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| Started by | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| First post | 2017-03-24 23:55 -0500 |
| Last post | 2017-03-28 11:09 -0400 |
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Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-24 23:55 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-24 23:08 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-25 08:58 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-25 09:35 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-25 09:49 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-25 15:33 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-03-25 06:47 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-25 09:24 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-03-25 12:49 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-25 13:37 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-03-26 07:43 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-25 07:11 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-25 09:25 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-03-25 10:49 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-25 09:56 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-03-25 11:07 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-25 10:27 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-03-25 11:53 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-25 10:45 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-25 13:43 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-25 11:59 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-25 14:06 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-25 13:34 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-03-25 18:13 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-25 15:25 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-03-25 20:23 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-25 17:46 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-25 10:39 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-25 13:46 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-25 13:49 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-03-25 18:06 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-25 15:23 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-25 10:46 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-25 15:33 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-25 14:37 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-25 14:00 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-25 22:07 +0100
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-25 14:31 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-03-25 18:17 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-25 18:05 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-27 13:11 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-27 12:49 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 11:12 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-28 10:45 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2017-03-28 16:41 +0000
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-28 11:56 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2017-03-28 16:58 +0000
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 13:14 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-03-28 17:21 +0000
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 13:48 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 11:12 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 14:21 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 13:14 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-03-28 20:18 +0000
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 13:16 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-28 12:39 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 13:41 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-03-28 14:46 -0400
CostFree apps. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2017-03-27 16:44 -0700
Re: CostFree apps. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 11:14 -0400
Re: CostFree apps. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-28 10:49 -0500
Re: CostFree apps. Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-03-28 12:10 -0400
Re: CostFree apps. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-28 11:22 -0500
Re: CostFree apps. Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-03-28 14:08 -0400
Re: CostFree apps. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-28 13:55 -0500
Re: CostFree apps. Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-03-28 16:38 -0400
Re: CostFree apps. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-28 14:16 -0700
CopyRightTrolls can't blackmail me. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2017-03-28 14:48 -0700
Re: CopyRightTrolls can't blackmail me. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-28 15:24 -0700
Re: CopyRightTrolls can't blackmail me. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-29 12:12 -0400
CopyRightTrolls can't blackmail me. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2017-03-29 13:34 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-25 10:12 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-03-25 11:51 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-27 09:33 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-03-27 08:22 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-03-27 15:31 +0000
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-03-27 09:53 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-27 17:33 +0200
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2017-03-27 16:47 +0100
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-27 10:50 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-03-27 12:10 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-03-27 09:41 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-03-27 09:35 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-27 11:37 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-27 13:09 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-03-27 11:17 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 10:23 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-27 12:46 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-03-27 11:06 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 09:04 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-28 15:13 +0200
