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#17669 — Linux user Google infringes patent in April 22 US ruling... all Linux users liable

From	RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com>
Date	2011-04-22 15:01 -0700
Subject	Linux user Google infringes patent in April 22 US ruling... all Linux users liable
Message-ID	<4edc49e4-4651-430e-a753-a3ee1fcbe59e@h9g2000pre.googlegroups.com>

Hahaha.  About time Linux freeloaders got the boot from hard working
patent holders.  Time to pay up, as wholes.

RL


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13168296

"The implication here is really that there is a huge number of Linux
users who will be required to pay royalties if this patent holder
knocks on their doors in the US. This is definitely a major impediment
to the growth of Linux and makes companies, including Google, that
rely on open source code particularly vulnerable to patent threats."

That is also the view of other industry watchers who expect a flood of
lawsuits against companies who rely on open source code.

"Those looking to cash in on buried patents need only spend time
pouring over code and looking for infringements," said Christopher
Dawson of technology blog ZDNet.

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#17689

From	JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet>
Date	2011-04-22 18:06 -0500
Message-ID	<slrnir42eu.2ed.jedi@nomad.mishnet>
In reply to	#17669

On 2011-04-22, RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hahaha.  About time Linux freeloaders got the boot from hard working
> patent holders.  Time to pay up, as wholes.

...you're next.

That's just how it goes when companies manage to get patents on the
blatantly obvious and then go venue shopping in East Texas.

-- 
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#17706

From	RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Date	2011-04-22 23:55 +0000
Message-ID	<iot4i7$o12$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#17689

On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:06:06 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:

> On 2011-04-22, RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hahaha.  About time Linux freeloaders got the boot from hard working
>> patent holders.  Time to pay up, as wholes.
> 
> ...you're next.
> 
> That's just how it goes when companies manage to get patents on the
> blatantly obvious and then go venue shopping in East Texas.

Wait a minute. Isn't RayLopez infringing on BigSteel's Stupidity Patent? 
Or have all the trolls agreed on a cross licensing agreement?

-- 
RonB
Registered Linux User #498581 
CentOS 5.6 or VectorLinux Deluxe 6.0

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#17704

From	anonymous <me@thisdesk.com>
Date	2011-04-22 18:51 -0500
Message-ID	<Ut2dnVA-MO32iS_QnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to	#17669

On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:01:28 -0700, RayLopez99 wrote:

> Hahaha.  About time Linux freeloaders got the boot from hard working
> patent holders.  Time to pay up, as wholes.
> 
> RL
> 
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13168296
> 
> "The implication here is really that there is a huge number of Linux
> users who will be required to pay royalties if this patent holder knocks
> on their doors in the US. This is definitely a major impediment to the
> growth of Linux and makes companies, including Google, that rely on open
> source code particularly vulnerable to patent threats."
> 
> That is also the view of other industry watchers who expect a flood of
> lawsuits against companies who rely on open source code.
> 
> "Those looking to cash in on buried patents need only spend time pouring
> over code and looking for infringements," said Christopher Dawson of
> technology blog ZDNet.

Especially if they file their lawsuit in the Eastern District of Texas, 
where there are judges known for being "willing" to fast-track patent 
cases in favor of the plaintiffs.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/idiotic-anti-linux-google-patent-
decision/8736

"All good patent trolls know that you sue in the U.S. Court for the 
Eastern District of Texas (EDTX). It’s known for its pro-patent judges 
that speed patent cases along their docket to the patent holders’ 
victory. That’s not just me and my anti-patent buddies speaking. No less 
a figure than Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia has described the EDTX 
as a “renegade jurisdiction.” It’s no wonder than that patent troll 
Bedrock chose the EDTX as its battlefield for its attack on Google, and a 
host of other companies, over a violation of its patent, which appears to 
be used in Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL)."

Google needs to appeal and this needs to be overturned.  And the EDTX 
judges need to be investigated.

"[The company also claims that their] crap patent, 'Methods and apparatus 
for information storage and retrieval using a hashing technique with 
external chaining and on-the-fly removal of expired data,' is violated by 
Red Hat in its Linux products.

