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Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency.

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  Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Clog_-_wog (®) <clog_-_wog@anonimous.eu> - 2011-06-14 15:52 +0200
    Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchmail.com> - 2011-06-14 10:08 -0400
      Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-06-14 16:26 +0100
        Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2011-06-14 10:31 -0500
          Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. "Feudo Maccari" <feudo@invalid.com> - 2011-06-14 11:36 -0400
        Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchmail.com> - 2011-06-14 11:54 -0400
          Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2011-06-14 11:58 -0500
            Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. "Feudo Maccari" <feudo@invalid.com> - 2011-06-14 13:01 -0400
              Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Big Steel <Steel9901x22@9901x22Steel.com> - 2011-06-14 13:04 -0400
              Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Goblin <bytes4free@googlemail.com> - 2011-06-14 18:04 +0100
            Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2011-06-14 14:34 -0400
            Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Marti Van Lin <ml2mst@dontevenbother.invalid> - 2011-06-15 07:02 +0200
              Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Chris <chrisdhaag@googlemail.com> - 2011-06-15 08:57 +0000
                Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Marti Van Lin <ml2mst@dontevenbother.invalid> - 2011-06-15 13:04 +0200
                  Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2011-06-15 13:50 +0200
                    Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. "Clogwog" <clogwog@anon.eu> - 2011-06-15 16:15 +0200
                    Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. An Old Friend <an.old@friend.com.invalid> - 2011-06-15 17:35 +0100
                      Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2011-06-15 21:47 +0200
                        Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. An Old Friend <an.old@friend.com.invalid> - 2011-06-15 23:22 +0100
                          Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global   vaccine agency. ddt <ddt@invalid.test> - 2011-06-15 16:42 -0600
                            Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global   vaccine agency. Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory@netscape.net> - 2011-06-16 00:05 +0000
                              Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global   vaccine agency. William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2011-06-16 10:28 +0100
                              Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global   vaccine agency. Marti Van Lin <ml2mst@dontevenbother.invalid> - 2011-06-16 14:06 +0200
                                Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global   vaccine agency. Clog_-_wog (®) <clog_-_wog@anonimous.eu> - 2011-06-16 23:05 +0200
                            Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global   vaccine agency. An Old Friend <an.old@friend.com.invalid> - 2011-06-16 03:26 +0100
                              Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-16 00:28 -0700
                                Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. An Old Friend <an.old@friend.com.invalid> - 2011-06-16 14:52 +0100
                                  Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-16 13:17 -0700
                                    Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. An Old Friend <an.old@friend.com.invalid> - 2011-06-17 02:13 +0100
                                  Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Marti Van Lin <ml2mst@dontevenbother.invalid> - 2011-06-16 23:36 +0200
                Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global   vaccine agency. Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> - 2011-06-16 16:53 +1000
                  Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global   vaccine agency. Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory@netscape.net> - 2011-06-16 08:57 +0000
                    Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-16 13:12 -0700
              Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2011-06-15 10:41 -0400
      Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> - 2011-06-14 13:19 -0400
        Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Goblin <bytes4free@googlemail.com> - 2011-06-14 18:23 +0100
        Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2011-06-14 19:26 +0200
          Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> - 2011-06-14 13:44 -0400
    Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2011-06-14 17:18 +0100
      Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Clog_-_wog (®) <clog_-_wog@anonimous.eu> - 2011-06-14 18:31 +0200
      Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Robin T Cox <nomail@nomail.net> - 2011-06-14 11:35 -0500
        Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. JeffM <jeffm_@email.com> - 2011-06-14 10:54 -0700
          Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> - 2011-06-14 13:57 -0400
          Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchmail.com> - 2011-06-14 14:10 -0400
    Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-14 10:38 -0700
      Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> - 2011-06-14 13:45 -0400
        Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Goblin <bytes4free@googlemail.com> - 2011-06-14 18:50 +0100
    Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. FEMA Inmate 520-11-1067R <send.help@FEMA.trailers.invalid> - 2011-06-14 12:06 -0700
      Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-06-14 22:07 +0100
    Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Ian Hilliard <nospam@nowhere> - 2011-06-14 22:36 +0200
      Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Kari Laine <karitlaine@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-15 18:57 +0300
    Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation calls eugenics "vaccination" Homer <usenet@slated.org> - 2011-06-15 04:42 +0100
    Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. Kari Laine <karitlaine@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-15 12:21 +0300
      Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2011-06-15 10:44 +0100
        Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2011-06-15 10:38 -0400

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#33240 — Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency.

