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| First post | 2025-01-31 17:48 +0000 |
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Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-31 17:48 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-31 19:09 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-01-31 19:26 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-31 21:18 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-31 23:19 +0100
The "label" command (Was: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows &) Android editors gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-01-31 22:24 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-31 22:25 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-01-31 22:38 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-31 23:39 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-01-31 22:48 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> - 2025-02-01 00:22 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-01 06:03 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-02-01 10:15 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-01 18:45 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-01 18:51 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-02-01 19:17 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-01 20:43 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-01 19:57 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-02-01 20:18 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-01 21:36 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-02 11:39 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-01 19:56 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-01 21:42 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-02 05:11 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-02 14:41 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-02 18:20 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-02-02 13:20 -0700
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-02 22:28 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-02-02 17:01 -0700
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-03 08:13 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-02-03 05:19 -0700
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-03 19:01 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-02 23:20 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-02 22:51 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-02-02 14:08 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-27 00:07 +1000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-26 21:37 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-27 20:23 +1000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-27 14:15 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-02-01 19:09 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-01 19:38 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-01 14:55 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-01 19:16 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-01 20:54 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-02 03:21 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-02 14:43 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 00:01 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-03 01:59 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 03:06 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-03 13:28 +0100
What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-02-03 13:09 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-03 14:34 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-03 10:47 -0500
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-27 20:30 +1000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-03 15:15 -0500
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-05 10:25 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-05 09:32 -0500
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-05 20:46 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-27 20:39 +1000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-03 15:42 -0500
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 22:40 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-07 21:45 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-04 15:41 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) - 2025-02-04 21:10 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-05 10:18 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 00:05 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-05 20:04 -0500
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-06 20:17 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 21:02 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-07 21:47 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-08 03:28 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-08 10:18 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-08 23:35 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-10 08:47 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-10 10:55 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-11 01:00 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-13 19:59 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-13 22:15 +0000
[OT] Storage technology "back then" (was Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? [...]) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-14 02:10 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-18 11:56 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-18 21:55 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-21 09:12 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-21 23:35 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-25 18:27 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-25 18:25 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-26 08:53 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-26 13:10 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-26 15:02 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 20:28 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-26 08:54 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-26 08:49 +0100
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-21 14:12 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-14 21:34 +1000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-14 12:54 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-16 21:29 +1000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-16 14:13 +0000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-17 21:00 +1000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-27 20:27 +1000
Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-04-27 10:29 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-02 04:16 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-02 05:40 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-02 06:05 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-02 21:34 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 00:01 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-03 09:42 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 20:54 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-08 04:22 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-02 15:07 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-02 23:42 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-03 02:21 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 03:05 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-03 09:59 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 03:01 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-03 19:12 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-05 10:30 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-05 11:31 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-05 14:27 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-05 14:35 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-06 20:21 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 20:57 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-06 23:58 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-07 05:57 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-07 10:30 +0100
Editing binary data with editors - or is there no difference of text and binary? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-07 10:57 +0100
Re: Editing binary data with editors - or is there no difference of text and binary? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-07 11:44 +0100
Re: Editing binary data with editors - or is there no difference of text and binary? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-07 14:39 +0100
Re: Editing binary data with editors - or is there no difference of text and binary? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-07 19:39 +0100
Re: Editing binary data with editors - or is there no difference of text and binary? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-08 03:26 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-05 18:12 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-05 23:14 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-06 20:22 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 20:57 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-07 21:50 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-08 03:27 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-02 03:21 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-02 15:07 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-02 03:20 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-01 05:40 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-01 16:34 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-02-01 16:29 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-01 18:10 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-02 15:44 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-03 10:40 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-03 15:14 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-04 10:01 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-04 13:22 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-04 19:51 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-04 23:12 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-02 15:24 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-02 15:50 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-02 16:04 +0100
[meta] posting mistake Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-02 16:26 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-02 16:29 +0000
