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Linux advocacy vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-23 23:42 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 19:55 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-09-28 09:38 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 07:23 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-04 18:55 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-10-05 14:50 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-11 23:18 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-09-23 20:57 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 01:09 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-09-23 21:26 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-24 03:04 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-09-24 14:20 +0100
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 12:00 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-25 03:37 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 23:53 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-25 04:25 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 01:08 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy % <present@qmail.net> - 2024-09-25 12:17 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-09-25 00:27 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 05:03 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 01:20 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 01:21 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy % <present@qmail.net> - 2024-09-25 11:59 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> - 2024-09-24 18:29 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 16:01 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-09-25 23:19 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-26 05:41 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-09-26 08:03 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-09-26 16:32 -0500
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 18:16 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 07:32 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-09-26 16:32 -0500
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 21:18 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 17:31 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 23:40 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 19:52 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-09-25 01:27 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 05:35 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 02:27 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-09-25 12:16 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 12:35 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 07:55 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-09-25 17:54 +0100
Re: Linux advocacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 19:03 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-09-25 16:37 -0500
Re: Linux advocacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-26 01:12 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 21:19 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 05:52 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 12:37 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 07:29 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-09-30 19:40 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-09-30 20:24 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 20:54 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-02 19:30 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-02 15:44 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-03 15:30 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-03 12:13 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-03 17:47 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-03 13:53 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 23:12 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-03 23:30 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 00:32 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 21:07 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-09-25 11:54 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 00:35 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-09-25 22:51 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-09-25 23:34 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 05:50 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-09-28 09:50 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 07:28 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-10-04 21:25 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-11 23:19 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 02:16 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 06:49 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 02:58 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 08:44 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 06:49 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-09-25 11:37 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-09-25 23:27 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 00:08 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-09-26 14:19 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 05:56 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-26 06:30 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 07:26 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-09-26 15:35 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 07:26 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-09-30 11:29 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 21:03 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-26 07:03 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-09-26 07:10 -0500
Re: Linux advocacy -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-09-26 15:59 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-09-26 16:39 -0500
Re: Linux advocacy RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 04:30 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 04:29 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-09-27 11:23 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-25 02:55 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 05:39 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-09-25 17:59 +0100
Re: Linux advocacy Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-09-28 09:45 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> - 2024-09-24 18:46 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-09-24 19:30 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-25 03:35 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 05:01 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 07:41 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-09-25 14:20 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy John McCue <jmccue@fuzzball.jmcunx.com> - 2024-09-30 11:38 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-30 12:09 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-09-30 19:40 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 01:52 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-10-01 13:45 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 23:17 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-03 23:30 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-09-30 09:12 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 23:17 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 03:55 +0000