FromGregory Shearman <ZekeGregory@netscape.net>
Date2011-06-16 00:05 +0000
SubjectRe: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency.
Message-ID<slrnivii5v.51e.ZekeGregory@netscape.net>
In reply to#33215
On 2011-06-15, ddt <ddt@invalid.test> wrote:
> An Old Friend wrote:
>
> >
> > In other words, if Marti
>
>
> Smarti lied about Roy Culley and a "malicious" link to Google Groups in 
> the same thread.
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/
> msg/0909e4aca5b333ec?hl=en&dmode=source&output=gplain
>
>
> Why do you feel the need to defend proven homosexual liars such as smarti?

Listen to Flatty the Homophobe. Why is it necessary to bring sexual
preference into the discussion?

You must really hate yourself, Flatty.

-- 
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

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#33273 — Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency.

FromWilliam Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net>
Date2011-06-16 10:28 +0100
SubjectRe: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency.
Message-ID<gvuoc8-99a.ln1@linuxnetwork.alpha.org>
In reply to#33240
In reply to Gregory Shearman who posted:

> On 2011-06-15, ddt <ddt@invalid.test> wrote:
>> An Old Friend wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > In other words, if Marti
>>
>>
>> Smarti lied about Roy Culley and a "malicious" link to Google Groups in 
>> the same thread.
>>
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/
>> msg/0909e4aca5b333ec?hl=en&dmode=source&output=gplain
>>
>>
>> Why do you feel the need to defend proven homosexual liars such as smarti?
>
> Listen to Flatty the Homophobe. Why is it necessary to bring sexual
> preference into the discussion?
>
> You must really hate yourself, Flatty.

Flatfarce nymshifted again, huh. What a surprise.

-- 
XPN :: http://xpn.altervista.org
"Microsoft has vast resources, literally billions of dollars in cash, or liquid assets reserves. 
Microsoft is an incredibly successful empire built on the premise of market dominance with low-quality goods." 
-- Former White House adviser Richard A. Clarke --

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#33284 — Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency.

FromMarti Van Lin <ml2mst@dontevenbother.invalid>
Date2011-06-16 14:06 +0200
SubjectRe: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency.
Message-ID<itcrkc$ae0$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#33240
On 16-06-11 02:05, Gregory Shearman wrote:

> On 2011-06-15, ddt<ddt@invalid.test>  wrote:
>> An Old Friend wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In other words, if Marti
>>
>>
>> Smarti lied about Roy Culley and a "malicious" link to Google Groups in
>> the same thread.

For the umpteenth time: Mr. Culley quit posting in COLA, before I 
started posting. I only know the name of Mr. Culley, because he is 
credited in the COLA-stats script, the FAQ and Primer and because 
Flatfish is all of a sudden obsessed with him again.

I started posting in COLA around 2005/2006 IIRC, that's after Mr. 
Culley's presence AFAICT.

>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/
>> msg/0909e4aca5b333ec?hl=en&dmode=source&output=gplain

Clogwog's link gave me a SSL certificate warning in Firefox. Beside that 
Clogwog posted a very nasty /DISGUSTING/ gay-hardcore-porn link some 
time ago, there for I became very careful of clicking Clogwog's links. 
This is a GNU/Linux advocacy group and I don't want to be confronted 
with Clogwog's vulgar hardcore porn trash.

>> Why do you feel the need to defend proven homosexual liars such as smarti?

You are publicly seeding Hate and are openly propagating homophobia.

> Listen to Flatty the Homophobe. Why is it necessary to bring sexual
> preference into the discussion?
>
> You must really hate yourself, Flatty.

MODEMBALZZ :-)

-- 
|_|0|_| Marti T. van Lin, alias ML2MST
|_|_|0| Registered GNU/Linux user 513040
|0|0|0| http://www.soundclick.com/martivanlin

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#33362 — Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency.