Now, I hate all software patents, but even if I didn’t, this patent is 
garbage. As I read it, I think I violated it myself back in the 80s. I 
mean, just read it, it’s a description of how to use hashing with a 
linked list. Come on! That might not be programming 101, but it’s not far 
from it!"

Google might not have to appeal, though:

"Red Hat has sued Bedrock to get the patent revoked for numerous reasons. 
Among others, they point out that Linux, which dates to 1991, predates 
the 1997 patent; that no one has ever used the patent; and that in any 
case Bedrock has no claims to the patent. This case, however, has not 
been settled yet."

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#17783

From	RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com>
Date	2011-04-23 04:00 -0700
Message-ID	<8faa2b91-8219-43a8-89fe-0c3438e93b42@z37g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#17704

On Apr 23, 6:51 am, anonymous <m...@thisdesk.com> wrote:

>
> Google might not have to appeal, though:
>
> "Red Hat has sued Bedrock to get the patent revoked for numerous reasons.
> Among others, they point out that Linux, which dates to 1991, predates
> the 1997 patent; that no one has ever used the patent; and that in any
> case Bedrock has no claims to the patent. This case, however, has not
> been settled yet."

Like you say, even if the Texas district is run by a modern Roy Bean,
and is a kangaroo court, the defendants can always appeal, all the way
to the Supreme Court if they have to.  So we'll see how this plays
out. I have faith in the judicial system.  Remember how Unisys tried
to get royalties from everybody using .gif format images?  Same thing
here.  But as I recall the .gif patent was held valid, though it
expired before anybody paid much money.

You cannot really think that Linux is free of all patent claims can
you?  Something that begs, borrows and steals ideas and code from
others?  Linux is only useful as long as it remains under the radar
screen--and that would be 1% market share or less.  As soon as it
rises above that level, it gets Whac-A-Mole'd by the rightful patent
holders and vested interests (as well it should).

RL

http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/gif_now_finally_free

I am sure a lot of you remember the great “GIF fiasco”: more than a
decade ago, Unisys decided to make money out of the most used image
file format on the Internet: the GIF format. To be more precise,
Unisys announced that they would go after developers of programs able
to load and save GIF files (never mind the fact that even back then
there was plenty of free software which wouldn’t have been able to
pay).

To make the short story shorter, the PNG file was invented as a
reaction to Unisys’ move; although it was never wildly successful, PNG
did manage to make Unisys’s threat very much irrelevant. Unisys took
their time, but eventually realised that if they had seriously sued
people over the GIF patent, the days of the GIF format would be over.

In the pre-SCO era, people were outraged and wondered if Unisys’s CEO
had gone insane (to me, he just looked like he had a very, very low IQ
and a very big problem managing his company’s finance and marketing).
In our post-SCO era, we are just glad it didn’t sue IBM in the hope
that the Goliath company would get annoyed enough to buy out the moody
David.

Anyway, things went well: PNG was created, Unisys’ share price today
looks pitiful (karma, anybody?), and people still happily use GIF
files everywhere.
Dr. Jekyll

Not many people noticed that in just a few days the GIF format will
definitely be free - forever. The GNU web site has a page on the GIF
format. At the bottom of the page, you can see:

        We were able to search the patent databases of the USA,
Canada, Japan, and the European Union. The Unisys patent expired on 20
June 2003 in the USA, in Europe it expired on 18 June 2004, in Japan
the patent expired on 20 June 2004 and in Canada it expired on 7 July
2004. The U.S. IBM patent expired 11 August 2006, The Software Freedom
Law Center says that after 1 October 2006, there will be no
significant patent claims interfering with employment of the GIF
format..

The first of October 2006 is just about around the corner. So… well,
it looks like the nightmare is definitely, without any doubt, over. I
personally don’t think that IBM (the holder of the last GIF patent)
would ever sue anybody for using GIF, especially after investing
several billion dollars on GNU/Linux and showing their declared
friendliness towards free software (which would be directly affected
by a law suit). But you never know with patents.
Mr. Hyde

However, if you really think it’s over, and that you will never ever
have to worry about GIF ever again… well, let me tell you, you are
wrong. The nightmare is far from over. The nightmare is just about to
start. I shivered when I saw this page. To me, it was absolutely
devastating!