OT: /dev/null (was: Re: Linux advocacy) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-10-04 04:16 +0000
Re: OT: /dev/null CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-04 08:32 -0400
Re: OT: /dev/null chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-10-04 16:44 -0500
Re: OT: /dev/null CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-05 07:01 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 07:06 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 07:17 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-04 08:30 -0400
Re: Linux advocacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 20:26 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:54 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-05 00:47 +0000
Re: Linux advocacy CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-05 07:02 -0400
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2024-09-23 23:42 +0000 |
| Subject | Linux advocacy |
| Message-ID | <llecmiFnttdU2@mid.individual.net> |
Seems like there isn't much Linux advocacy going on.[*] Maybe that's because, Linux just works, so much so that it's even a bit boring. Of course, there are those who look for trouble. I rather wouldn't say much about them... [*] Except Feeb, who is just there to make Linux advocates look bad. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.11.0 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G "Everyone hates me because I'm paranoid"
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-23 19:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ksv3fjlusbimoqvisq5dj3c0v9slk9iap1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #670608 |
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >Seems like there isn't much Linux advocacy going on.[*] > >Maybe that's because, Linux just works, so much so that >it's even a bit boring. My advocacy is pretty simple: there isn't another option. You have macOS and Windows, neither of which are worth shit, or you have pure Unix of some kind, and Linux is the leader in that. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 09:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <66f7ce79$0$3673$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #670613 |
Le 23-09-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit : > vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: > >>Seems like there isn't much Linux advocacy going on.[*] >> >>Maybe that's because, Linux just works, so much so that >>it's even a bit boring. > > My advocacy is pretty simple: there isn't another option. Redox, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, QubesOS and Hurd for example. OK, for Hurd it's not yet ready. It will be. Soon. I hear it since thirty years it's almost ready. So, one day it'll become true. Maybe. But if Redox is not yet fully ready, it's far younger. QubesOS, FreeBSD and OpenBSD are well proven ready. > You have macOS and Windows, neither of which are worth shit, or you > have pure Unix of some kind, and Linux is the leader in that. So, what? If the only choice is the leader, then the leader is Windows and the only choice. Your argument is plain wrong because you are using exactly what Windows users are using against Linux. You can't say the argument is good towards Linux and wrong toward Windows. You have to chose. And the only possibility is to refuse it. The only argument is to don't care about what others are doing or whose the leader is or whatever only followers unable to know what they want can use. You chose what suits you best. And Linux is not the only choice. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-30 07:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vddjm3$254hd$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #671512 |
On 28 Sep 2024 09:38:01 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > If the only choice is the leader, then the leader is Windows > and the only choice. Windows accounts for maybe only 25% of the computing market now. Most of the rest is Linux.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-10-04 18:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <dnfufj9e5mmt481a2mbr47vhoc71joa5ah@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #671512 |
Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote: >> My advocacy is pretty simple: there isn't another option. > >Redox, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, QubesOS and Hurd for example. OK, for Hurd it's >not yet ready. It will be. Soon. I hear it since thirty years it's >almost ready. So, one day it'll become true. Maybe. But if Redox is not >yet fully ready, it's far younger. QubesOS, FreeBSD and OpenBSD are well >proven ready. > >> You have macOS and Windows, neither of which are worth shit, or you >> have pure Unix of some kind, and Linux is the leader in that. > >So, what? If the only choice is the leader, then the leader is Windows >and the only choice. Your argument is plain wrong because you are using >exactly what Windows users are using against Linux. You can't say the >argument is good towards Linux and wrong toward Windows. You have to >chose. And the only possibility is to refuse it. > >The only argument is to don't care about what others are doing or whose >the leader is or whatever only followers unable to know what they want >can use. You chose what suits you best. And Linux is not the only >choice. I'm suggesting that BSD isn't really that distinct from Linux. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | DFS <nospam@dfs.com> |
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| Date | 2024-10-05 14:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vds1pm$pveo$15@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #672642 |
On 10/4/2024 6:55 PM, Joel wrote: > Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote: > >>> My advocacy is pretty simple: there isn't another option. >> >> Redox, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, QubesOS and Hurd for example. OK, for Hurd it's >> not yet ready. It will be. Soon. I hear it since thirty years it's >> almost ready. So, one day it'll become true. Maybe. But if Redox is not >> yet fully ready, it's far younger. QubesOS, FreeBSD and OpenBSD are well >> proven ready. >> >>> You have macOS and Windows, neither of which are worth shit, or you >>> have pure Unix of some kind, and Linux is the leader in that. >> >> So, what? If the only choice is the leader, then the leader is Windows >> and the only choice. Your argument is plain wrong because you are using >> exactly what Windows users are using against Linux. You can't say the >> argument is good towards Linux and wrong toward Windows. You have to >> chose. And the only possibility is to refuse it. >> >> The only argument is to don't care about what others are doing or whose >> the leader is or whatever only followers unable to know what they want >> can use. You chose what suits you best. And Linux is not the only >> choice. > > > I'm suggesting that BSD isn't really that distinct from Linux. The code base is hugely different, but to users I would expect they are very very similar. A fairly unbiased discussion here: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/explaining-bsd/ Section 4.7. Which should I use, BSD or Linux? is handy. BSD has a hugely better license I think. BSD doesn't have a point-click installer, as far as I know. It looks tedious to do a BSD install the first time.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-10-11 23:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vecbns$3r6ms$14@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #672642 |
