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  Android 16 adds "Advanced Protection" Stan Brown <someone@example.com> - 2025-06-28 07:59 -0700
    Re: Android 16 adds "Advanced Protection" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-28 16:13 +0100
      Re: Android 16 adds "Advanced Protection" Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-06-28 17:51 +0000
        Re: Android 16 adds "Advanced Protection" Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-06-29 11:03 +0200
      Re: Android 16 adds "Advanced Protection" "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-06-28 21:51 +0200
        Re: Android 16 adds "Advanced Protection" Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-06-29 02:55 +0000
        Re: Android 16 adds "Advanced Protection" Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-06-29 11:04 +0200
          Re: Android 16 adds "Advanced Protection" VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-06-29 18:10 -0500
            Re: Android 16 adds "Advanced Protection" Yusuf Khan <yusuf.khan.nospam@ptcl.net.pk> - 2025-06-30 10:51 +0500
            Re: Android 16 adds "Advanced Protection" Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-06-30 19:56 +0200
              Re: Android 16 adds "Advanced Protection" Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-06-30 19:59 +0000
              Re: Android 16 adds "Advanced Protection" VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-07-01 05:51 -0500
    Re: Android 16 adds "Advanced Protection" VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-06-29 18:15 -0500

#149373 — Android 16 adds "Advanced Protection"

I tend to skip Android's self-promotion of new features, but his one 
seems like it's actually useful. I noticed it in a Lifehacketr 
article

> https://lifehacker.com/tech/who-needs-androids-new-advanced-security-protection

Which is based on

> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/googles-advanced-protection-arrives-android-should-you-use-it

For hard information you probably want to go directly to the original 
eff (Electronic Frontier Foundation) article.

Quote from the latter:
"Advanced Protection is easy to turn on and off, so there's no harm 
in giving it a try. Advanced Protection was introduced with Android 
16, so you may need to update your phone. ..."

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I am now reluctantly posting a fake address because of the
large number of sites scraping Usenet articles without
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#149374

Stan Brown wrote:

> I tend to skip Android's self-promotion of new features, but his one
> seems like it's actually useful.
> 
>> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/googles-advanced-protection-arrives-android-should-you-use-it

I thought google only recommended that feature for "prominent" people, 
such as politicians?

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#149377

On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 16:13:24 +0100, Andy Burns wrote :


>> I tend to skip Android's self-promotion of new features, but his one
>> seems like it's actually useful.
>> 
>>> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/googles-advanced-protection-arrives-android-should-you-use-it
> 
> I thought google only recommended that feature for "prominent" people, 
> such as politicians?

My free Galaxy was born in 2021 so it's not going to get Android 16.
Even so, I ask... What's the actual advantages of "advanced protection"?
And disadvantages?

As Andy noted, it's seems to be primarily for "at risk" individuals.
a. It requires a security key (or passkey) for the Google Account
b. It requires trusted apps (primarily loaded from Google's repository)
c. It runs stricter download checks (and will block some downloads)
d. It runs Google Play Protect (but that's not different, is it?)
e. It runs Safe Browse (protection from malicious sites)
f. Automatically reboots after 72 hours of being locked (encrypts data)
g. Prevents data transfer over USB when the phone is locked
h. Allows only "verified apps" (mostly Google) to access account data
i. Anything else?

Apparently it breaks the javascript optimizer in Chrome but more to the
point, apparently we already can do all that stuff already, without it.

Seems to me to be hocus pocus for people who don't know computers.
But, I guess that's most people so maybe it's good for morons out there.

Whaddya think?
Q: What is the actual advantage of "advanced protection"?>
A: ?

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#149394

Marion, 2025-06-28 19:51:

> On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 16:13:24 +0100, Andy Burns wrote :
> 
> 
>>> I tend to skip Android's self-promotion of new features, but his one
>>> seems like it's actually useful.
>>>
>>>> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/googles-advanced-protection-arrives-android-should-you-use-it
>>
>> I thought google only recommended that feature for "prominent" people, 
>> such as politicians?
> 
> My free Galaxy was born in 2021 so it's not going to get Android 16.

What a pity. No more updates just after 4 years?

My Google Pixel 6a was "born" just a year later in 2022, recently got
Android 16 and will get updates for at least 5 years after its release,
which means until some time in 2027.

> Even so, I ask... What's the actual advantages of "advanced protection"?

Read the linked article:

<https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/googles-advanced-protection-arrives-android-should-you-use-it>

> And disadvantages?

Depends on what you personally consider a "disadvantage". Higher
security always comes with less freedom of choices like not being able
to use direct app downloads on websites instead of Google Play.

> Whaddya think?
> Q: What is the actual advantage of "advanced protection"?>
> A: ?

Better protection against certain known threats.

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Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#149382

On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 16:13:24 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> I thought google only recommended that feature for "prominent" people, 
> such as politicians?

I've taken a look at it; not going to activate it.

-- 
s|b

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#149392

On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 21:51:11 +0200, s|b wrote :


>> I thought google only recommended that feature for "prominent" people, 
>> such as politicians?
> 
> I've taken a look at it; not going to activate it.

I'm in agreement with s|b on the "just not gonna do it" camp.

