Re: Imagine this

Date	2026-04-29 20:58 -0400
Subject	Re: Imagine this
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.os.linux.advocacy
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From	CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
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On 2026-04-29 7:36 p.m., pothead wrote:
> On 2026-04-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2026-04-29 7:10 p.m., Alan wrote:
>>> On 2026-04-29 14:25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 08:08:06 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/28/26 9:15 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2026 20:41:36 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure the NEO is not a throwaway machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here’s a detailed hardware teardown
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvYt1GgcsUI> comparing it to the
>>>>>> Framework Laptop 12. Gives you a better idea of some of the
>>>>>> compromises that went into the design of the Neo. And shows you how
>>>>>> you can put together a more versatile machine for the same budget.
>>>>>
>>>>> What? Even with the i3 CPU it's over $900, the i5 is $1,159. It has
>>>>> a plastic case too.
>>>>
>>>> You can go to their site and get an actual price.
>>>
>>> Indeed you can!
>>>
>>> And with a model pre-configured with Windows 11, the price STARTS at
>>> $1,079.
>>>
>>> And if you use their "DIY" configurator, the lowest price IS $719...
>>>
>>> ...but you'll be spending to get RAM and an SSD to make into a useable
>>> system...
>>>
>>> ...which means another $120 for 8GB of RAM...
>>>
>>> ...and another $135 or so for a 512GB SSD...
>>>
>>> ...wing bring the total to just a little less than $999.
>>>
>>> If you opt for the convenience of adding RAM and SSD from Framework...
>>>
>>> ...well then you'll be paying $1,084.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And he pointed out the bottom cover on the Neo is not CNC-machined,
>>>> it’s die-cast, obviously to save costs. This means it loses rigidity,
>>>> which has to be made up elsewhere -- in the touchpad, of all places.
>>>
>>> As the FOUNDER OF FRAMEWORK pointed out, you mean.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Plus, this video is done by the Framework founder. Hardly an unbiased
>>>>> source. It's really a Framework ad.
>>>>
>>>> Watch it again, and note at what point you lose count of the number of
>>>> screws that have to be undone to open up the Neo.
>>>
>>> How does that address the question of bias, and why is it important?
>>>
>>> Do you really think that ordinary people are disassembling their
>>> machines every week?
>>>
>>> Oh, and the Framework 12:
>>>
>>> is slower in GeekBench single and multicore speed.
>>>
>>> has a 12", lower resolution, less bright display
>>>
>>> weighs more and is bigger
>>>
>>> needs a fan
>>
>> I can understand having a computer which periodically turns on the fan
>> because you're doing a lot of things at work or really pushing the
>> processor, but on the PC it is constant. When you go from using a Mac
>> almost exclusively back to a PC, it really becomes an irritant.
>>
> Fans become irritating mostly on laptops. And the amount of dust, hair and so
> forth that they suck in is a major cause of failure.
> Blow out the intake port now and then and you'll be fine.
> Also don't blow powerful continuous blasts of air either as it
> will spin the fans much faster than they are designed for and toast the bearings.

I already do that. I'm just referring to the fact that a Mac can get 
excellent performance on a laptop, on battery or AC, all the while never 
requiring a fan. With a PC, you can get decent battery life at the 
expense of performance, or performance at the expense of battery life. 
The moment you choose performance, you're also turning on the fan and 
forcing yourself to hear it at all times.