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 13:28 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-03-28 14:39 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-03-28 16:24 +0000
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-03-28 16:28 +0000
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-03-28 17:19 +0000
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 13:32 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-03-28 18:31 +0000
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-28 14:07 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-03-28 19:46 +0000
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-28 14:56 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-28 15:09 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2017-03-28 23:12 +0100
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 13:28 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-03-28 17:40 +0000
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 13:42 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 13:49 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-03-28 18:06 +0000
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 20:09 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2017-03-28 23:22 +0100
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-03-28 19:20 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-29 09:11 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-03-28 15:14 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-28 22:23 +0200
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-03-28 19:21 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-31 08:28 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 13:17 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-03-27 12:57 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-27 10:58 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-03-27 09:29 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-27 11:33 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-03-27 09:48 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-27 18:51 +0200
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-03-27 10:05 -0700
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-27 19:06 +0200
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-03-27 11:56 -0500
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2017-03-27 20:13 +0000
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-25 15:33 -0400
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2017-03-25 17:18 +0000
Re: Open source: The new normal in enterprise software DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-03-28 11:09 -0400
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| From | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 10:49 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: CostFree apps. |
| Message-ID | <746dnVAhku26G0fFnZ2dnUU7-LudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #404002 |
On 2017-03-28, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote: > I think I've downloaded 2 torrents in my life. What kind of stuff do > you download? I always associate torrents with pirated material. Torrents are a great way to download a Linux .iso. It frees up the provider for having to pay for a lot of bandwidth and typically it is much faster. Anytime a lot of people want the same file at the same time, torrents would be the way to go. It's a distributed model. It's that simple. -- Marek Novotný https://github.com/marek-novotny
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| From | Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 12:10 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: CostFree apps. |
| Message-ID | <LVvCA.210865$XG2.53103@fx08.iad> |
| In reply to | #404007 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 28/03/17 11:49 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: > On 2017-03-28, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote: >> I think I've downloaded 2 torrents in my life. What kind of >> stuff do you download? I always associate torrents with pirated >> material. > > Torrents are a great way to download a Linux .iso. It frees up the > provider for having to pay for a lot of bandwidth and typically it > is much faster. Anytime a lot of people want the same file at the > same time, torrents would be the way to go. It's a distributed > model. It's that simple. Considering how the developers of a distribution provide it for free, it just makes sense that we wouldn't expect them to foot the bill for the bandwidth required to give it to you. Torrents are the most respectful way of acquiring an ISO imo. - -- Silver Tongued-Heel Korora Linux Sponsor EFF & OpenMedia Member Gab.ai: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJY2orrAAoJEECBkWZkIkW3pQ4P/RXDwJAhOFoLiLkXsxGbBrCI FkP3XLV6ZRMi5Z2/JaZm2t8fBBG8tm/6GOLIG85rFEzWPMyIGoz5vkCdQtuXv57P Qwq51EZgILYnkciSTTFyN+Vdc6Hi8ADULwAN/hALHTs+0nxFnjXoPOoSPOa32hL2 UYhSaNMJ5ZAw5LfNxqsejHwI3dkP5fAmdXXob6dvs+2XmBETeB15+Mu9L0egBJgF UYROZMcZ3HFm+oJaIHnJkeerHfKj9oUjkIxnveKCM0tH+7993AGNGjN2eyUGswKk iLBpb5r1MhxrwSlLJVi9+xLOK1bJ0Eeusorm8IWl0BMf3Vu0aF2wzN/ZQlAeHmXp ga3yX8lek+zJFC0BfiGpBmSoqO//1CdbznTmZxGTid2ruZJeIb2kor0agjQ5bo7x R7YBkYv/ofNfn91tS4X5YHCtF5hg5CgY3uqI6U50SlAi47Ko1voqwIJ5xeQPZ44T iDub1s0iK7zFhU5eiu05vW1l4vKO9hvCLoxHm6Og40tcHDm23iOIa/RexSBcxbgr Nx9+PqgIKFjNj5CWW/+0Oa1jCoovI8W7rSPfhKtCPkErLpU4IXZXYWAHf43twwQ/ +2R6O6gAj15CrXKaoJyL8tUiz4/cfbgL6IeKFgIvrQtmTGC2iBb/KRkj/8OV3jYT 7YyQW2LPZKJ8zuCwaxgT =yq2q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 11:22 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: CostFree apps. |
| Message-ID | <caqdnWk4FsohEEfFnZ2dnUU7-YednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #404010 |
On 2017-03-28, Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> wrote: > > On 28/03/17 11:49 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >> On 2017-03-28, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote: >>> I think I've downloaded 2 torrents in my life. What kind of >>> stuff do you download? I always associate torrents with pirated >>> material. >> >> Torrents are a great way to download a Linux .iso. It frees up the >> provider for having to pay for a lot of bandwidth and typically it >> is much faster. Anytime a lot of people want the same file at the >> same time, torrents would be the way to go. It's a distributed >> model. It's that simple. > > Considering how the developers of a distribution provide it for free, > it just makes sense that we wouldn't expect them to foot the bill for > the bandwidth required to give it to you. Torrents are the most > respectful way of acquiring an ISO imo. the creator of Ubuntu Mate was being eaten alive by the bandwidth costs of because of the popularity of the distro. Most of the donations he got went not into development, but into simply paying for the bandwidth. And in different countries it can get slower and slower. Torrents solve most of that. -- Marek Novotný https://github.com/marek-novotny