FromClog_-_wog (®) <clog_-_wog@anonimous.eu>
Date2011-06-16 23:05 +0200
SubjectRe: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency.
Message-ID<itdr6g$nhh$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#33284
"Marti Van Lin" <ml2mst@dontevenbother.invalid> schreef in bericht 
news:itcrkc$ae0$1@news.albasani.net...
> On 16-06-11 02:05, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>
>> On 2011-06-15, ddt<ddt@invalid.test>  wrote:
>>> An Old Friend wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In other words, if Marti
>>>
>>>
>>> Smarti lied about Roy Culley and a "malicious" link to Google Groups in
>>> the same thread.
>
> For the umpteenth time: Mr. Culley quit posting in COLA, before I started 
> posting. I only know the name of Mr. Culley, because he is credited in the 
> COLA-stats script, the FAQ and Primer and because Flatfish is all of a 
> sudden obsessed with him again.
>
> I started posting in COLA around 2005/2006 IIRC, that's after Mr. Culley's 
> presence AFAICT.
>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/
>>> msg/0909e4aca5b333ec?hl=en&dmode=source&output=gplain
>
> Clogwog posted a very nasty DISGUSTING gay-hardcore-porn link some time 
> ago

DISGUSTING, huh? lol ! chew this one then, it comes from *your* twitter 
account, it's about fscking someone up the ass (as always)!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Vgy-Kli3Y&feature=youtu.be&a

Marti vulgarity on Twitter:
"Ik slik vanavond maar weer een kwak sperma, dat is ook een foute 
delicatesse, maar wel een stuk minder sadistisch" :-p
"I swallow a dollop sperm again tonight, that's a false delicacy, but a lot 
less sadistic" :-p
http://twitter.com/#!/ml2mst 

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#33249 — Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency.

FromAn Old Friend <an.old@friend.com.invalid>
Date2011-06-16 03:26 +0100
SubjectRe: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency.
Message-ID<4df95bac$1@news.x-privat.org>
In reply to#33215
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:42:45 -0600, ddt chiseled
95sqr5F8bdU1@mid.individual.net in stone using Trajan:

> An Old Friend wrote:
> 
> 
>  > In other words, if Marti
> 
> 
> Smarti lied about Roy Culley and a "malicious" link to Google Groups in
> the same thread.
> 
> 
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/
> msg/0909e4aca5b333ec?hl=en&dmode=source&output=gplain
> 
> 
> Why do you feel the need to defend proven homosexual liars such as
> smarti?

I just wanted clarification regarding Hadron's post. 

He's made it quite clear that he just felt like calling Marti an idiot 
because he felt like it and the fact that the comment was made right after 
a post from Marti that had a fair number of links supporting it 
(regardless of any of Marti's previous posts that may or may not have been 
supported) was just coincidence. Furthermore, Hadron apparently 
specifically reserves the right to agree with Marti on the topic of Bill 
Gates and overpopulation solutions, since Hadron's reply to me appeared to 
indicate that he didn't call him an idiot as a direct response to Marti's 
post and links.

It seemed at first that Hadron was in full support of Bill Gates' view of 
overpopulation and eugenics, given the strong and concise wording of 
Hadron's insult to Marti. Hadron seems to have cleared that up by implying 
that the insult was something of which he had an uncontrollable urge to 
post and had nothing at all to do with the topic. He just had a compulsive 
desire to insult Marti, and had to say it since he apparently has 
difficulty with controlling his impulsive condescension. And if that's the 
case, those facts satisfy my questions of clarification.

It's quite fallacious to state that my questions to Hadron asking for 
clarification of his response to Marti regarding the posted topic (Bill 
Gates, population control, and eugenics) are equivalent to a blanket 
endorsement of everything Marti has ever posted (which your comment 
appears to attempt to make), and it puzzles me why you would even try to 
make such a false connection.

Also, my statement above should not be construed to mean a blanket 
rejection of everything Marti has ever posted, either. As is the case with 
most posters here, I agree with some of what is said by others, and I 
disagree with some of what is said by others.

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#33261

FromRayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com>
Date2011-06-16 00:28 -0700
Message-ID<1a06d1da-c855-4788-a0d3-52dc62339862@y2g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#33249
On Jun 16, 5:26 am, An Old Friend <an....@friend.com.invalid> wrote:

[Soap opera deleted]
>
> Also, my statement above should not be construed to mean a blanket
> rejection of everything Marti has ever posted, either. As is the case with
> most posters here, I agree with some of what is said by others, and I
> disagree with some of what is said by others.

That's some pretty slick fine tooth combing there Old Friend.  You
expect anybody outside yourself to understand such nuances?

You like challenges I see.  Explains your choice of OS: Linux.

Why not forget the soap opera and go with something easy to install
and use, like Windows?  Unless you enjoy working on your PC to keep it
running, aka hobbyware, aka Linux.