It says:

    Unisys Corporation holds and has patents pending on a number of
improvements on the inventions claimed in the above-expired patents.
Information on these improvement patents and terms under which they
may be licensed can be obtained by contacting the following: […].

Oh my… Unisys has been improving the GIF format, without telling
anybody what the improvements are! I honestly don’t think the world
can survive without those improvements. I am pretty sure Cheryl
Tartler, the person dealing with sending out those improvements is
swamped with requests and cannot send them out fast enough! In fact, I
am pretty confident that’s all she does all day long: sending Unisys’s
improvements to people once they’ve signed an NDA and paid their
licensing fees. I am pretty sure this will help be an immense help to
the downward trend of Unisys’ shares. Millions, billions will come!

Err… OK, just in case somebody at Unisys is listening: “Hello! I am
only joking!”. It may look obvious, but you never know…
Conclusion

Finally, after the first of October, the GIF format will be completely
free and nobody will ever be able to say otherwise - not even the most
obstinate free software advocate. This will hopefully stop people
complaining about us using GIF images here at Free Software Magazine
for our banner ads…

And yes, this is a hint!

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#17825

From	anonymous <me@thisdesk.com>
Date	2011-04-23 09:52 -0500
Message-ID	<YtidnR4EeNghei_QnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to	#17783

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 04:00:55 -0700, RayLopez99 wrote:

> You cannot really think that Linux is free of all patent claims can you?
>  Something that begs, borrows and steals ideas and code from others? 

What I think is that you have it backwards.  It's closed source companies 
who steal ideas and code from open source.  It would be impossible for 
open source developers to steal code from closed source, patent holding 
companies without anyone knowing.  No one in the OSS community would 
stand for such an act, anyway.  

Clean, efficient, original code is a point of pride among OSS 
developers.  After all, the code is open to the world.  It would be 
embarassing to have your name attached to poor, sloppy code, and 
*mortifying* if you stole it and the original developer happened across 
it and exposed you as a plagiarist.

The same can't be said for closed source, proprietary companies.  They 
just want to get the product out the door as soon as possible, and no one 
on the outside will see the source code, so the company isn't worried 
about how inefficient the code is or whether anyone will notice they 
stole it.  Just get it to where it looks pretty, doesn't crash, and seems 
to do what it's supposed to do, then box it up and ship it.

The truth is, though, that there's not a gigantic market for off the 
shelf consumer software any more.  Computer stores used to have large 
sections devoted to software, with aisles and aisles full of thousands of 
titles in dozens of categories.  Now it's mostly games, a few Microsoft 
boxes, and a small selection of utilities like Photoshop.

> Linux is only useful as long as it remains under the radar screen--and
> that would be 1% market share or less.  As soon as it rises above that
> level, it gets Whac-A-Mole'd by the rightful patent holders and vested
> interests (as well it should).

LOL.  You really are obvious, aren't you?

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#18072

From	RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com>
Date	2011-04-24 03:58 -0700
Message-ID	<09d1eee0-c11e-480e-afa2-444a9de8fac6@t16g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#17825

On Apr 23, 9:52 pm, anonymous <m...@thisdesk.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 04:00:55 -0700, RayLopez99 wrote:
> > You cannot really think that Linux is free of all patent claims can you?
> >  Something that begs, borrows and steals ideas and code from others?
>
> What I think is that you have it backwards.  It's closed source companies
> who steal ideas and code from open source.  It would be impossible for
> open source developers to steal code from closed source, patent holding
> companies without anyone knowing.  No one in the OSS community would
> stand for such an act, anyway.  

OK I concede that point on "steal".  You are talking copyright, and
indeed copyright is hard to infringe in open source.  But if anything,
patent infringement is more easy to prove with open source since the
code is 'out there' ready for inspection.  So Open Source undoubtedly
infringes more patents that Closed Source.