ext4 on Android (Was: blah, blah, blah...) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-02-02 16:37 +0000
Re: ext4 on Android (Was: blah, blah, blah...) Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-03 09:14 +0000
ext4 on Android (Was: blah, blah, blah...) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-03 15:16 +0100
Re: ext4 on Android (Was: blah, blah, blah...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 21:59 +0000
Re: ext4 on Android Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-04 10:23 +0000
Re: ext4 on Android (Was: blah, blah, blah...) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-04 22:48 +0000
Re: ext4 on Android (Was: blah, blah, blah...) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-25 23:16 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 21:57 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-03 19:00 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 22:01 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-05 18:50 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-05 14:26 -0500
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 00:16 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-06 20:50 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-03 19:58 -0500
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-04 01:15 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-04 00:24 -0500
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-04 21:40 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-02-04 22:11 +0000
External media file systems (was Re: ...) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-05 02:24 +0100
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-04 22:06 -0500
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-05 04:41 +0000
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-05 04:43 +0000
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-05 02:10 -0500
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-05 17:40 +0100
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-05 18:50 +0000
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 00:11 +0000
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-05 20:59 -0500
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 03:04 +0000
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-05 22:48 -0500
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 21:00 +0000
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-06 16:20 -0500
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 22:42 +0000
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-07 00:44 -0500
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-07 06:00 +0000
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-05 17:38 +0100
Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 00:06 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 21:56 +0000
A little bit of discussion between Janis and me (Was: Stupid suggestion(s) for "portable" "memory" using Windows & Android "editors") gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-02-02 14:53 +0000
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-01 20:59 +0100
Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-02 22:54 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-06 22:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <vo3dp0$35e4t$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146639 |
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 15:42:50 -0500, Paul wrote: > Flash could last forever... if we could anneal it to repair defects in > the cells. But we're not there yet, and might never make it there. Certainly the vendors of flash storage have no financial incentive to take us there.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-02-07 21:45 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <m0n9o2Fc0mmU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146708 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-06 23:40: > On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 15:42:50 -0500, Paul wrote: > >> Flash could last forever... if we could anneal it to repair defects in >> the cells. But we're not there yet, and might never make it there. > > Certainly the vendors of flash storage have no financial incentive to take > us there. And I don't think there is need for that. In the last 20 years I had only few cases where SD cards or SSDs stopped working properly. But I never lost data, since this was always backup up or stored redundant on multiple media or locations. So I don't have any use for flash storage which lasts "forever". I also never experienced any failure of internal flash storage in smartphones or my smartwatch - and the smartwatch (Samsung Gear S3) is now about 7 years in constant use and I use smartphones usually for at least 5 years. On the other hand: for an old "pocket" computer in my collection, a Sharp PC-E500S [1] I got an FRAM module - this keep data "forever" (more than 10 years of data retention time and 10^10 to 10^15 write cycles), but this kind of storage is way too expensive for more than just a few megabytes of memory. [1] <https://arnowelzel.de/en/projects/technology-museum/pocket-computers/sharp-pc-e500s> -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-04 15:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <vntfvq.das.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146631 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-02-03 14:09, Kenny McCormack wrote: > > In article <m0br40Ff8v9U2@mid.individual.net>, > > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: > > ... > >>> I don't call an SSD a flash media. > >> > >> Why not? SSD *is* flash storage. Just because there is a controller > >> which takes care of wear leveling, the storage technology itself is not > >> different to that of SD cards. > > > > Chill out, man. > > > > People often use terminology in idiosyncratic ways. That doesn't make them > > wrong. I understand Carlo's frame of reference, and I accept it. You > > should do likewise. > > > > Just for one example: > > In some circles, unless it is a 4 footed mammal, it is not an "animal". > > > > I assume Carlo's use of terminology is similar. > > > > This minute, I do not know how to name SSDs. I'm confused. To avoid this kind of senseless non-discussions, I tend to call things as they are normally called, not by their technology. AFAIC, using the term "flash card"/"flash media" is outdated and ambiguous terminology. So SSD, (Micro)SD-card, USB memory-stick (not just USB stick, as there are other type of USB sticks), etc.. If needed, add the capacity or/and subtype (i.e. SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC). 'Problem' solved.
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| From | mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) |
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| Date | 2025-02-04 21:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <MR2cnWSMOcjLHz_6nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #146650 |
> Frank Slootweg wrote: > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas> wrote: >> On 2025-02-03 14:09, Kenny McCormack wrote: >> In article <m0br40Ff8v9U2>, >> Arno Welzel <usenet> wrote: >> ... >> I don't call an SSD a flash media. >> >> Why not? SSD *is* flash storage. Just because there is a controller >> which takes care of wear leveling, the storage technology itself is not >> different to that of SD cards. >> >> Chill out, man. >> >> People often use terminology in idiosyncratic ways. That doesn't make them >> wrong. I understand Carlo's frame of reference, and I accept it. You >> should do likewise. >> >> Just for one example: >> In some circles, unless it is a 4 footed mammal, it is not an "animal". >> >> I assume Carlo's use of terminology is similar. >> >> >> This minute, I do not know how to name SSDs. I'm confused. > > To avoid this kind of senseless non-discussions, I tend to call things > as they are normally called, not by their technology. AFAIC, using the > term "flash card"/"flash media" is outdated and ambiguous terminology. > > So SSD, (Micro)SD-card, USB memory-stick (not just USB stick, as there > are other type of USB sticks), etc.. If needed, add the capacity or/and > subtype (i.e. SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC). 'Problem' solved. Good advice This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=682928603#682928603
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-02-05 10:18 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <m0gon3Faa5cU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146630 |
Kenny McCormack, 2025-02-03 14:09: > In article <m0br40Ff8v9U2@mid.individual.net>, > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: > ... >>> I don't call an SSD a flash media. >> >> Why not? SSD *is* flash storage. Just because there is a controller >> which takes care of wear leveling, the storage technology itself is not >> different to that of SD cards. > > Chill out, man. > > People often use terminology in idiosyncratic ways. That doesn't make them > wrong. I understand Carlo's frame of reference, and I accept it. You > should do likewise. I was just not sure, if Carlo thinks, that SSD is not flash media but something different - and that's the reason why it is called "solid state disk" and not "flash media disk". JFTR: In the past there were in fact SSDs based on RAM chips with battery backup - for example the "memory cards" of some pocket computers or programmable calculators. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-06 00:05 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <vo0ubp$2k46v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146665 |
On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 10:18:28 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: > ... that's the reason why it is called "solid state disk" and not "flash > media disk". > > JFTR: In the past there were in fact SSDs based on RAM chips with > battery backup - for example the "memory cards" of some pocket computers > or programmable calculators. But those were never called “solid state disks” though, where they.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-05 20:04 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <vo11rf$2klu4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146680 |
On Wed, 2/5/2025 7:05 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 10:18:28 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:
>
>> ... that's the reason why it is called "solid state disk" and not "flash
>> media disk".