On Fri, 04 Oct 2024 18:55:13 -0400, Joel wrote: > I'm suggesting that BSD isn't really that distinct from Linux. It’s distinct enough that they need to add a Linux-compatibility layer to try to get Linux binaries to run. To make it worse, the BSDs are about as distinct from each other as they are from Linux. This even though they cover a smaller range of uses.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-23 20:57 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vct2ov$2tnmf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #670608 |
On 9/23/24 7:42 PM, vallor wrote: > Seems like there isn't much Linux advocacy going on.[*] > > Maybe that's because, Linux just works, so much so that > it's even a bit boring. Indeed, it has done well as the convergence OS for digital appliances. Personally, I've just picked up some new home automation devices (product line is "YoLink") which probably have the Linux kernel inside. I'm planning on doing a factory reset to start fresh on one of the more complicated ones .. in talking with their tech support, it seems that there's a lot of extra goodies baked into the hardware device that's not reflected the same on their mobile App, which might be the source of my initial setup glitches. In any event, my preference is to drive its programming controls fully through the mobile App, and use the "push the buttons" programming on the device only if it doesn't behave as the documentation says its supposed to. In semi-related news, found that a recently arrived neighbor has some skills with Raspberry Pi, such as having reflashed his Wyze WiFi cameras to break them off of their network ($$) to run them locally. -hh
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-24 01:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vct3fu$2tic0$18@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #670627 |
On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 20:57:03 -0400, -hh wrote: > Personally, I've just picked up some new home automation devices > (product line is "YoLink") which probably have the Linux kernel inside. If they have Linux (or any other GPL code), then they are obliged to have contact details (e.g. links on a website) as to where you can get the source code. While I was looking up info on my TP-Link router, I was quite pleased to see they had a note on their website as to whom you could contact if you felt they were not living up to their GPL obligations.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-23 21:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vct4fv$2tpta$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #670629 |
On 9/23/24 9:09 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 20:57:03 -0400, -hh wrote: > >> Personally, I've just picked up some new home automation devices >> (product line is "YoLink") which probably have the Linux kernel inside. > > If they have Linux (or any other GPL code), then they are obliged to have > contact details (e.g. links on a website) as to where you can get the > source code. I really don't care all that much about what OS is in such appliances, but named what it was, so that the hardcore fanboys can go run & check. -hh
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2024-09-24 03:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lleoinFnttdU11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #670629 |
On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 01:09:18 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vct3fu$2tic0$18@dont-email.me>: > On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 20:57:03 -0400, -hh wrote: > >> Personally, I've just picked up some new home automation devices >> (product line is "YoLink") which probably have the Linux kernel inside. > > If they have Linux (or any other GPL code), then they are obliged to have > contact details (e.g. links on a website) as to where you can get the > source code. > > While I was looking up info on my TP-Link router, I was quite pleased to > see they had a note on their website as to whom you could contact if you > felt they were not living up to their GPL obligations. We have the "NAV" package in our Subaru Ascent, and in the menus it includes licenses -- including the GPL, for one of the libraries it uses (JPEG, iirc). -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.11.0 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G "The best way to keep friends is not to give them away."
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| From | snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) |
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| Date | 2024-09-24 14:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1r0e7hp.bb6yp5z6dhnaN%snipeco.2@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #670608 |
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: > Seems like there isn't much Linux advocacy going on.[*] > > Maybe that's because, Linux just works, > Yay! That's been true of Mac OS for many years; congrats to the Linux world for finally catching on. > > so much so that it's even a bit boring. > A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job, the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable. IMO 'puter hobbyists are mostly deviants. -- ^Ï^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS, Pro Crastinator My pet rock Gordon just is.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-24 12:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <3fo5fj5o8mikejjqaa1errs2ev4tff9078@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #670707 |
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote: >vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: > >> Seems like there isn't much Linux advocacy going on.[*] >> >> Maybe that's because, Linux just works, > >Yay! That's been true of Mac OS for many years; >congrats to the Linux world for finally catching on. Then go to CSMA and waste your breath praising that overpriced crapware. >> so much so that it's even a bit boring. > >A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job, >the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable. > >IMO 'puter hobbyists are mostly deviants. Retarded. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2024-09-25 03:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <llhersF66efU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #670755 |
On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 12:00:12 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in <3fo5fj5o8mikejjqaa1errs2ev4tff9078@4ax.com>: > snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote: >>vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >> >>> Seems like there isn't much Linux advocacy going on.[*] >>> >>> Maybe that's because, Linux just works, >> >>Yay! That's been true of Mac OS for many years; >>congrats to the Linux world for finally catching on. > > > Then go to CSMA and waste your breath praising that overpriced > crapware. > > >>> so much so that it's even a bit boring. >> >>A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job, >>the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable. >> >>IMO 'puter hobbyists are mostly deviants. > > > Retarded. Yes, you are. Sn!pe is proper. You might not agree with him all the time (I don't) but he's not a bad correspondent. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.11.0 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G "Death is natures way of telling you to slow down."