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| From | Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 14:08 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: CostFree apps. |
| Message-ID | <qExCA.167944$VJ2.120244@fx40.iad> |
| In reply to | #404012 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 28/03/17 12:22 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: > On 2017-03-28, Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> wrote: >> >> On 28/03/17 11:49 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>> On 2017-03-28, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote: >>>> I think I've downloaded 2 torrents in my life. What kind of >>>> stuff do you download? I always associate torrents with >>>> pirated material. >>> >>> Torrents are a great way to download a Linux .iso. It frees up >>> the provider for having to pay for a lot of bandwidth and >>> typically it is much faster. Anytime a lot of people want the >>> same file at the same time, torrents would be the way to go. >>> It's a distributed model. It's that simple. >> >> Considering how the developers of a distribution provide it for >> free, it just makes sense that we wouldn't expect them to foot >> the bill for the bandwidth required to give it to you. Torrents >> are the most respectful way of acquiring an ISO imo. > > the creator of Ubuntu Mate was being eaten alive by the bandwidth > costs of because of the popularity of the distro. Most of the > donations he got went not into development, but into simply paying > for the bandwidth. And in different countries it can get slower and > slower. Torrents solve most of that. When I spoke to the developer behind Korora, I was ready to donate $20 just to thank him for producing a distribution that I can actually use and which supports the hardware I bought. He admitted that my donation would go straight into paying for bandwidth. As such, I decided that it would be best if I gave a monthly donation instead, especially since the guy has very few sponsors. It truly is the least that freedom-loving people can do if they appreciate a product. - -- Silver Tongued-Heel Korora Linux Sponsor EFF & OpenMedia Member Gab.ai: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJY2qaVAAoJEECBkWZkIkW3jSwQAMVZdjU0TbLyCe1U9ozH7aoO 6EL4QxSZluYpcQ59dIfFJLiKka/m+52d4YD2j7rFrE6nhNQXyp1Ss1oMvHmi3DPS sbjCzqVZW2ootXeiMpViSULt76B/j75lXDhhD0F9x12XQxsEsj/Oy2LpmksDgdyl 6k/Ejky7aI0LuQJ8yBo+H8099LoKwZIeSb38g4bSaB1+Gt1cwmTpbOgCb9PGbbJ4 uzedgUouWiwbU1IcnycuECKHRo9aleY1Qjc/a262P3X0yLwWPxj1lu08r7KbdTj3 L8k55EvmIZmPcfMWf1Q+Q9wPRdeXr6SbqV7+f2mfbSLnuhovV2nj7XsPhw+rooFd Ex2KTQYp2HH2y3hRdGfvWPU/Y8Hud1yHDToogqCg2uWLACMhgtxYbNfqxEn/cFwK klhb+c4MDVl+uBOrdMKsiLM+BFBduGylxnP0LJU2f8ck7NtnCG67Rlc4Mon5f/LW E94NhMFzwTKfATE+nFNn3rmiyJrUzAirl2ichRITiXIfTg8SjCyz1p7ZYuCMgt9M 4BnM1pf3pCMPfRyDawiLXBbBN3apivKwHNEciHCe6Q2JHD1y13xzZOIZPDGX4bWM /QedIxWBRGm1OOtj8HmzfYtHBWEl1bvMoIn4iBaW4elh8Zgzn0ydIdmKRqdwM7T/ q0HRXd00Us5nI47UvCwe =A8SI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 13:55 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: CostFree apps. |
| Message-ID | <UY2dnbLIrNYqLEfFnZ2dnUU7-Y_NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #404043 |
On 2017-03-28, Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> wrote: > > On 28/03/17 12:22 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >> On 2017-03-28, Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> wrote: >>> >>> On 28/03/17 11:49 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>> On 2017-03-28, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote: >>>>> I think I've downloaded 2 torrents in my life. What kind of >>>>> stuff do you download? I always associate torrents with >>>>> pirated material. >>>> >>>> Torrents are a great way to download a Linux .iso. It frees up >>>> the provider for having to pay for a lot of bandwidth and >>>> typically it is much faster. Anytime a lot of people want the >>>> same file at the same time, torrents would be the way to go. >>>> It's a distributed model. It's that simple. >>> >>> Considering how the developers of a distribution provide it for >>> free, it just makes sense that we wouldn't expect them to foot >>> the bill for the bandwidth required to give it to you. Torrents >>> are the most respectful way of acquiring an ISO imo. >> >> the creator of Ubuntu Mate was being eaten alive by the bandwidth >> costs of because of the popularity of the distro. Most of the >> donations he got went not into development, but into simply paying >> for the bandwidth. And in different countries it can get slower and >> slower. Torrents solve most of that. > > When I spoke to the developer behind Korora, I was ready to donate $20 > just to thank him for producing a distribution that I can actually use > and which supports the hardware I bought. He admitted that my donation > would go straight into paying for bandwidth. As such, I decided that > it would be best if I gave a monthly donation instead, especially > since the guy has very few sponsors. It truly is the least that > freedom-loving people can do if they appreciate a product. You're doing what I started out doing. If I used it I donated to it on a monthly basis. I didn't use Ubuntu Mate for very long, but I did donate to it while I was using it. I donate to the document foundation on each download. Vim is annually. Krita I don't even use but I like the project so I keep donating to it. What you may start to see and appreciate is how you might have a direct impact on something. Either you find a bug and pay a bug bounty to get it fixed, or through your donations you mention a feature you want and *you* have a direct impact on that feature through financial support. You'll start to see that *you* can actually make a difference. -- Marek Novotný https://github.com/marek-novotny