>
> Clean, efficient, original code is a point of pride among OSS

Pride precedes the fall:  a classic Greek tragedy motif.

>
> > Linux is only useful as long as it remains under the radar screen--and
> > that would be 1% market share or less.  As soon as it rises above that
> > level, it gets Whac-A-Mole'd by the rightful patent holders and vested
> > interests (as well it should).
>
> LOL.  You really are obvious, aren't you?

Yes--I've been fairly transparent on this board:  I tell people I
sometimes troll for fun (albeit making serious points, especially my
Serious Work claim about Linux, which is the unimpeachable truth), and
I am a Microsoft shareholder.  At one point, about 12 years ago, I was
fearful of Linux but that's no longer the case.

While I've been transparent, the Linux advocates on this board have
not been, with the exception of Hadron, who is a straight shooter.
What is your agenda, Linux (L)user?  Why do you wish that Microsoft
fail in order that your OS succeed?  Can't you live and let live?  You
a conspiracy nut?  You think that people driving on the right side of
the road in the USA, and the left side in the UK, is evidence of a
conspiracy to deny the people who want to drive on the wrong side of
the road the right to do so?  Sorry for such a complex thought and
play on words, I know it will confuse you.  My apologies in advance,
pinhead.

RL

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#17842

From	bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk>
Date	2011-04-23 17:12 +0100
Message-ID	<91gc32Fhf4U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#17783

On Saturday 23 April 2011 12:00 RayLopez99 wrote:

> You cannot really think that Linux is free of all patent claims can
> you?  Something that begs, borrows and steals ideas and code from
> others?  Linux is only useful as long as it remains under the radar
> screen--and that would be 1% market share or less.  As soon as it
> rises above that level, it gets Whac-A-Mole'd by the rightful patent
> holders and vested interests (as well it should).

Actually Ray, Linux has well over 90% "Market Share" - assuming that you are 
talking of instances of OSs being distributed.
This has been the case for a while.
Does that in any way change your argument?

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#18071

From	RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com>
Date	2011-04-24 03:49 -0700
Message-ID	<7983839a-d7c0-4435-a63f-ca71f3b3b549@dr5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#17842

On Apr 23, 11:12 pm, bbgruff <bbgr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Saturday 23 April 2011 12:00 RayLopez99 wrote:
>
> > You cannot really think that Linux is free of all patent claims can
> > you?  Something that begs, borrows and steals ideas and code from
> > others?  Linux is only useful as long as it remains under the radar
> > screen--and that would be 1% market share or less.  As soon as it
> > rises above that level, it gets Whac-A-Mole'd by the rightful patent
> > holders and vested interests (as well it should).
>
> Actually Ray, Linux has well over 90% "Market Share" - assuming that you are
> talking of instances of OSs being distributed.
> This has been the case for a while.
> Does that in any way change your argument?

Actually, the Germans won WWII if you are talking about the Germans
post-WWII, economically speaking, and you are taking about the number
of battles won by the Germans compared to the Russians, though the
Russians ended up winning the war by conventional definitions.

Spin noted.

RL

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#18125

From	flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com>
Date	2011-04-24 14:21 -0400
Message-ID	<1xr06mi961pv8.1klh9cm2pbcnb$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to	#18071

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 03:49:40 -0700 (PDT), RayLopez99 wrote:

> On Apr 23, 11:12 pm, bbgruff <bbgr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Saturday 23 April 2011 12:00 RayLopez99 wrote:
>>
>>> You cannot really think that Linux is free of all patent claims can
>>> you?  Something that begs, borrows and steals ideas and code from
>>> others?  Linux is only useful as long as it remains under the radar
>>> screen--and that would be 1% market share or less.  As soon as it
>>> rises above that level, it gets Whac-A-Mole'd by the rightful patent
>>> holders and vested interests (as well it should).
>>
>> Actually Ray, Linux has well over 90% "Market Share" - assuming that you are
>> talking of instances of OSs being distributed.
>> This has been the case for a while.
>> Does that in any way change your argument?
> 
> Actually, the Germans won WWII if you are talking about the Germans
> post-WWII, economically speaking, and you are taking about the number
> of battles won by the Germans compared to the Russians, though the
> Russians ended up winning the war by conventional definitions.
> 
> Spin noted.
> 
> RL

The German's could account for every single bullet fired.
They still lost the war.


