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On 7/09/2023 1:50 pm, Jeff Jonas wrote:
>> Let's not forget the Z80 itself was a new processor
>> built upon an old design and became popular for that reason.
> 
> Yes, no, kinda, maybe?
> 8080 compatibility definitely helped on the software side,
> running CP/M and such.
> 
> But the Z80's hardware was tremendously easier to use,
> almost like silicon-chip Lego, thus becoming the favorite for embedded systems
> such as "smart modems", SCSI controllers, terminal servers.
> In a way, the Z80 peripherals were "the tail wagging the dog"
> because they were so popular, particularly the SIO dual-channel serial I/O chips.
> 
>     Z80 hardware features:
> 
> +5 volts only, no +/- 12v
> 
> single phase clock: no special clock generator required
> 
> Z80 native peripheral chips self-arbitrated DMA and vectored interrupts via daisy-chain.
> No interrupt controller required.
> 
> built in dram refresh cycle, making RAM interfacing easier.
> 
> The Z80 signals were so direct and easy to use
> that they formed the basis of the STD bus (which was later extended).
> 
> I/O address space was separate from the 64k memory address space
> due to IN, OUT instructions asserting the /IORQ signal instead of /MREQ
> 
> and other things :-)

I worked in telecom.  Equipment originating from Europe (Siemens) tended to
use the 8085 while the Japanese (Ando) used the Z80.  So not a great deal
of difference between them in that market.  Unlike Zilog, Intel appears
to have lost interest in the 8080 line.  I wasn't aware the 8085's 'undoc'
instructions were actually new instructions which Intel, in their wisdom,
chose to disown.

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