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  Samsung One UI 7 Update extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> - 2025-04-15 16:44 +0000
    Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 17:38 +0000
      Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> - 2025-04-15 18:21 +0000
        Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:45 +0000
          Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> - 2025-04-15 19:57 +0000
            Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-17 15:25 +0000
              Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-18 13:51 +0200
    Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-15 21:40 +0200
      Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> - 2025-04-15 19:59 +0000
        Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-15 22:02 +0200
      Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-18 11:53 +0200
        Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> - 2025-04-18 13:53 +0000
        Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-18 16:40 +0200
          Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-18 21:06 +0200
            Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-19 09:34 +0200
              Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-19 13:39 +0200
                Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-19 18:30 +0200
          Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-22 03:37 +0200
    Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-18 11:52 +0200
      Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-18 13:55 +0200
        Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> - 2025-04-18 14:03 +0000
          Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-18 16:13 +0200
          Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-22 03:41 +0200
        Re: Samsung One UI 7 Update Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-22 03:40 +0200

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#147816 — Samsung One UI 7 Update

This morning I awoke to a new launcher, and I hate it. I feel I'm not 
usually as sensitive to these kinds of updates as others are - the last 
major instance I can recall bothering me to this degree was when 
Microsoft did what they did with Windows 8.

To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone. 
I'll withhold my commentary on that one.

PSA - to recombine your notification tray with Quick Settings, take 
these steps:

   1. Swipe down on the Quick Settings panel
   2. Click the pencil
   3. Click "Panel settings"
   4. Choose the "Together" option - this will restore the old functionality

It's too bad the bootloaders are locked on US model Samsung devices. 
This update has pushed me over the edge - I'd be installing a custom ROM 
as we speak, if it were an available option.

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#147820

extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:
[...]
> It's too bad the bootloaders are locked on US model Samsung devices. 

  As far as I know, most if not all bootloaders are locked, not just on
Samsung devices and not just only on US models.

  An unlocked bootloader is a gigantic security risk, because it doesn't
only allow *you* to install other system level software, but also
*anyone else* (thief, someone who finds your lost phone), who can then
get access to your personal data.

  FYI, there are on-line - paid - services which can unlock the
bootloader of most phones. I used one to unlock the bootloader of my
stone-age Huawei Ascend Y300 phone. That said, I wouldn't do that again
for my current - out of update-support - Samsung Galaxy A51, unless it
became unusable/too_old and I couldn't afford a replacement.

> This update has pushed me over the edge - I'd be installing a custom ROM 
> as we speak, if it were an available option.

  You might want to check if there's a custom 'ROM' for your particular
model phone. LineageOS probably has the widest range of supported
models.

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#147823

On 2025-04-15, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:
> [...]
>> It's too bad the bootloaders are locked on US model Samsung devices. 
>
>   As far as I know, most if not all bootloaders are locked, not just on
> Samsung devices and not just only on US models.

Bootloader unlocking is possible on international model Samsung devices 
through the "OEM Unlock" option in Developer Options. Other devices 
really vary by manufacturer/region/wireless carrier.

>   An unlocked bootloader is a gigantic security risk, because it doesn't
> only allow *you* to install other system level software, but also
> *anyone else* (thief, someone who finds your lost phone), who can then
> get access to your personal data.

This is a good point, and I agree with you to quite some extent. 
However, I still think the option should be available - and could be 
made available - for those who "know what they're doing".

>   FYI, there are on-line - paid - services which can unlock the
> bootloader of most phones. I used one to unlock the bootloader of my
> stone-age Huawei Ascend Y300 phone. That said, I wouldn't do that again
> for my current - out of update-support - Samsung Galaxy A51, unless it
> became unusable/too_old and I couldn't afford a replacement.

I can't imagine any of these paid services can do much that isn't 
already publically available. And all discussions I've read on XDA 
Developers and elsewhere are pretty adamant that US model Samsung 
devices cannot be rooted/have a custom ROM installed in any way, shape, 
or form. I would expect mention of these services if they were able to 
do it.

I also certainly would not trust any of these services.

>> This update has pushed me over the edge - I'd be installing a custom ROM 
>> as we speak, if it were an available option.
>
>   You might want to check if there's a custom 'ROM' for your particular
> model phone. LineageOS probably has the widest range of supported
> models.