RL

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#33289

FromAn Old Friend <an.old@friend.com.invalid>
Date2011-06-16 14:52 +0100
Message-ID<4df9fc93@news.x-privat.org>
In reply to#33261
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 00:28:23 -0700, RayLopez99 chiseled
1a06d1da-c855-4788-a0d3-52dc62339862@y2g2000yqk.googlegroups.com in stone
using Trajan:

> On Jun 16, 5:26 am, An Old Friend <an....@friend.com.invalid> wrote:
> 
> [Soap opera deleted]
>>
>> Also, my statement above should not be construed to mean a blanket
>> rejection of everything Marti has ever posted, either. As is the case
>> with most posters here, I agree with some of what is said by others,
>> and I disagree with some of what is said by others.
> 
> That's some pretty slick fine tooth combing there Old Friend.  You
> expect anybody outside yourself to understand such nuances?

Anti-Linux advocates will tend to spin whatever I say in the most negative 
view possible. Thus I make attempts to insure that what I say is taken in 
the way I intended to communicate it. It is not always successful, but I 
find that making the attempts decreases the chance that someone will spin 
my comments the wrong way and simply criticize how verbose the posts are.

> 
> You like challenges I see.  Explains your choice of OS: Linux.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I introduce to you RayLopez, Master goal-post-moving 
foreman.

Lubuntu has never been a challenge for me. It, and the applications that 
run on it, fulfill every computing function I require.

> Why not forget the soap opera 

The original topic was BMGF donating to a vaccine agency, which raised 
concerns about Bill Gates and his views on overpopulation and eugenics.

If you agree with Gates' views (as shown in some of the links Marti posted 
as evidence), that is your choice and decision.

> and go with something easy to install and
> use, like Windows?  Unless you enjoy working on your PC to keep it
> running, aka hobbyware, aka Linux.

I find Lubuntu easier to use than Windows. If I am ever forced to use 
Windows at the college, I would do so, and I trust that I would still be 
effective and productive. But if I am already using Lubuntu on my personal 
netbook and being productive, and if the college has no issue with me 
using the software I'm using to perform the duties of my job, why should I 
change to a product that has no discernible advantages for me and at least 
two major disadvantages?

Are my students going to absorb the material from a presentation better 
merely because it was completed in Powerpoint instead of Impress? Will my 
students have higher scores on their tests only because I type the tests 
out in Word instead of Writer? Are they going to appreciate the music 
better simply because it's being played in Windows Media Player instead of 
VLC? I highly doubt it.

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#33346

FromRayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com>
Date2011-06-16 13:17 -0700
Message-ID<18edb36d-7861-4059-ae12-f91285e8d6bf@k6g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#33289
On Jun 16, 4:52 pm, An Old Friend <an....@friend.com.invalid> wrote:

>
> Are my students going to absorb the material from a presentation better
> merely because it was completed in Powerpoint instead of Impress?

Yes.  They can electronically load Powerpoint instead of relying on a
crummy overhead projector.  With Impress who knows what import
problems they'll have?

>  Will my
> students have higher scores on their tests only because I type the tests
> out in Word instead of Writer?

Again, yes.  They can share Word collaboratively for one thing, not to
mention avoiding having to kill trees as now happens by printing out
stuff from Writer.

> Are they going to appreciate the music
> better simply because it's being played in Windows Media Player instead of
> VLC? I highly doubt it.

That would be hell yes.  Media Player is world class, and even I know
that, and I'm not into music.

Time to face the music Old Friend.  Seems technology has passed you
by, or you're a man ahead of his time--whose time has come and gone.
And that time was 1999, the heyday of Linux.

RL

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#33411

FromAn Old Friend <an.old@friend.com.invalid>
Date2011-06-17 02:13 +0100
Message-ID<4dfa9c28$1@news.x-privat.org>
In reply to#33346
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:17:25 -0700, RayLopez99 chiseled
18edb36d-7861-4059-ae12-f91285e8d6bf@k6g2000yqc.googlegroups.com in stone
using Trajan:

> On Jun 16, 4:52 pm, An Old Friend <an....@friend.com.invalid> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Are my students going to absorb the material from a presentation better
>> merely because it was completed in Powerpoint instead of Impress?
> 
> Yes.  They can electronically load Powerpoint instead of relying on a
> crummy overhead projector.  With Impress who knows what import problems
> they'll have?