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-24 23:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <7527fjhc6dt08enohddah532ir489og0l8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #670892 |
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 12:00:12 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in ><3fo5fj5o8mikejjqaa1errs2ev4tff9078@4ax.com>: >> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote: >>>vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Seems like there isn't much Linux advocacy going on.[*] >>>> >>>> Maybe that's because, Linux just works, >>> >>>Yay! That's been true of Mac OS for many years; >>>congrats to the Linux world for finally catching on. >> >> Then go to CSMA and waste your breath praising that overpriced >> crapware. >> >>>> so much so that it's even a bit boring. >>> >>>A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job, >>>the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable. >>> >>>IMO 'puter hobbyists are mostly deviants. >> >> Retarded. > >Yes, you are. > >Sn!pe is proper. You might not agree with him all >the time (I don't) but he's not a bad correspondent. Oh shut the fuck up, white boy, you're the queerest piece of shit, defending the MacTard. Why are you running Linux, then, fool, go buy an iMac and an iPhone and an iWatch and iEveryFuckingThing, you retarded monkey-ass goofball. Fuck off. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2024-09-25 04:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <llhhmbF66efU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #670894 |
On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 23:53:17 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in <7527fjhc6dt08enohddah532ir489og0l8@4ax.com>: > vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >>On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 12:00:12 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in >><3fo5fj5o8mikejjqaa1errs2ev4tff9078@4ax.com>: >>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote: >>>>vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Seems like there isn't much Linux advocacy going on.[*] >>>>> >>>>> Maybe that's because, Linux just works, >>>> >>>>Yay! That's been true of Mac OS for many years; >>>>congrats to the Linux world for finally catching on. >>> >>> Then go to CSMA and waste your breath praising that overpriced >>> crapware. >>> >>>>> so much so that it's even a bit boring. >>>> >>>>A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job, >>>>the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable. >>>> >>>>IMO 'puter hobbyists are mostly deviants. >>> >>> Retarded. >> >>Yes, you are. >> >>Sn!pe is proper. You might not agree with him all >>the time (I don't) but he's not a bad correspondent. > > > Oh shut the fuck up, white boy, you're the queerest piece of shit, > defending the MacTard. Why are you running Linux, then, fool, go buy > an iMac and an iPhone and an iWatch and iEveryFuckingThing, you > retarded monkey-ass goofball. Fuck off. You on more drugs tonight? -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.11.0 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G "Bored? Drive the speed limit... in your garage."
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-25 01:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pa67fjt01h554tbevp0p7aioupu5nfvnnr@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #670896 |
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 23:53:17 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in ><7527fjhc6dt08enohddah532ir489og0l8@4ax.com>: >> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >>>On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 12:00:12 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in >>><3fo5fj5o8mikejjqaa1errs2ev4tff9078@4ax.com>: >>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote: >>>>> >>>>>A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job, >>>>>the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable. >>>>> >>>>>IMO 'puter hobbyists are mostly deviants. >>>> >>>> Retarded. >>> >>>Yes, you are. >>> >>>Sn!pe is proper. You might not agree with him all >>>the time (I don't) but he's not a bad correspondent. >> >> Oh shut the fuck up, white boy, you're the queerest piece of shit, >> defending the MacTard. Why are you running Linux, then, fool, go buy >> an iMac and an iPhone and an iWatch and iEveryFuckingThing, you >> retarded monkey-ass goofball. Fuck off. > >You on more drugs tonight? You not? I mean, shit, I was replying to someone who was talking crap to you, and you took the opportunity to attack me and defend them, just weird. And then when I flame you in response, you throw out the drug trope. Just sad, how Caucasians, who aren't real n----s (yes, we can be such, if we're not a dick), dwell in hell by default. It's why there's a theory of black supremacy, superficially it would seem backward, but in truth, blacks are God-like and whites are Satan-like. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | % <present@qmail.net> |
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| Date | 2024-09-25 12:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vd1d2h$32d1i$3@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #670902 |
Joel wrote: > blacks are God-like and whites are Satan-like. > > you are wigger like
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| From | DFS <nospam@dfs.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-25 00:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vd03f7$3if6g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #670894 |
On 9/24/2024 11:53 PM, Joel wrote: > vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >> Sn!pe is proper. You might not agree with him all >> the time (I don't) but he's not a bad correspondent. > > > Oh shut the fuck up, white boy, you're the queerest piece of shit, > defending the MacTard. Why are you running Linux, then, fool, go buy > an iMac and an iPhone and an iWatch and iEveryFuckingThing, you > retarded monkey-ass goofball. Fuck off. Joel's stumbling around drunk again.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-25 05:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <llhjs3F8ej2U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #670897 |
On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 00:27:20 -0400, DFS wrote: > On 9/24/2024 11:53 PM, Joel wrote: >> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: > >>> Sn!pe is proper. You might not agree with him all the time (I don't) >>> but he's not a bad correspondent. >> >> >> Oh shut the fuck up, white boy, you're the queerest piece of shit, >> defending the MacTard. Why are you running Linux, then, fool, go buy >> an iMac and an iPhone and an iWatch and iEveryFuckingThing, you >> retarded monkey-ass goofball. Fuck off. > > > Joel's stumbling around drunk again. That Full Throttle is mean stuff...
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