Installing a custom ROM requires unlocking the bootloader unfortunately, 
otherwise I'd be doing that and not complaining about it on here :)

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#147826

extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:
> On 2025-04-15, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> > extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:
> > [...]
> >> It's too bad the bootloaders are locked on US model Samsung devices. 
> >
> >   As far as I know, most if not all bootloaders are locked, not just on
> > Samsung devices and not just only on US models.
> 
> Bootloader unlocking is possible on international model Samsung devices 
> through the "OEM Unlock" option in Developer Options. Other devices 
> really vary by manufacturer/region/wireless carrier.

  You're correct! Thanks for that information. My Samsung Galaxy A51
SM-A515F (SM-A515FZKVEUB to be precise), bought in The Netherlands,
indeed has that option.

> >   An unlocked bootloader is a gigantic security risk, because it doesn't
> > only allow *you* to install other system level software, but also
> > *anyone else* (thief, someone who finds your lost phone), who can then
> > get access to your personal data.
> 
> This is a good point, and I agree with you to quite some extent. 
> However, I still think the option should be available - and could be 
> made available - for those who "know what they're doing".

  I've seen many posts from users complaining about not being able to
unlock the bootloader, who did not seem to know/realize the
consequences. But as long *you* know what you're doing, all is fine! :-)

> >   FYI, there are on-line - paid - services which can unlock the
> > bootloader of most phones. I used one to unlock the bootloader of my
> > stone-age Huawei Ascend Y300 phone. That said, I wouldn't do that again
> > for my current - out of update-support - Samsung Galaxy A51, unless it
> > became unusable/too_old and I couldn't afford a replacement.
> 
> I can't imagine any of these paid services can do much that isn't 
> already publically available. And all discussions I've read on XDA 
> Developers and elsewhere are pretty adamant that US model Samsung 
> devices cannot be rooted/have a custom ROM installed in any way, shape, 
> or form. I would expect mention of these services if they were able to 
> do it.

  OK. As you've found no leads, clues, etc., it probably can't be done.

> I also certainly would not trust any of these services.

  I didn't/wouldn't either, but in my case it was try-or-dispose. It
worked and was not expensive, IIRC 4 dollars.

> >> This update has pushed me over the edge - I'd be installing a custom ROM 
> >> as we speak, if it were an available option.
> >
> >   You might want to check if there's a custom 'ROM' for your particular
> > model phone. LineageOS probably has the widest range of supported
> > models.
> 
> Installing a custom ROM requires unlocking the bootloader unfortunately, 
> otherwise I'd be doing that and not complaining about it on here :)

  Yes, I understand, but if there's no custom 'ROM' for your model,
there's no point to try to get the bootloader unlocked. Catch-22. Both
conditions have to be true.

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#147829

On 2025-04-15, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:
>> On 2025-04-15, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> > extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:
>> Bootloader unlocking is possible on international model Samsung devices 
>> through the "OEM Unlock" option in Developer Options. Other devices 
>> really vary by manufacturer/region/wireless carrier.
>
>   You're correct! Thanks for that information. My Samsung Galaxy A51
> SM-A515F (SM-A515FZKVEUB to be precise), bought in The Netherlands,
> indeed has that option.

Lucky you! I wonder if any international models would even work in the 
US - this has been added to my research agenda, though it's probably 
going to stay low on the priority list until my phone installment plan 
is paid off...

>> This is a good point, and I agree with you to quite some extent. 
>> However, I still think the option should be available - and could be 
>> made available - for those who "know what they're doing".
>
>   I've seen many posts from users complaining about not being able to
> unlock the bootloader, who did not seem to know/realize the
> consequences. But as long *you* know what you're doing, all is fine! :-)

The more I know about what I'm doing, the less I feel like I know 
what I'm doing at all...Dunning and Kruger would like a word

>> I also certainly would not trust any of these services.
>
>   I didn't/wouldn't either, but in my case it was try-or-dispose. It
> worked and was not expensive, IIRC 4 dollars.

Now I'm very curious what your use case was for this!

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#147903

extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:
> On 2025-04-15, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> > extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:
> >> On 2025-04-15, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> > extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:
> >> Bootloader unlocking is possible on international model Samsung devices 
> >> through the "OEM Unlock" option in Developer Options. Other devices 
> >> really vary by manufacturer/region/wireless carrier.
> >
> >   You're correct! Thanks for that information. My Samsung Galaxy A51
> > SM-A515F (SM-A515FZKVEUB to be precise), bought in The Netherlands,
> > indeed has that option.
> 
> Lucky you! I wonder if any international models would even work in the 
> US - this has been added to my research agenda, though it's probably 
> going to stay low on the priority list until my phone installment plan 
> is paid off...