-- 
CrudeSausage
M4 MacBook Air

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  Re: Imagine this Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-04-28 20:41 -0400
    Re: Imagine this Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-29 01:15 +0000
      Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-28 21:40 -0400
      Re: Imagine this Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-04-29 08:08 -0400
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                Re: Imagine this Anonymous <anonttymtous@localhost.com> - 2026-05-04 16:06 -0400
                Re: Imagine this "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 17:07 -0400
                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 22:35 +0000
                Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-05-04 19:31 -0400
                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 23:59 +0000
                Re: Imagine this "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 20:43 -0400
                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 00:50 +0000
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                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 16:20 +0000
                Re: Imagine this % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 09:36 -0700
                Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-05-05 13:51 -0700
                Re: Imagine this chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-05-05 15:55 -0500
                Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-05-05 13:56 -0700
                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 21:07 +0000
                Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-05-05 14:16 -0700
                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 21:29 +0000
                Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-05-05 14:43 -0700
                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 22:40 +0000
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                Poor triggered snowflake... Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-05-05 15:26 -0700
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                Re: Imagine this chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-05-05 20:00 -0500
                Re: Imagine this -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-05-05 20:46 -0500
                Re: Imagine this "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 21:56 -0400
                Re: Imagine this chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-05-06 06:31 -0500
                Re: Imagine this -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-05-06 07:13 -0500
                Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-05-05 18:49 -0400
                Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-05-05 18:37 -0400
                Re: Imagine this chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-05-05 17:40 -0500
                Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-05-05 15:43 -0700
                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 02:21 +0000
                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 02:13 +0000
                Re: Imagine this % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 08:20 -0700
                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 16:40 +0000
                Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-05-05 15:43 -0700
                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 22:46 +0000
                Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-05-05 16:27 -0700
                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 02:20 +0000
                Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-05-05 19:58 -0700
                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 04:25 +0000
                Re: Imagine this % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 08:22 -0700
                Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-05-06 08:24 -0700
                Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-05-06 12:30 -0400
                Re: Imagine this % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 09:34 -0700
                Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-05-06 12:35 -0400
                Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-05-06 09:40 -0700
                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 16:39 +0000
                Re: Imagine this WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2026-05-01 08:21 -0400
                Re: Imagine this chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-05-01 16:42 -0500
                Re: Imagine this WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2026-05-01 23:05 -0400
                Re: Imagine this chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-05-02 04:58 -0500
                WolfFan IS a *LIAR*. (was - Imagine this} "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-05-02 14:47 +0100
                Re: WolfFan IS a *LIAR*. (was - Imagine this} WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2026-05-02 17:36 -0400
                Re: WolfFan IS a *LIAR*. (was - Imagine this} chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-05-03 05:55 -0500
                Re: WolfFan IS a *LIAR*. (was - Imagine this} "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-05-03 13:08 +0100
                Re: Imagine this WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2026-05-02 17:34 -0400
                Re: Imagine this chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-05-03 05:52 -0500
                Re: Imagine this "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 07:04 -0400
                Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-05-03 07:04 -0400
                Re: Imagine this WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2026-05-03 11:22 -0400
                Re: Imagine this chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-05-03 11:18 -0500
                Re: Imagine this "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 19:00 -0400
                Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-30 15:43 -0700
                Re: Imagine this chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-04-30 18:01 -0500
                Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-30 16:03 -0700
                Re: Imagine this chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-05-01 07:02 -0500
                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 12:22 +0000
                Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 04:54 +0000
                Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-29 20:58 -0400
                Re: Imagine this pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-04-30 13:16 +0000
                Re: Imagine this chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-04-30 15:59 -0500
            Re: Imagine this Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 16:17 -0400
          Re: Imagine this -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-04-30 07:10 -0500
            Re: Imagine this chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-04-30 15:45 -0500
        Re: Imagine this Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-30 07:28 +0000
      Re: Imagine this Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 16:41 -0400
        Re: Imagine this Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-30 22:21 +0000
          Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-30 22:12 -0400
    Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-28 21:25 -0400
      Re: Imagine this "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-04-28 21:32 -0400
      Re: Imagine this chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-04-29 06:55 -0500
      Re: Imagine this WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2026-05-01 08:34 -0400
    Re: Imagine this rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-29 03:48 +0000
  Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-29 11:32 -0700
    Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-29 15:51 -0400
    Re: Imagine this Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 11:39 -0400
      Re: Imagine this "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 11:47 -0400
        Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-30 09:02 -0700
          Re: Imagine this "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 12:06 -0400
            Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-30 09:20 -0700
              Re: Imagine this "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 12:27 -0400
                Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-30 09:33 -0700
                Re: Imagine this "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 13:12 -0400
                Re: Imagine this Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-30 10:44 -0700
              Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-30 12:42 -0400
                Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-30 12:47 -0400
          Re: Imagine this Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 16:34 -0400
            Re: Imagine this Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-30 22:23 +0000
              Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 22:31 +0000
                Re: Imagine this Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 00:18 +0000
              Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-30 22:13 -0400
              Re: Imagine this vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-05-01 02:25 +0000
            Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-30 21:01 -0400
      Re: Imagine this Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-30 22:23 +0000
        Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 22:32 +0000
          Re: Imagine this Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 00:17 +0000
            Re: Imagine this Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 00:28 +0000
              Re: Imagine this Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 01:34 +0000
            Re: Imagine this CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-30 22:14 -0400

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