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| From | Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 16:38 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: CostFree apps. |
| Message-ID | <JQzCA.210866$XG2.36082@fx08.iad> |
| In reply to | #404069 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 28/03/17 02:55 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: > On 2017-03-28, Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> wrote: >> >> On 28/03/17 12:22 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>> On 2017-03-28, Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 28/03/17 11:49 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>> On 2017-03-28, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote: >>>>>> I think I've downloaded 2 torrents in my life. What kind >>>>>> of stuff do you download? I always associate torrents >>>>>> with pirated material. >>>>> >>>>> Torrents are a great way to download a Linux .iso. It frees >>>>> up the provider for having to pay for a lot of bandwidth >>>>> and typically it is much faster. Anytime a lot of people >>>>> want the same file at the same time, torrents would be the >>>>> way to go. It's a distributed model. It's that simple. >>>> >>>> Considering how the developers of a distribution provide it >>>> for free, it just makes sense that we wouldn't expect them to >>>> foot the bill for the bandwidth required to give it to you. >>>> Torrents are the most respectful way of acquiring an ISO >>>> imo. >>> >>> the creator of Ubuntu Mate was being eaten alive by the >>> bandwidth costs of because of the popularity of the distro. >>> Most of the donations he got went not into development, but >>> into simply paying for the bandwidth. And in different >>> countries it can get slower and slower. Torrents solve most of >>> that. >> >> When I spoke to the developer behind Korora, I was ready to >> donate $20 just to thank him for producing a distribution that I >> can actually use and which supports the hardware I bought. He >> admitted that my donation would go straight into paying for >> bandwidth. As such, I decided that it would be best if I gave a >> monthly donation instead, especially since the guy has very few >> sponsors. It truly is the least that freedom-loving people can do >> if they appreciate a product. > > You're doing what I started out doing. If I used it I donated to it > on a monthly basis. I didn't use Ubuntu Mate for very long, but I > did donate to it while I was using it. Same here with Linux Mint. I know that a lot of people here swear by the distribution but I was never too fond of it myself. Still, it was worth a $20 donation. > I donate to the document foundation on each download. That's mighty generous of you. I suppose that if I used it more than just sparingly to create documents, I might be more interested in funding their efforts. > Vim is annually. Krita I don't even use but I like the project so I > keep donating to it. What you may start to see and appreciate is > how you might have a direct impact on something. Either you find a > bug and pay a bug bounty to get it fixed, or through your donations > you mention a feature you want and *you* have a direct impact on > that feature through financial support. You'll start to see that > *you* can actually make a difference. I imagine that my title as "sponsor" of Korora means that I have some influence there. Still, I can't imagine anything becoming so important to me that I would demand that the developer work on it as a priority over something else. Like I said, I'm just happy to have found a distribution which works right and that I like and am glad to give him some money every month as a result. Now, I'll have to learn more about Linux in general since I'm pretty sure that I made the right decision in freaking out over the Windows ad and losing all faith in their security to move into Linux permanently. - -- Silver Tongued-Heel Korora Linux Sponsor EFF & OpenMedia Member Gab.ai: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJY2smoAAoJEECBkWZkIkW303gQALb9NJk40YRWF/++M76n2c9t LNhKURMYu3wZxccckTlAYvnRnOmqTpfq1rsPzmTMVzx8phvkt4nLoMQ/Ir4o8Jzb OwhZYkyzksjh7vzHHcLlDMX7u/dc3ritm8J6jnWBHOz6DdfFYTLycN02wTMI5Kl9 kAKrLsq6kReU5y/x+xXkWNKE8gWFrvcb99zOVdrs7jloT1nqg3Hh1ICkPC+TA+Rg 1roE+vbZMiPxy3n5o5qWyZk1VJ3jHNz4T5T6oPcmN1YFyZaIBxcLk8pK7q3LlStI zM/oG4sljh37LgVaGgA4Mv7VNqsPt+PHG0AxDPYiPren/jSCQrrCGUeJ3AqdGJzP B3AKFllmjIFH7LV+fLwzX3SjdVp2t6w405V3V6lOS7kIQmUGXP5t6kH3ta+2YRqY V1vB5Y1xVF0IWh3ULSfaqjpLhEbXsbErZUz1pcjbYxUjNqTiUhLh9ZVS0PGSIn9b ALbponncoRE6ptvSWOln5hDGDXgawvbcNiWV+v5gpmSRihyH4fZYOmcGrkJLtMjC E8H7L64vi0tD1dk7ir77sA97GAtLlPVAYU0V/y6tejSBTbiJrgYJrVf4UYftWyRG uX1fBZTHJcUfieG5e5c6TwBThFoxtoBrxzDL6usfUIuZfVC0ICsVeEAwHxmjVdw5 Ir0t3foBVsOM29jJgtYy =GFqR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 14:16 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: CostFree apps. |
| Message-ID | <D50020C3.987F9%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #404007 |
On 3/28/17, 8:49 AM, in article 746dnVAhku26G0fFnZ2dnUU7-LudnZ2d@giganews.com, "Marek Novotny" <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote: > On 2017-03-28, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote: >> I think I've downloaded 2 torrents in my life. What kind of stuff do >> you download? I always associate torrents with pirated material. > > Torrents are a great way to download a Linux .iso. It frees up the > provider for having to pay for a lot of bandwidth and typically it is > much faster. Anytime a lot of people want the same file at the same > time, torrents would be the way to go. It's a distributed model. It's > that simple. I use torrents when I can, but often they are PAINFULLY slow if they start at all so I go to the direct download. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-03-28 14:48 -0700 |
| Subject | CopyRightTrolls can't blackmail me. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.28--2.48P.Seattle.2017> |
| In reply to | #404002 |
You ( MrDFS ) replied ( to me ):
> > qBittorent, Zoom Player Max 13.0 rc1 ($30)
>
> I think I've downloaded 2 torrents in my life. What kind of stuff do
> you download? I always associate torrents with pirated material.
I mostly download YouTube videos
( via Video DownloadHelper/Converter, FireFox, $29 via Stripe )
but, occasionally, I download TV shows.
CopyRightTrolls can't blackmail me because I'm not making money off it,
and my IP address is not me.