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#18196

From	bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk>
Date	2011-04-24 23:48 +0100
Message-ID	<91jnmsFfpoU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#18071

On Sunday 24 April 2011 11:49 RayLopez99 wrote:

> On Apr 23, 11:12 pm, bbgruff <bbgr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Saturday 23 April 2011 12:00 RayLopez99 wrote:
>>
>> > You cannot really think that Linux is free of all patent claims can
>> > you?  Something that begs, borrows and steals ideas and code from
>> > others?  Linux is only useful as long as it remains under the radar
>> > screen--and that would be 1% market share or less.  As soon as it
>> > rises above that level, it gets Whac-A-Mole'd by the rightful patent
>> > holders and vested interests (as well it should).
>>
>> Actually Ray, Linux has well over 90% "Market Share" - assuming that you 
are
>> talking of instances of OSs being distributed.
>> This has been the case for a while.
>> Does that in any way change your argument?
> 
> Actually, the Germans won WWII if you are talking about the Germans
> post-WWII, economically speaking, and you are taking about the number
> of battles won by the Germans compared to the Russians, though the
> Russians ended up winning the war by conventional definitions.
> 
> Spin noted.

No, I wasn't talking about Germans, I wasn't talking about Russians, I 
wasn't talking about WWII, and I wasn't talking about my grandmother's dead 
parrot.

I was talking about Linux, and the fact that instances of Linux in the world 
now outnumber instances of Widows by about an order of magnitude.
Have you any comment to make on the subject, or would you prefer that I 
start a new thread for you re. my grandmother's dead parrot?

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#18199

From	William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net>
Date	2011-04-24 23:53 +0100
Message-ID	<h7me88-5tc.ln1@linuxnetwork.alpha.org>
In reply to	#18196

bbgruff wrote:

> On Sunday 24 April 2011 11:49 RayLopez99 wrote:
>
>> On Apr 23, 11:12 pm, bbgruff <bbgr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Saturday 23 April 2011 12:00 RayLopez99 wrote:
>>>
>>> > You cannot really think that Linux is free of all patent claims can
>>> > you?  Something that begs, borrows and steals ideas and code from
>>> > others?  Linux is only useful as long as it remains under the radar
>>> > screen--and that would be 1% market share or less.  As soon as it
>>> > rises above that level, it gets Whac-A-Mole'd by the rightful patent
>>> > holders and vested interests (as well it should).
>>>
>>> Actually Ray, Linux has well over 90% "Market Share" - assuming that you 
> are
>>> talking of instances of OSs being distributed.
>>> This has been the case for a while.
>>> Does that in any way change your argument?
>> 
>> Actually, the Germans won WWII if you are talking about the Germans
>> post-WWII, economically speaking, and you are taking about the number
>> of battles won by the Germans compared to the Russians, though the
>> Russians ended up winning the war by conventional definitions.
>> 
>> Spin noted.
>
> No, I wasn't talking about Germans, I wasn't talking about Russians, I 
> wasn't talking about WWII, and I wasn't talking about my grandmother's dead 
> parrot.
>
> I was talking about Linux, and the fact that instances of Linux in the world 
> now outnumber instances of Widows by about an order of magnitude.
> Have you any comment to make on the subject, or would you prefer that I 
> start a new thread for you re. my grandmother's dead parrot?

Was it a Norwegian Blue, by any chance? 

