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Re: It's over

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
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Subject	Re: It's over
Date	2024-07-19 04:33 +0000
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On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 00:59:24 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> That seems pretty dumb. Motorola managed something similar (the 68008,
> as used in the Sinclair QL) without segmentation.

Trailing the pack may have worked out well for Motorola. The 6502 ate the 
6800's lunch on price and performance. GM's choice of the 6800 family for 
automobiles saved it. The 6809 didn't do that well either. They didn't 
have an attachment to the existing designs and targeted high end 
applications with the 68000 so it was a clean approach.

Intel patched up the 8080 basically by formalizing the bank switching that 
was already being used with the Z80/8080, while working on their high end 
432 that never happened. Zilog tried to do the same with the Z80, even 
more obviously with an external MMU.

Motorola's problem was the 68008 was sort of an afterthought and IBM 
wanted cheap and now, picking the classic 2 out of three constraints. 
Motorola also had a sort of a bad rep going back to GM and the 6800. When 
GM said 'jump' Motorola said 'how high?' and if you weren't buying a 
million parts you went on the back burner.

In the early '80s deliveries were often out a year or more and some 
decisions were made based on what you could buy, sort of like the recent 
GPU shortage, and the upcoming one TSNC is muttering about.

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  Re: It's over Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-07-15 12:54 -0400
    Re: It's over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-16 00:16 +0000
      Re: It's over Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-16 01:01 +0000
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              Re: It's over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-17 02:50 +0000
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                Re: It's over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-19 04:44 +0000
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      Re: It's over Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-07-15 21:44 -0400
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              Re: It's over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-07-16 07:14 -0400
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                Re: It's over Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-19 08:02 +0000
                Re: It's over RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-07-19 13:21 +0000
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