> The 'Newsgroups' header from blocknews.net looked like this in older posts:
> Xref: nimbus comp.os.linux.advocacy:12345 alt.usenet.kooks:01673
> sci.physics:34592
I don't believe that ! You _must be confused. What's the MessageID ?
> imageMagick is a graphics library - not much in common with gimp.
It's also an editor. Gimp is good but hard to learn.
I code Direct2D ( for PostScriptLike paths and bitmaps )
and DirectWrite ( fonts ); previously, I used DirectDraw and GDI+.
Direct2D is amazingly powerful and, because it's part of Direct3D,
I get a high "frame rate", even with heavy, 4K graphics -- very nice !
> > Visual Studio 2017 Community Edition ( CostFree )
> > with Visual Commander Professional 2.6.3 ( $49 ).
> > http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Macros.HTM
>
> VS is nice, but too bulbous for my hobby programs.
> SublimeText is another nice editor.
I know vs2017 and VisualCommander ( EnvDTE80 / C# ) inside and out,
backwards and forwards; so, in my mind, they're "tiny".
> > I use my "Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM", of course.
>
> And others
> --------------------
> 40tude_Dialog 2125
> Forte Agent 1
> Google Groups 2
> Mozilla 2
> Relf's X 4085
> Thunderbird 1
> Xnews 44
> unknown 78
> --------------------
I used 40tude_Dialog when, 2004 ?
I've tested NewsReaders, of course.
> Your X-related user agent strings
> Jeff-Relf.Me/X.TXT
> Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM
> Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP
> X
> JeffRelf.F-M.FM/X.ZIP
> JeffRelf.F-M.FM/X.ZIP
> X.ZIP
> JeffRelf.F-M.FM/X.EXE
> X.EXE
Most of those were years ago, now it's "Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM".
> > I use .TXT files; to wit: "Jeff-Relf.Me/Posts.TXT".
>
> You should slam them into a database where you can sort and query.
They're sorted by date, and easy to search and edit
using vs2017, my PlainText editor.
vs2017 can edit a 3 GigaByte text file, as I did today.
> I have a table with nearly 67 million rows in it, and
> it's pretty fast to query. Updates and inserts are slow, though.
I like what you're doing, but I can use GoogleGroups instead;
e.g. to find your "o9p7bt$qrj$3@dont-email.me" post, do:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/messageid:o9p7bt$24qrj$243@dont-email.me
> Yesterday I wrote a python module to determine UTC given an NNTP post date:
> http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=04316373949536294863
>
> I think I did it right - I created a bunch of tests and it passed them
> (except for one, which I decided not to 'fix' because there is no time
> zone with a +-0030 offset)
All dates should be convertable to seconds since the start of 1970,
a 64 bit integer. In C, it's like this:
i64 aDate ; tm DayRec = {};
DayRec.tm_mon = Month ; // 0..11
DayRec.tm_mday = DayOfTheMonth ; // 1..31
DayRec.tm_year = Year - 1900, aDate = mktime( &DayRec );
You can add 200 days to DayRec.tm_mday, and call mktime( &DayRec ) to
normalize .tm_mday to 1..31, adjusting .tm_mon and .tm_year accordingly.
rfc2822 ( April 2001 ) Obsoletes rfc822 ( August 13, 1982 ).
Quoting
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#section-3.3
The form "+0000" SHOULD be used to indicate
a time zone at Universal Time.
Quoting
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#appendix-A.6.2
The following [has] an obsolete date format,
including a non-numeric time zone and a two digit year:
Date: 21 Nov 97 09:55:06 GMT
My "(Seattle)" is just a comment, it's not used to calculate a date.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 15:24 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: CopyRightTrolls can't blackmail me. |
| Message-ID | <D50030AE.988D2%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #404135 |
On 3/28/17, 2:48 PM, in article Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.28--2.48P.Seattle.2017, "<Jeff-Relf.Me @.>" <> wrote: > You ( MrDFS ) replied ( to me ): >>> qBittorent, Zoom Player Max 13.0 rc1 ($30) >> >> I think I've downloaded 2 torrents in my life. What kind of stuff do >> you download? I always associate torrents with pirated material. > > I mostly download YouTube videos > ( via Video DownloadHelper/Converter, FireFox, $29 via Stripe ) I use keepvid.com. Have a bookmarklet I just click and then download. Works great. ... -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | DFS <nospam@dfs.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-03-29 12:12 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: CopyRightTrolls can't blackmail me. |
| Message-ID | <obgm8g$am0$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #404135 |
On 3/28/2017 5:48 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> You ( MrDFS ) replied ( to me ):
>>> qBittorent, Zoom Player Max 13.0 rc1 ($30)
>>
>> I think I've downloaded 2 torrents in my life. What kind of stuff do
>> you download? I always associate torrents with pirated material.
>
> I mostly download YouTube videos
> ( via Video DownloadHelper/Converter, FireFox, $29 via Stripe )
> but, occasionally, I download TV shows.
> CopyRightTrolls can't blackmail me because I'm not making money off it,
> and my IP address is not me.