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#18200

From	Big Steel <Steel9901x22@9901x22Steel.com>
Date	2011-04-24 19:00 -0400
Message-ID	<1L-dnXtn9_EfNinQnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to	#18199

On 4/24/2011 6:53 PM, William Poaster wrote:
> bbgruff wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 24 April 2011 11:49 RayLopez99 wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 23, 11:12 pm, bbgruff<bbgr...@yahoo.co.uk>  wrote:
>>>> On Saturday 23 April 2011 12:00 RayLopez99 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You cannot really think that Linux is free of all patent claims can
>>>>> you?  Something that begs, borrows and steals ideas and code from
>>>>> others?  Linux is only useful as long as it remains under the radar
>>>>> screen--and that would be 1% market share or less.  As soon as it
>>>>> rises above that level, it gets Whac-A-Mole'd by the rightful patent
>>>>> holders and vested interests (as well it should).
>>>>
>>>> Actually Ray, Linux has well over 90% "Market Share" - assuming that you
>> are
>>>> talking of instances of OSs being distributed.
>>>> This has been the case for a while.
>>>> Does that in any way change your argument?
>>>
>>> Actually, the Germans won WWII if you are talking about the Germans
>>> post-WWII, economically speaking, and you are taking about the number
>>> of battles won by the Germans compared to the Russians, though the
>>> Russians ended up winning the war by conventional definitions.
>>>
>>> Spin noted.
>>
>> No, I wasn't talking about Germans, I wasn't talking about Russians, I
>> wasn't talking about WWII, and I wasn't talking about my grandmother's dead
>> parrot.
>>
>> I was talking about Linux, and the fact that instances of Linux in the world
>> now outnumber instances of Widows by about an order of magnitude.
>> Have you any comment to make on the subject, or would you prefer that I
>> start a new thread for you re. my grandmother's dead parrot?
>
> Was it a Norwegian Blue, by any chance?
>

Is this another butt kiss by chance?

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#18284

From	owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date	2011-04-25 08:42 +0000
Message-ID	<sn0pfae.67qf@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to	#18200

Big Steel <Steel9901x22@9901x22steel.com> wrote:
> On 4/24/2011 6:53 PM, William Poaster wrote:
>> bbgruff wrote:
>>
>>> Have you any comment to make on the subject, or would you prefer that I
>>> start a new thread for you re. my grandmother's dead parrot?
>>
>> Was it a Norwegian Blue, by any chance?
>>
> 
> Is this another butt kiss by chance?

LOL

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#18212

From	Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com>
Date	2011-04-24 19:39 -0400
Message-ID	<ip2ccr$fui$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#18199

William Poaster wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> bbgruff wrote:
>
>> I was talking about Linux, and the fact that instances of Linux in the world 
>> now outnumber instances of Widows by about an order of magnitude.
>> Have you any comment to make on the subject, or would you prefer that I 
>> start a new thread for you re. my grandmother's dead parrot?
>
> Was it a Norwegian Blue, by any chance? 

It's pining for the fjords!

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#18559

From	RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com>
Date	2011-04-25 15:49 -0700
Message-ID	<9a3a0ef8-c607-40da-b09d-2ccbdc7dca4b@t16g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#18196

On Apr 25, 1:48 am, bbgruff <bbgr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I was talking about Linux, and the fact that instances of Linux in the world
> now outnumber instances of Widows by about an order of magnitude.
> Have you any comment to make on the subject, or would you prefer that I
> start a new thread for you re. my grandmother's dead parrot?

Don't be silly.  We are not taking embedded objects--since probably
Simbian OS (C language) is more popular than even Linux.  In the
desktop, Linux has less than 1% share.

And the Germans lost.  Sorry about that bbgruff, you and Peter
Kohlmann can cry in your beer.

Linux lost too.

RL

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#18580

From	-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date	2011-04-25 18:02 -0700
Message-ID	<359f09f9-452a-47a1-a45c-7feaae502538@q30g2000vbs.googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#18559

On Apr 25, 6:49 pm, RayLopez99 <raylope...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 1:48 am, bbgruff <bbgr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I was talking about Linux, and the fact that instances of Linux in the world
> > now outnumber instances of Widows by about an order of magnitude.
> > Have you any comment to make on the subject, or would you prefer that I
> > start a new thread for you re. my grandmother's dead parrot?
>
> Don't be silly.  We are not taking embedded objects--since probably
> Simbian OS (C language) is more popular than even Linux.  In the
> desktop, Linux has less than 1% share.