None, because they're provided with .pdf files of the text (online or 
offline) if they ask. In class, my presentations are filled with music and 
video examples, and Impress has no problems with any of my media files. 
The students have a data DVD that includes all of the music they listen to 
in class and additional music that they are required to listen to.

For students who are unable to access the DVD because of older equipment 
(no DVD readers, for example), I provide audio CDs of the music and data 
CDs of the videos. While I haven't been asked yet, I would gladly create 
video DVDs of the movies and music videos for people to play on their DVD 
players if it were necessary for them to access the material.

See, I don't FORCE my students to use any one particular solution, 
although I know for a fact that VLC plays everything I require my students 
to watch and to listen to.

You would prefer that I require my students to all use one proprietary 
solution. That is completely unacceptable to me. I prefer to give my 
students as many options as is practical.

>>  Will my
>> students have higher scores on their tests only because I type the
>> tests out in Word instead of Writer?
> 
> Again, yes.  They can share Word collaboratively for one thing, not to
> mention avoiding having to kill trees as now happens by printing out
> stuff from Writer.

You mean they have more opportunities to cheat by sharing answers online? 
No, thanks. I prefer printing my exams (3 different ones given randomly to 
the students so they can't easily copy from someone else) on post-consumer 
recycled paper, except for the one exam which is done in a game show 
format (in essence, a different oral exam given individually to each 
student in front of the entire class), in which I use an Impress 
presentation to great effect.

I'd be interested to see the carbon footprint of an interactive test being 
given on a computer (which would have to include at the very least the 
electricity usage of the server computer, the client computer, and the 
network intermediaries, along with the computer time necessary for the 
teacher to grade, comment, and record progress) versus 21 sheets of post-
consumer recycled paper printed out and the exams being taken without 
access to a computer.

In any case, you recommend a solution that INCREASES the possibility that 
students would cheat, and that is ABSOLUTELY unacceptable. 

>> Are they going to appreciate the music better simply because it's being
>> played in Windows Media Player instead of VLC? I highly doubt it.
> 
> That would be hell yes.  Media Player is world class, and even I know
> that, and I'm not into music.

So you are claiming that the same exact .flac music file (one of the 
better codecs, since the compression is lossless) or the same exact .wav 
file will sound *better* played in WMP than in VLC? Can you support that 
claim with scientific evidence?

In my brief experience with WMP, it is an *extremely* limited player with 
horrible codec support. I'd recommend students use QuickTime Player long 
before I would recommend WMP.

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#33380

FromMarti Van Lin <ml2mst@dontevenbother.invalid>
Date2011-06-16 23:36 +0200
Message-ID<itdt0p$mj4$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#33289
On 16-06-11 15:52, An Old Friend wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 00:28:23 -0700, RayLopez99 chiseled
> 1a06d1da-c855-4788-a0d3-52dc62339862@y2g2000yqk.googlegroups.com in stone
> using Trajan:
>
>> On Jun 16, 5:26 am, An Old Friend<an....@friend.com.invalid>  wrote:
>>
>> [Soap opera deleted]
>>>
>>> Also, my statement above should not be construed to mean a blanket
>>> rejection of everything Marti has ever posted, either. As is the case
>>> with most posters here, I agree with some of what is said by others,
>>> and I disagree with some of what is said by others.
>>
>> That's some pretty slick fine tooth combing there Old Friend.  You
>> expect anybody outside yourself to understand such nuances?
>
> Anti-Linux advocates will tend to spin whatever I say in the most negative
> view possible. Thus I make attempts to insure that what I say is taken in
> the way I intended to communicate it. It is not always successful, but I
> find that making the attempts decreases the chance that someone will spin
> my comments the wrong way and simply criticize how verbose the posts are.

All Winvocates in this group are spin-meisters, they'll spin everything 
to fit their dirty agenda.

If you can't attack the message, all you can do is attack the messenger.

>> You like challenges I see.  Explains your choice of OS: Linux.
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen, I introduce to you RayLopez, Master goal-post-moving
> foreman.
>
> Lubuntu has never been a challenge for me. It, and the applications that
> run on it, fulfill every computing function I require.