When I looked at it (for the first time) today, I realized it's for people
who don't know anything about phones (which means, it's not for any of us).

Plus, it is for people who (almost) *exclusively* use only Google products.
Which means, additionally, it's not for me. 

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#149395

s|b, 2025-06-28 21:51:

> On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 16:13:24 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> I thought google only recommended that feature for "prominent" people, 
>> such as politicians?
> 
> I've taken a look at it; not going to activate it.

Me neither. It's too restrictive for my daily use and I also use apps
from F-Droid and not only Google Play.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#149418

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

> s|b, 2025-06-28 21:51:
> 
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 16:13:24 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
>> 
>>> I thought google only recommended that feature for "prominent" people, 
>>> such as politicians?
>> 
>> I've taken a look at it; not going to activate it.
> 
> Me neither. It's too restrictive for my daily use and I also use apps
> from F-Droid and not only Google Play.

Couldn't you disable the protection, get the F-droid app to install it,
and reenable the protection?  That is, once an app is installed, is the
added protection going to kill/disable any app that wasn't acquired
through Google Play?

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#149422

On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 18:10:32 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

> Couldn't you disable the protection, get the F-droid app to install it,
> and reenable the protection?  That is, once an app is installed, is the
> added protection going to kill/disable any app that wasn't acquired
> through Google Play?

The primary goal of APP is to prevent malicious apps from getting onto your
device in the first place by controlling installation sources. It also
limits third-party app access to your Google Account data. It doesn't
typically "kill/disable" apps already installed that weren't from Google
Play, but it definitely restricts new installations and updates from
unapproved sources.



https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/9764949?hl=en

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#149431

VanguardLH, 2025-06-30 01:10:

> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> 
>> s|b, 2025-06-28 21:51:
>>
>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 16:13:24 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought google only recommended that feature for "prominent" people, 
>>>> such as politicians?
>>>
>>> I've taken a look at it; not going to activate it.
>>
>> Me neither. It's too restrictive for my daily use and I also use apps
>> from F-Droid and not only Google Play.
> 
> Couldn't you disable the protection, get the F-droid app to install it,
> and reenable the protection?  That is, once an app is installed, is the
> added protection going to kill/disable any app that wasn't acquired
> through Google Play?

First I don't want to fiddle around with this and second I expect then
that I don't get any updates from F-Droid any longer, since F-Droid
won't be allowed to install apps any more.



-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#149434

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 19:56:38 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


>> Couldn't you disable the protection, get the F-droid app to install it,
>> and reenable the protection?  That is, once an app is installed, is the
>> added protection going to kill/disable any app that wasn't acquired
>> through Google Play?
> 
> First I don't want to fiddle around with this and second I expect then
> that I don't get any updates from F-Droid any longer, since F-Droid
> won't be allowed to install apps any more.

I'll never disagree with a logically sensible statement, where I looked up
whether or not you get updates if you install first from F-Droid (or
wherever) and then you turn on Advanced Protection.

Apparently, as Arno stated, you don't get any more updates, whether
automatic or manual. 

What I find amusing, which probably most people won't understand the humor
of, is *Google is mostly offering protection against itself*.

Me?
I don't have a google account set up on the phone.

So much of what Advanced Protection is protecting me from, doesn't exist.

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#149444

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

> VanguardLH:
> 
>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> s|b:
>>>
>>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I thought google only recommended that feature for "prominent" people, 
>>>>> such as politicians?
>>>>
>>>> I've taken a look at it; not going to activate it.
>>>
>>> Me neither. It's too restrictive for my daily use and I also use apps
>>> from F-Droid and not only Google Play.
>> 
>> Couldn't you disable the protection, get the F-droid app to install it,
>> and reenable the protection?  That is, once an app is installed, is the
>> added protection going to kill/disable any app that wasn't acquired
>> through Google Play?
> 
> First I don't want to fiddle around with this and second I expect then
> that I don't get any updates from F-Droid any longer, since F-Droid
> won't be allowed to install apps any more.

I saw something later that the advanced protection would interfere with
side-loaded apps.  You might get them installed by temporarily disabling
the protection, but apparently once enabled then the side-loaded apps
(not obtained at the Play Store and managed by the Play Store app) won't
work, anyway.

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#149420

Stan Brown <someone@example.com> wrote:

> I tend to skip Android's self-promotion of new features, but his one 
> seems like it's actually useful. I noticed it in a Lifehacketr 
> article
> 
>> https://lifehacker.com/tech/who-needs-androids-new-advanced-security-protection
> 
> Which is based on
> 
>> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/googles-advanced-protection-arrives-android-should-you-use-it
> 
> For hard information you probably want to go directly to the original 
> eff (Electronic Frontier Foundation) article.
> 
> Quote from the latter:
> "Advanced Protection is easy to turn on and off, so there's no harm 
> in giving it a try. Advanced Protection was introduced with Android 
> 16, so you may need to update your phone. ..."

"won’t launch until later this year."

A nail in the coffin for looking at a replacement phone this year.  Wait
until yet another major release of the OS (if you want the features).
Another nail is the EU forcing phone makers to return to [re]designing
phones to have user-serviceable batteries by February 2027, so maybe
about 2 years before I replace my ancient phone.

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