  Before bying this particular model, I studied the needed/available
(2G/3G/4G) frequency bands in detail, because I needed to use the phone
in EU countries in Europe and in Australia. Australia's main provider
(Telstra) with the widest coverage, uses some quite 'special' frequency
bands (to get that wide coverage), so I had to be sure my phone had
those bands.

  Most webshops did not give those details, but my main webshop
mentioned the exact/full product numbers and Samsung was one of the few
brands which mentioned these exact product numbers. So I could look at
the webshop site for a candidate and then lookup its frequence bands on
the (Dutch) Samsung site.

  FYI, not that it is of much help, because my phone is already a few
years old, but my phone (see above) *does* work in the US. Tested on my
2023 trip to the Indy 500 (Chicago to Indianapolis and back).

> >> This is a good point, and I agree with you to quite some extent. 
> >> However, I still think the option should be available - and could be 
> >> made available - for those who "know what they're doing".
> >
> >   I've seen many posts from users complaining about not being able to
> > unlock the bootloader, who did not seem to know/realize the
> > consequences. But as long *you* know what you're doing, all is fine! :-)
> 
> The more I know about what I'm doing, the less I feel like I know 
> what I'm doing at all...Dunning and Kruger would like a word
> 
> >> I also certainly would not trust any of these services.
> >
> >   I didn't/wouldn't either, but in my case it was try-or-dispose. It
> > worked and was not expensive, IIRC 4 dollars.
> 
> Now I'm very curious what your use case was for this!

  The Android version (of my stone-age Huawei Ascend Y300 phone) was too
old (4.1.1) to be usable (and it was too small (4GB Internal Storage)).
So I wanted to use it as a guinea pig to try to install a 'new' version
of LineageOS, with the intention to then install LineageOS on my
slightly newer/better (then-)current phone. But during the process the
current phone kicked the bucket, so I had a useless phone and a dead
phone, so I bought the Samsung A51. Some technical problems can be solved
by money! :-)

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#147946

On 2025-04-17 17:25, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:
>> On 2025-04-15, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:


>    Before bying this particular model, I studied the needed/available
> (2G/3G/4G) frequency bands in detail, because I needed to use the phone
> in EU countries in Europe and in Australia. Australia's main provider
> (Telstra) with the widest coverage, uses some quite 'special' frequency
> bands (to get that wide coverage), so I had to be sure my phone had
> those bands.
> 
>    Most webshops did not give those details, but my main webshop
> mentioned the exact/full product numbers and Samsung was one of the few
> brands which mentioned these exact product numbers. So I could look at
> the webshop site for a candidate and then lookup its frequence bands on
> the (Dutch) Samsung site.
> 
>    FYI, not that it is of much help, because my phone is already a few
> years old, but my phone (see above) *does* work in the US. Tested on my
> 2023 trip to the Indy 500 (Chicago to Indianapolis and back).

A phone can work in the USA and not have all the bands. It will just not 
work in some places, which can be important or not :-)

Ok, I did not actually travel on the USA, I travelled on Canada, and 
just one tiny USA island with a castle in a river. I would think both 
Canada and USA use the same bands, though.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#147827

On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
> To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone. 
> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.

iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
You do not understand the superiority of the concept.

-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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#147830

On 2025-04-15, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
>> To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone. 
>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
>
> iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
> You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
>

Hmm...it appears Rome has indeed spoken.

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#147831

On 15.04.25 21:59, extra extra wrote:
> On 2025-04-15, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>> On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
>>> To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone. 
>>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
>>
>> iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
>> You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
>>
> 
> Hmm...it appears Rome has indeed spoken.

Caesar has his thumb down.

-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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#147942

Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-15 21:40:

> On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
>> To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone. 
>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
> 
> iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
> You do not understand the superiority of the concept.

I finally got rid of my iPhone since my employer now also supports
Android as a work phone - and I could not be happier with that ;-).


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#147948

On 2025-04-18, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-15 21:40:
>
>> On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
>>> To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone. 
>>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
>> 
>> iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
>> You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
>
> I finally got rid of my iPhone since my employer now also supports
> Android as a work phone - and I could not be happier with that ;-).
>
>

I had an iPhone for work for a while. One day I asked my COO what it 
would take to get an Android phone. He told me I just had to ask.

Galaxy S24 Ultra was delivered in short order... :)

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#147951

On 18.04.25 11:53, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-15 21:40:
> 
>> On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
>>> To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone. 
>>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
>>
>> iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
>> You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
> 
> I finally got rid of my iPhone since my employer now also supports
> Android as a work phone - and I could not be happier with that ;-).