Never fear, he will be back to defend his "honor" with some different
definition, even though it will also be pedantically correct yet
utterly irrelevant.


> And the Germans lost.  Sorry about that bbgruff, you and Peter
> Kohlmann can cry in your beer.

Particularly since the Belgians brew tastier beer.  :-)


> Linux lost too.

At least on the desktop.


-hh

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#17811

From	7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com>
Date	2011-04-23 15:14 +0100
Message-ID	<49Bsp.41532$0j7.1236@newsfe20.ams2>
In reply to	#17669

RayLopez99 wrote:

> Hahaha.  About time Linux freeloaders got the boot from hard working
> patent holders.  Time to pay up, as wholes.
> 
> RL
> 
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13168296
> 
> "The implication here is really that there is a huge number of Linux
> users who will be required to pay royalties if this patent holder
> knocks on their doors in the US.

Software patent trolls as those warned about by Richard Stallman especially
the kind that gets hear in Texas troll courts are illegal outside 
of the US in most countries. So most uses of Linux are not liable.

Even more reasons to be even more skeptical of dubious
software patents.

RHAT is wading in - its probably something they wrote that got
rebadged and re-patented by a patent troll.

> This is definitely a major impediment
> to the growth of Linux and makes companies, including Google, 

The texas patent troll court never proved google is guilty. Instead the 
troll court in texas decided google can't show they are not guilty so they
must be guilty. WoW! Its another SCO$ is disquise.

> that
> rely on open source code particularly vulnerable to patent threats."
> 
> That is also the view of other industry watchers who expect a flood of
> lawsuits against companies who rely on open source code.
> 
> "Those looking to cash in on buried patents need only spend time
> pouring over code and looking for infringements," said Christopher
> Dawson of technology blog ZDNet.

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#17966

From	DFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date	2011-04-23 18:57 -0400
Message-ID	<iovlgq$nj$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#17669

On 4/22/2011 6:01 PM, RayLopez99 wrote:
> Hahaha.  About time Linux freeloaders got the boot from hard working
> patent holders.  Time to pay up, as wholes.
>
> RL
>
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13168296
>
> "The implication here is really that there is a huge number of Linux
> users who will be required to pay royalties if this patent holder
> knocks on their doors in the US. This is definitely a major impediment
> to the growth of Linux and makes companies, including Google, that
> rely on open source code particularly vulnerable to patent threats."
>
> That is also the view of other industry watchers who expect a flood of
> lawsuits against companies who rely on open source code.
>
> "Those looking to cash in on buried patents need only spend time
> pouring over code and looking for infringements," said Christopher
> Dawson of technology blog ZDNet.


How long before some Linux scum fabricates a claim that plaintiff 
Bedrock Computer Technologies is a Microsoft puppet?

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#17999

From	flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com>
Date	2011-04-23 22:29 -0400
Message-ID	<1tj4kkrqu46pk.1taim2yx1gp3n.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to	#17966

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 18:57:31 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 4/22/2011 6:01 PM, RayLopez99 wrote:
>> Hahaha.  About time Linux freeloaders got the boot from hard working
>> patent holders.  Time to pay up, as wholes.
>>
>> RL
>>
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13168296
>>
>> "The implication here is really that there is a huge number of Linux
>> users who will be required to pay royalties if this patent holder
>> knocks on their doors in the US. This is definitely a major impediment
>> to the growth of Linux and makes companies, including Google, that
>> rely on open source code particularly vulnerable to patent threats."
>>
>> That is also the view of other industry watchers who expect a flood of
>> lawsuits against companies who rely on open source code.
>>
>> "Those looking to cash in on buried patents need only spend time
>> pouring over code and looking for infringements," said Christopher
>> Dawson of technology blog ZDNet.
> 
> 
> How long before some Linux scum fabricates a claim that plaintiff 
> Bedrock Computer Technologies is a Microsoft puppet?

Already been done....


Slimeowitz is right on top of it!

http://techrights.org/2011/04/22/bedrock-intellectual-ventures-and-linux/





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