's highly inappropriate. "Sync 3 times" was never appropriate even if
>some people did it before because they were too lazy to umount correctly.

'I've stopped using filesystems altogether,
and now just dd my data directly to the media,
be it stick, card, DVD-R or BR-R-25.
Do I still need sync before removing those media?
 

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Question about umount and sync Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2012-06-29 16:44 +0000
  Re: Question about umount and sync Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2012-06-29 15:47 -0400
    Re: Question about umount and sync Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2012-06-30 06:20 +0000
    Re: Question about umount and sync Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2012-06-30 13:16 +0100
      Re: Question about umount and sync Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2012-07-02 10:07 -0400
    Re: Question about umount and sync ameliusje@gmail.com - 2014-08-18 12:58 -0700
      Re: Question about umount and sync Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2014-08-19 13:29 +0000
        Re: Question about umount and sync Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2014-08-19 14:09 +0000
          Re: Question about umount and sync Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2014-08-21 13:22 +0000
            Re: Question about umount and sync Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2014-08-21 14:15 +0000

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