Employers of security sensitive and security conscious companies do not
tolerate Androids in their networks and on their servers.


-- 
"Mille viae ducunt hominem per saecula Romam." (Alanus ab Insulis 1120-1202)

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#147956

On 2025-04-18 16:40, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 18.04.25 11:53, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-15 21:40:
>>
>>> On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
>>>> To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone.
>>>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
>>>
>>> iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
>>> You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
>>
>> I finally got rid of my iPhone since my employer now also supports
>> Android as a work phone - and I could not be happier with that ;-).
> 
> Employers of security sensitive and security conscious companies do not
> tolerate Androids in their networks and on their servers.

Nor iphones. They use instead expensive and secured phones.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#147961

On 18.04.25 21:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-04-18 16:40, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 18.04.25 11:53, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-15 21:40:
>>>
>>>> On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
>>>>> To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone.
>>>>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
>>>>
>>>> iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
>>>> You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
>>>
>>> I finally got rid of my iPhone since my employer now also supports
>>> Android as a work phone - and I could not be happier with that ;-).
>>
>> Employers of security sensitive and security conscious companies do not
>> tolerate Androids in their networks and on their servers.
> 
> Nor iphones. They use instead expensive and secured phones.

This is definetely wrong. Look at Hegseth and the ridiculous defense 
minister of the US of A and his buddies.


-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita" (Augustinus)

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#147964

On 2025-04-19 09:34, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 18.04.25 21:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-04-18 16:40, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 18.04.25 11:53, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-15 21:40:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
>>>>>> To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an 
>>>>>> iPhone.
>>>>>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
>>>>>
>>>>> iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
>>>>> You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
>>>>
>>>> I finally got rid of my iPhone since my employer now also supports
>>>> Android as a work phone - and I could not be happier with that ;-).
>>>
>>> Employers of security sensitive and security conscious companies do not
>>> tolerate Androids in their networks and on their servers.
>>
>> Nor iphones. They use instead expensive and secured phones.
> 
> This is definetely wrong. Look at Hegseth and the ridiculous defense 
> minister of the US of A and his buddies.

That is to be expected of idiots.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#147966

On 19.04.25 13:39, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-04-19 09:34, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 18.04.25 21:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-18 16:40, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> On 18.04.25 11:53, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>>> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-15 21:40:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
>>>>>>> To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an
>>>>>>> iPhone.
>>>>>>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
>>>>>> You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
>>>>>
>>>>> I finally got rid of my iPhone since my employer now also supports
>>>>> Android as a work phone - and I could not be happier with that ;-).
>>>>
>>>> Employers of security sensitive and security conscious companies do not
>>>> tolerate Androids in their networks and on their servers.
>>>
>>> Nor iphones. They use instead expensive and secured phones.
>>
>> This is definetely wrong. Look at Hegseth and the ridiculous defense
>> minister of the US of A and his buddies.
> 
> That is to be expected of idiots.

At least they didn't use *WhatsApp*! In such a case the US of A would 
have a new defense minister ...

*ROTFLSTC*


-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita" (Augustinus)

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#147999

Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-18 16:40:

> On 18.04.25 11:53, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-15 21:40:
>>
>>> On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
>>>> To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone. 
>>>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
>>>
>>> iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
>>> You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
>>
>> I finally got rid of my iPhone since my employer now also supports
>> Android as a work phone - and I could not be happier with that ;-).
> 
> Employers of security sensitive and security conscious companies do not
> tolerate Androids in their networks and on their servers.

You don't know a lot.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#147941

extra extra, 2025-04-15 18:44:

> This morning I awoke to a new launcher, and I hate it. I feel I'm not 
> usually as sensitive to these kinds of updates as others are - the last 
> major instance I can recall bothering me to this degree was when 
> Microsoft did what they did with Windows 8.

Then use the advantages of Android and get a custom launcher like Nova:

<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.launcher&hl=en>



-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#147947

On 2025-04-18 11:52, Arno Welzel wrote:
> extra extra, 2025-04-15 18:44:
> 
>> This morning I awoke to a new launcher, and I hate it. I feel I'm not
>> usually as sensitive to these kinds of updates as others are - the last
>> major instance I can recall bothering me to this degree was when
>> Microsoft did what they did with Windows 8.
> 
> Then use the advantages of Android and get a custom launcher like Nova:
> 
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.launcher&hl=en>

The first three reviews I get are negative.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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