The only TV shows I ever cared enough about to rewatch were Justified
and Homeland. I rewatched Justified via Roku, and Showtime recently
replayed seasons 1-5 of Homeland and I DVRed them all.
Justified is my favorite TV show of all time.
>> The 'Newsgroups' header from blocknews.net looked like this in older posts:
>> Xref: nimbus comp.os.linux.advocacy:12345 alt.usenet.kooks:01673
>> sci.physics:34592
>
> I don't believe that ! You _must be confused. What's the MessageID ?
Are you being sarcastic? 100% of them come from blocknews in that
format. I fix them in realtime as I post the data:
comp.lang.python Jul 1 2003
1 101 Message-ID <1057090010.408280@cache2>
2 102 Message-ID <3f01f359$0$49115$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
3 103 Message-ID <3f01fb8f@usenet01.boi.hp.com>
4 104 Message-ID <vg3uge6ctq9k57@news.supernews.com>
5 105 Message-ID <mailman.1057094522.8284.python-list@python.org>
6 106 Message-ID <MPG.196a6add436fee66989684@news2.atlantic.net>
7 107 Message-ID <bdsv9v$21ne$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu>
8 108 Message-ID <mailman.1057096262.2527.python-list@python.org>
9 109 Message-ID <mailman.1057096444.4049.python-list@python.org>
10 110 Message-ID <vg40uajdqo3ac4@corp.supernews.com>
# articleID newsgroups
1 101 Newsgroups Xref: nimbus comp.lang.python:101
2 102 Newsgroups Xref: nimbus comp.lang.python:102
3 103 Newsgroups Xref: nimbus comp.lang.python:103
4 104 Newsgroups Xref: nimbus comp.lang.python:104
5 105 Newsgroups Xref: nimbus comp.lang.python:105
6 106 Newsgroups Xref: nimbus comp.lang.python:106
7 107 Newsgroups Xref: nimbus comp.lang.python:107
8 108 Newsgroups Xref: nimbus comp.lang.python:108
9 109 Newsgroups Xref: nimbus comp.lang.python:109
10 110 Newsgroups Xref: nimbus comp.lang.python:110
I just used the head command and they came back normal, so it looks like
it happens only with xhdr on blocknews.
Also, xhdr('User-Agent') returns nothing from blocknews.
> I like what you're doing, but I can use GoogleGroups instead;
> e.g. to find your "o9p7bt$qrj$3@dont-email.me" post, do:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/messageid:o9p7bt$24qrj$243@dont-email.me
At some point I'm gonna build a Qt (on Windows) interface to my db, and
go to town on the search and summary facilities. That will be awesome.
It will make the GG and Thunderbird stuff look like absolute child's play.
>> Yesterday I wrote a python module to determine UTC given an NNTP post date:
>> http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=04316373949536294863
>>
>> I think I did it right - I created a bunch of tests and it passed them
>> (except for one, which I decided not to 'fix' because there is no time
>> zone with a +-0030 offset)
>
> All dates should be convertable to seconds since the start of 1970,
> a 64 bit integer. In C, it's like this:
>
> i64 aDate ; tm DayRec = {};
> DayRec.tm_mon = Month ; // 0..11
> DayRec.tm_mday = DayOfTheMonth ; // 1..31
> DayRec.tm_year = Year - 1900, aDate = mktime( &DayRec );
After doing that UTC code yesterday, I might flesh it out and make my
own datetime library that will handle adding/subtracting
seconds,minutes,hours,days,weeks,months,years, etc.
> You can add 200 days to DayRec.tm_mday, and call mktime( &DayRec ) to
> normalize .tm_mday to 1..31, adjusting .tm_mon and .tm_year accordingly.
>
> rfc2822 ( April 2001 ) Obsoletes rfc822 ( August 13, 1982 ).
>
> Quoting
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#section-3.3
>
> The form "+0000" SHOULD be used to indicate
> a time zone at Universal Time.
>
> Quoting
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#appendix-A.6.2
>
> The following [has] an obsolete date format,
> including a non-numeric time zone and a two digit year:
>
> Date: 21 Nov 97 09:55:06 GMT
I adjust for those by adding '20' prefix (since none of the data is pre
year 2000), and convert GMT to +0000.
> My "(Seattle)" is just a comment, it's not used to calculate a date.
Special people feel entitled to add special comments.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-03-29 13:34 -0700 |
| Subject | CopyRightTrolls can't blackmail me. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.29--1.34P.Seattle.2017> |
| In reply to | #404377 |
You ( DFS ) replied ( to me ):
> I just used the "head" command and they came back normal;
> so it looks like [ the "NewsGroups:" fail ] happens only with "xhdr"
> on blocknews. Also, xhdr('User-Agent') returns nothing from blocknews.
Binary servers ( nonINN, not Individual.NET nor Glorb.COM )
are designed for MessageIDs/NZBs, not ArticleNumbers ( not xHdr ).
You get what you pay for;
INN servers cost $10/per year, BlockNews is $3 for life.