Lubuntu's benefits are that it is lightweight. Runs flawlessly on a 10 
years old Athlon/Pentium 4, 1.x Ghz CPU, 512 MiB RAM and a legacy Nvidia 
Gefroce 2 (64 MiB VRAM) (or comparable AMD/ATi) GPU.

In contrast to Gnome (and some extend KDE4) ex-Windows users will feel 
right "at home" in LXDE. It looks and feels like Windows 9x, yet with 
some Vista like eye candy.

The rest of its benefits are obvious: Secure, stable, reliable, 
fantastic package management system and great, friendly and fast support 
via Ubuntu Forums.

>> Why not forget the soap opera
>
> The original topic was BMGF donating to a vaccine agency, which raised
> concerns about Bill Gates and his views on overpopulation and eugenics.

I am worried, because there is no such thing as "overpopulation", which 
is completely ridiculous and /evil/ IMO.

Should we give a criminal and racketeer like Bill Gates, the power to 
"play GOD" and decide who is going to live and who is going to die?

> If you agree with Gates' views (as shown in some of the links Marti posted
> as evidence), that is your choice and decision.
>
>> and go with something easy to install and
>> use, like Windows?  Unless you enjoy working on your PC to keep it
>> running, aka hobbyware, aka Linux.
>
> I find Lubuntu easier to use than Windows. If I am ever forced to use
> Windows at the college, I would do so, and I trust that I would still be
> effective and productive. But if I am already using Lubuntu on my personal
> netbook and being productive, and if the college has no issue with me
> using the software I'm using to perform the duties of my job, why should I
> change to a product that has no discernible advantages for me and at least
> two major disadvantages?
>
> Are my students going to absorb the material from a presentation better
> merely because it was completed in Powerpoint instead of Impress? Will my
> students have higher scores on their tests only because I type the tests
> out in Word instead of Writer? Are they going to appreciate the music
> better simply because it's being played in Windows Media Player instead of
> VLC? I highly doubt it.

Oh well, RayLopez probably doesn't consider educating your students 
"Serous Work, Seriously".

With kind regards,

-- 
|_|0|_| Marti T. van Lin, alias ML2MST
|_|_|0| Registered GNU/Linux user 513040
|0|0|0| http://www.soundclick.com/martivanlin

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#33257 — Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency.

FromRon House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au>
Date2011-06-16 16:53 +1000
SubjectRe: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency.
Message-ID<4DF9A857.8030204@smartchat.net.au>
In reply to#33059
On 15/06/11 18:57, Chris wrote:
> Am Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:02:32 +0200 schrieb Marti Van Lin:
>
>> http://www.infowars.com/bill-gates-use-vaccines-to-lower-population/
>
> m(
>
> You really believe that?

Well he's a climate loon who claims a small change in a trace gas that 
has been 20 times today's level while life thrived, will cause a 
planetary catastrophe, and he ran a convicted monopoly and boasted of 
trying to drive others out of business, so I don't know what part of the 
stupidity or immorality of this is so unbelievable.

-- 
Ron House
Building Peace: http://peacelegacy.org
Australian Birds: http://wingedhearts.org
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#33267 — Re: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency.

FromGregory Shearman <ZekeGregory@netscape.net>
Date2011-06-16 08:57 +0000
SubjectRe: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $1 billion to global vaccine agency.
Message-ID<slrnivjhb6.51e.ZekeGregory@netscape.net>
In reply to#33257
On 2011-06-16, Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> wrote:
> On 15/06/11 18:57, Chris wrote:
>> Am Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:02:32 +0200 schrieb Marti Van Lin:
>>
>>> http://www.infowars.com/bill-gates-use-vaccines-to-lower-population/
>>
>> m(
>>
>> You really believe that?
>
> Well he's a climate loon who claims a small change in a trace gas that 
> has been 20 times today's level while life thrived, will cause a 
> planetary catastrophe, and he ran a convicted monopoly and boasted of 
> trying to drive others out of business, so I don't know what part of the 
> stupidity or immorality of this is so unbelievable.

Oh dear! Another flat-earther...

-- 
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

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#33344

FromRayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com>
Date2011-06-16 13:12 -0700
Message-ID<e4818eeb-04b2-4ca9-895a-24516383f44f@ct4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#33267
On Jun 16, 11:57 am, Gregory Shearman <ZekeGreg...@netscape.net>
wrote:
> On 2011-06-16, Ron House <rho...@smartchat.net.au> wrote:
>
> > On 15/06/11 18:57, Chris wrote:
> >> Am Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:02:32 +0200 schrieb Marti Van Lin:
>
> >>>http://www.infowars.com/bill-gates-use-vaccines-to-lower-population/
>
> >> m(
>
> >> You really believe that?
>
> > Well he's a climate loon who claims a small change in a trace gas that
> > has been 20 times today's level while life thrived, will cause a
> > planetary catastrophe, and he ran a convicted monopoly and boasted of
> > trying to drive others out of business, so I don't know what part of the
> > stupidity or immorality of this is so unbelievable.
>
> Oh dear! Another flat-earther...
>
> --
> Regards,
> Gregory.
> Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

But he's in your camp Greg.  He's a Linux fan.

Linux loon indeed.

RL

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#33098

FromDFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date2011-06-15 10:41 -0400
Message-ID<itagbg$rqh$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#33047
On 6/15/2011 1:02 AM, Marti Van Lin wrote:


Left side of piehole: "Don't let 'em fool you, Goatse is *evil* to the 
bone :-("


Right side of piehole: "Fan of Win7 theme for Gnome"
http://vlc-addons.org/usermanager/search.php?username=ml2mst



Why do you flaming hypocrites have to be so transparent?  No wonder you 
run and hide - you're shabby liars and hypocrites.

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#32925

Fromflatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com>
Date2011-06-14 13:19 -0400
Message-ID<ux1ksjh1egxw$.zhfgkua8kemm$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#32843
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:54 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> "Clog_-_wog (®)" <clog_-_wog@anonimous.eu> wrote in message 
> news:it7p2p$d6m$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> "The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donation is part of $4 billion effort 
>> to protect children from diseases like measles, pneumonia and yellow 
>> fever."
>> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015312523_vaccine14.html
>>
>> Money well spent, coming from MS software and Windows users!
>>
>> Where do COLA loons, freetard donations go???????????????????
>> http://gng.z505.com/cult.htm
>> Right into the pockets of " Richard's goons"
>> "These are the folks that earn compensation from free software, without 
>> sharing it with the cult members - the GPL developers (programmers)."
>>
> 
> 
> Expect the perpetually clueless "advocates" to now claim how donating $1 
> billion somehow enables Gates to make a "profit" on his taxes.

They have been uttering the same story for 20 years.
So what does the freetard community do to give back?

They should organize a "Take A Bath For Linux Day".
Or, "Trim A Beard For Linux Day".

For every bath taken, beard trimmed, people pledge some certain amount
of money to charity.

They might be lucky to collect $1000.00.



-- 
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/
 
Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta 
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html 

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508

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#32929

FromGoblin <bytes4free@googlemail.com>
Date2011-06-14 18:23 +0100
Message-ID<tOMJp.4625$b91.303@newsfe19.ams2>
In reply to#32925
On 14/06/11 18:19, flatfish+++ wrote:
> They have been uttering the same story for 20 years.
> So what does the freetard community do to give back?
>

I'd ask a Windows filesharer busy on Piratebay with gigs of Windows 
binaries.....

I'd expect though you'd have a better idea of contributions over 20 
years...apparently you have been posting bile here for 16 of them.

Funny that after 20 years what you call the "freetard" community is 
still here.

-- 
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#32933

FromHadron<hadronquark@gmail.com>
Date2011-06-14 19:26 +0200
Message-ID<whtybsxr28.fsf@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#32925
flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> writes:

> On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:54 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> "Clog_-_wog (®)" <clog_-_wog@anonimous.eu> wrote in message 
>> news:it7p2p$d6m$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> "The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donation is part of $4 billion effort 
>>> to protect children from diseases like measles, pneumonia and yellow 
>>> fever."
>>> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015312523_vaccine14.html
>>>
>>> Money well spent, coming from MS software and Windows users!
>>>
>>> Where do COLA loons, freetard donations go???????????????????
>>> http://gng.z505.com/cult.htm
>>> Right into the pockets of " Richard's goons"
>>> "These are the folks that earn compensation from free software, without 
>>> sharing it with the cult members - the GPL developers (programmers)."
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> Expect the perpetually clueless "advocates" to now claim how donating $1 
>> billion somehow enables Gates to make a "profit" on his taxes.
>
> They have been uttering the same story for 20 years.
> So what does the freetard community do to give back?
>
> They should organize a "Take A Bath For Linux Day".
> Or, "Trim A Beard For Linux Day".
>
> For every bath taken, beard trimmed, people pledge some certain amount
> of money to charity.
>
> They might be lucky to collect $1000.00.