Eternal-September is CostFree, but they _fuck with you, censor you.
If you want to download TV shows, and you're willing to pay for it,
and you don't mind the fact that most of them are _quickly removed,
due to copyright violations, then Usenet has you covered; many options.
Otherwise, not so much; few options.
Quoting my "Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM":
// Only Pay/UnCensored INN servers properly update NewsGroups
// ( to recent posts ); several minutes may pass ( at times )
// before a binary server can do it.
//
// Binary servers handle MessageIDs and NZBs just fine, no problems;
// but they have serious problems with NewsGroups and ArticleNumbers;
// -- attempting to download via an ArticleNumber may _Hang/TimeOut;
// -- and, when it works, it's 5 times slower than INN servers.
> At some point I'm gonna build a Qt (on Windows) interface to my db, and
> go to town on the search and summary facilities. That will be awesome.
> It will make the GG and Thunderbird stuff look like absolute child's play.
I like it so far, and I wish you well.
Personally, I focus more on what _I wrote ( and who I replied to ),
not random trolls.
> > i64 aDate ; tm DayRec = {};
> > DayRec.tm_mon = Month ; // 0..11
> > DayRec.tm_mday = DayOfTheMonth ; // 1..31
> > DayRec.tm_year = Year - 1900, aDate = mktime( &DayRec );
> >
> > You can add 200 days to DayRec.tm_mday, and call mktime( &DayRec ) to
> > normalize .tm_mday to 1..31, adjusting .tm_mon and .tm_year accordingly.
>
> After doing that UTC code yesterday, I might flesh it out and make my
> own datetime library that will handle adding/subtracting
> seconds,minutes,hours,days,weeks,months,years, etc.
Why reinvent the "mktime()" wheel, doesn't Python have it ?
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#section-3.3
> > My "(Seattle)" is just a comment, it's not used to calculate a date.
>
> Special people feel entitled to add special comments.
rfc2822 allows it.
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-03-25 10:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lv1ddchf6haflk02jpbc80tr0mriodigpr@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #403355 |
Silver-Tongued Heel wrote: > chrisv wrote: >> >> Thank God. If those scumbags controlled things the way that they >> liked, people would still be paying $300 for a fscking word >> processor. > >Or settling for WordPad. Mind you, no matter what happened, stuff like >AbiWord would have appeared and people would have been able to >download that rather than pay for Word anyway. Oh, definitely. Many year ago, I said that if Free and Open Source Software didn't exist, someone would have to invent it. It is, simply, necessary. -- "Along with most open source products, it's a HUGE financial failure. Every single Linux/OSS development hour ever spent has an opportunity cost associated with it - and that cost is overwhelmingly never recouped." - DumFSck, putting his ignorance on display
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| From | Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-03-25 11:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ob63fr$eeh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #403360 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 25/03/17 11:12 AM, chrisv wrote: > Silver-Tongued Heel wrote: > >> chrisv wrote: >>> >>> Thank God. If those scumbags controlled things the way that >>> they liked, people would still be paying $300 for a fscking >>> word processor. >> >> Or settling for WordPad. Mind you, no matter what happened, stuff >> like AbiWord would have appeared and people would have been able >> to download that rather than pay for Word anyway. > > Oh, definitely. Many year ago, I said that if Free and Open > Source Software didn't exist, someone would have to invent it. > > It is, simply, necessary. Especially for the younger people still learning about technology who can't afford to buy Word just to write a paper. - -- Silver-Tongued Heel Korora Linux Sponsor EFF & OpenMedia Member Gab.ai: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJY1pHrAAoJEECBkWZkIkW3AnoP/R39Udg/9LoceYOd3jVylpu5 sMk9Y0pvjp5UMFJK9Dh/1hXwgYD9f8IRS1f0kqPzsmfS7asd9f7Jf3/DAOEWN+V8 +3hN104hf2r6w7sybwzcHbrMTpWi3B34yxIvh8H9Yh6BXT0o9K+nAlV2WzfUU1MQ gh8Occs6V0+v+7sKgbMKa4zVbit7l3kdHnIqW/JWsHih5ntgX6u7C3R11RaX4yCv KnCe3sViRozQMqT49dDCVq2O1qWLoF8oUEI7/SmV6X4kxHpcZGJt1slXc3eZQ3Qs 3/JQ2JCdJd8/Mw7sT6YKTvKxbYGDLpniIg1tN7ys8FDUTYASY01Cqd4QCLsQMyo5 WukJ2yjGH+5N0rRT9QiY+JT0UIESfYBAbxqQbyaZz64z0Gwnp/8NW4LaZas4+FS4 HOOkepNbsMhzfGmEdk73O63Gm6cQFrG7ViDwj6P79MU4jJ4VihSMNCEPCMKF0oCI GpmI9T8clE+ZtKiulc4WeISNECU774H+OlnLO4rLbVGc1XiTjmKnC7vTr+HF2BLB oULNTyRJXCwpuLCW7Ce02y9WqCA6bWSquGUaI4s01v3j1SjkDTXYiEDQrwvdYBIm U9XWeY4gjYKSl440sxQTkTMBYWbdGJkWRZNIzG6MKTG3H6+6rIVCby87kM1OPXc+ +YEMtjm5UYn6VpFJZbUq =x0y/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 09:33 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <d68idcdh3bnmp0ou08pjk5clqjkrt5vgp4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #403364 |
Silver-Tongued Heel wrote: > chrisv wrote: >> >> Many year ago, I said that if Free and Open >> Source Software didn't exist, someone would have to invent it. >> >> It is, simply, necessary. > >Especially for the younger people still learning about technology who >can't afford to buy Word just to write a paper. Even more important is the flexibility and efficiency that FOSS offers to business. No crawling to some vendor to get the code to power your new gadget or service. No fooling-around with licenses or NDA's. No re-inventing the wheel all the time. -- "MS invests more in R&D than most others put together you clueless idiot." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