VERY lucky if they only campaign at the LUG. There will be a mad rush
for the basement door as fat guys with pizza infested beards start
making up stories about how they have to, err, get home and help their
neighbours daughter reconfigure their Windows machines .. and all to
avoid coughing up on the sponsorship form. lol!

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#32945

Fromflatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com>
Date2011-06-14 13:44 -0400
Message-ID<2ezxf55gos6m.1fw1kxrg9t7b3$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#32933
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:26:23 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> writes:
> 
>> On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:54 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>> "Clog_-_wog (®)" <clog_-_wog@anonimous.eu> wrote in message 
>>> news:it7p2p$d6m$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>> "The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donation is part of $4 billion effort 
>>>> to protect children from diseases like measles, pneumonia and yellow 
>>>> fever."
>>>> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015312523_vaccine14.html
>>>>
>>>> Money well spent, coming from MS software and Windows users!
>>>>
>>>> Where do COLA loons, freetard donations go???????????????????
>>>> http://gng.z505.com/cult.htm
>>>> Right into the pockets of " Richard's goons"
>>>> "These are the folks that earn compensation from free software, without 
>>>> sharing it with the cult members - the GPL developers (programmers)."
>>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Expect the perpetually clueless "advocates" to now claim how donating $1 
>>> billion somehow enables Gates to make a "profit" on his taxes.
>>
>> They have been uttering the same story for 20 years.
>> So what does the freetard community do to give back?
>>
>> They should organize a "Take A Bath For Linux Day".
>> Or, "Trim A Beard For Linux Day".
>>
>> For every bath taken, beard trimmed, people pledge some certain amount
>> of money to charity.
>>
>> They might be lucky to collect $1000.00.
> 
> VERY lucky if they only campaign at the LUG. There will be a mad rush
> for the basement door as fat guys with pizza infested beards start
> making up stories about how they have to, err, get home and help their
> neighbours daughter reconfigure their Windows machines .. and all to
> avoid coughing up on the sponsorship form. lol!

Hahahha!

lol!

Stampeeeeeede!!

-- 
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/
 
Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta 
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html 

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508

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#32890

From7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com>
Date2011-06-14 17:18 +0100
Message-ID<gRLJp.2318$_e6.582@newsfe10.ams2>
In reply to#32837
Clog_-_wog (®) wrote:

> "The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donation is part of $4 billion effort
> to protect children from diseases like measles, pneumonia and yellow
> fever."
> 
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015312523_vaccine14.html
> 
> Money well spent, coming from MS software and Windows users!
> 
> Where do COLA loons, freetard donations go???????????????????
> http://gng.z505.com/cult.htm
> Right into the pockets of " Richard's goons"
> "These are the folks that earn compensation from free software, without
> sharing it with the cult members - the GPL developers (programmers)."


No explanation of how many goatse shares are invested in
the pharmas that are set to benefit and whether
strings are attached to this type of generosity.

Usually there is.

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#32893

FromClog_-_wog (®) <clog_-_wog@anonimous.eu>
Date2011-06-14 18:31 +0200
Message-ID<it82dq$5qm$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#32890
"7" <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> schreef in 
bericht news:gRLJp.2318$_e6.582@newsfe10.ams2...
> Clog_-_wog (®) wrote:
>
>> "The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donation is part of $4 billion 
>> effort
>> to protect children from diseases like measles, pneumonia and yellow
>> fever."
>>
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015312523_vaccine14.html
>>
>> Money well spent, coming from MS software and Windows users!
>>
>> Where do COLA loons, freetard donations go???????????????????
>> http://gng.z505.com/cult.htm
>> Right into the pockets of " Richard's goons"
>> "These are the folks that earn compensation from free software, without
>> sharing it with the cult members - the GPL developers (programmers)."
>
>
> No explanation of how many goatse shares are invested in
> the pharmas that are set to benefit and whether
> strings are attached to this type of generosity.
>
> Usually there is.
>

<to Zeke>
Here we have a "perpetually clueless "advocates" to now claim how donating 
$1 billion somehow enables Gates to make a "profit" on his taxes."
Let's wait for other clueless loons like Homer, sMarti or HPT to follow 
their "President". 

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