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| From | fr314159@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 08:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a107cf89-dbaa-4e17-a831-b044a25d005d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #403742 |
On Monday, March 27, 2017 at 10:33:44 AM UTC-4, chrisv wrote: > > Even more important is the flexibility and efficiency that FOSS offers > to business. No crawling to some vendor to get the code to power your > new gadget or service. No fooling-around with licenses or NDA's. > Unless a business wants to perform all accounting, including payroll, in house. These two related areas are critical to all businesses. GNU/Linux has no software for either accounting or payroll, and must use Microshit to do these jobs. As I already indicated, the GNU project should place accounting/payroll software at the top of their "urgent" list in place of mobile applications and personal digital assistants. It is possible to cobble together a database or linked spreadsheets to do these jobs, but having a dedicated FOSS package would be preferable.
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| From | Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 15:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <obbb8b$d7v$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #403750 |
On 2017-03-27, fr314159@gmail.com <fr314159@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, March 27, 2017 at 10:33:44 AM UTC-4, chrisv wrote: > >> >> Even more important is the flexibility and efficiency that FOSS offers >> to business. No crawling to some vendor to get the code to power your >> new gadget or service. No fooling-around with licenses or NDA's. >> > > Unless a business wants to perform all accounting, including payroll, > in house. These two related areas are critical to all businesses. > > GNU/Linux has no software for either accounting or payroll, and > must use Microshit to do these jobs. http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20091129070817552/ERP.html > -- press any key to continue or any other to quit...
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| From | fr314159@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 09:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <92203721-b6e6-48c2-9d2c-b34a3730ade2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #403751 |
On Monday, March 27, 2017 at 11:31:25 AM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote: > > http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20091129070817552/ERP.html > > It's all junk, junk, and junk. No business in its right mind would waste time with any of those -- and they don't.
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 17:33 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <obbb6i$96i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #403750 |
fr314159@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, March 27, 2017 at 10:33:44 AM UTC-4, chrisv wrote: > >> >> Even more important is the flexibility and efficiency that FOSS offers >> to business. No crawling to some vendor to get the code to power your >> new gadget or service. No fooling-around with licenses or NDA's. >> > > Unless a business wants to perform all accounting, including payroll, > in house. These two related areas are critical to all businesses. > > GNU/Linux has no software for either accounting or payroll, and > must use Microshit to do these jobs. This is, as everything you spout, complete rubbish
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| From | William Poaster <wp@dev.null> |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 16:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <koonqd-53a.ln1@debian.machineone.org> |
| In reply to | #403752 |
On 27/3/2017 16:33 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Peter Köhlmann posted: > fr314159@gmail.com wrote: > >> On Monday, March 27, 2017 at 10:33:44 AM UTC-4, chrisv wrote: >> >>> >>> Even more important is the flexibility and efficiency that FOSS offers >>> to business. No crawling to some vendor to get the code to power your >>> new gadget or service. No fooling-around with licenses or NDA's. >>> >> >> Unless a business wants to perform all accounting, including payroll, >> in house. These two related areas are critical to all businesses. >> >> GNU/Linux has no software for either accounting or payroll, and >> must use Microshit to do these jobs. > > This is, as everything you spout, complete rubbish +100 -- The troll is but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: his is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. (With acknowledgement to W.S.)
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 10:50 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <akcidc1ei9pib3d4ll4gld7ebk96ratqhn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #403750 |
fr314159@gmail.com wrote: > chrisv wrote: >> >> Even more important is the flexibility and efficiency that FOSS offers >> to business. No crawling to some vendor to get the code to power your >> new gadget or service. No fooling-around with licenses or NDA's. > >Unless a business wants to perform all accounting, including payroll, >in house. These two related areas are critical to all businesses. > >GNU/Linux has no software for either accounting or payroll, and >must use Microshit to do these jobs. I find that difficult to believe. Even if it's true, it doesn't have much to do with the point that I was making. FOSS doesn't cover ALL the bases. When it comes to "applications", the closed-source model is sometimes better. -- "you don't have the ability to list any innovations from the FOSS copycats." - trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel"
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