>>
>> JFTR: In the past there were in fact SSDs based on RAM chips with
>> battery backup - for example the "memory cards" of some pocket computers
>> or programmable calculators.
>
> But those were never called “solid state disks” though, where they.
>
Gigabyte iRAM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-RAM
"The i-RAM was a PCI card-mounted, battery-backed RAM disk that behaved
and was marketed as a solid-state storage device."
Someone held a patent, which may have caused those to go away.
One other problem with those, is their SATA info (emulation of a SATA) was
a bit incomplete for some purposes. Someone took an Areca RAID card and plugged
those in, and the Areca did not find the metadata palatable enough for the job.
Maybe missing a serial number or something. Thus, hopes were dashed at the
time, of setting a benchmark record :-)
I expect there are unemployed engineers running some home-brew ones
of those in their basement. That is about as close as poor people
will get to owning one.
Paul
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-02-06 20:17 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <m0kg75FsnacU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146680 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-06 01:05: > On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 10:18:28 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: > >> ... that's the reason why it is called "solid state disk" and not "flash >> media disk". >> >> JFTR: In the past there were in fact SSDs based on RAM chips with >> battery backup - for example the "memory cards" of some pocket computers >> or programmable calculators. > > But those were never called “solid state disks” though, where they. Correct - "solid state drive" and not "solid state disk". However this is by definition a drive which does not have moving parts. If this is achieved by using battery powered RAM or flash memory is not important for that definition. Also see: <https://www.techtarget.com/searchstorage/definition/RAM-based-solid-state-drive-SSD> And Atto still offers RAM based SSDs: <https://www.atto.com/products/silicondisk-storage-appliance/> -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-06 21:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <vo380k$34a3i$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146693 |
On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 20:17:57 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-06 01:05: > >> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 10:18:28 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: >> >>> ... that's the reason why it is called "solid state disk" and not >>> "flash media disk". >>> >>> JFTR: In the past there were in fact SSDs based on RAM chips with >>> battery backup - for example the "memory cards" of some pocket >>> computers or programmable calculators. >> >> But those were never called “solid state disks” though, where they. > > Correct - "solid state drive" and not "solid state disk". Neither.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-02-07 21:47 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <m0n9r5Fc0mmU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146705 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-06 22:02: > On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 20:17:57 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-06 01:05: >> >>> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 10:18:28 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: >>> >>>> ... that's the reason why it is called "solid state disk" and not >>>> "flash media disk". >>>> >>>> JFTR: In the past there were in fact SSDs based on RAM chips with >>>> battery backup - for example the "memory cards" of some pocket >>>> computers or programmable calculators. >>> >>> But those were never called “solid state disks” though, where they. >> >> Correct - "solid state drive" and not "solid state disk". > > Neither. Well, you can ignore the real world, that's your choice. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-08 03:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <vo6j0u$3p489$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146731 |
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 21:47:34 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-06 22:02: > >> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 20:17:57 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: >> >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-06 01:05: >>> >>>> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 10:18:28 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: >>>> >>>>> ... that's the reason why it is called "solid state disk" and not >>>>> "flash media disk". >>>>> >>>>> JFTR: In the past there were in fact SSDs based on RAM chips with >>>>> battery backup - for example the "memory cards" of some pocket >>>>> computers or programmable calculators. >>>> >>>> But those were never called “solid state disks” though, where they. >>> >>> Correct - "solid state drive" and not "solid state disk". >> >> Neither. > > Well, you can ignore the real world, that's your choice. You have no idea how long the concept of non-volatile RAM has been around, do you?
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-02-08 10:18 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <m0olqtFj22lU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146740 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-08 04:28: > On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 21:47:34 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-06 22:02: >> >>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 20:17:57 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: >>> >>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-06 01:05: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 10:18:28 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ... that's the reason why it is called "solid state disk" and not >>>>>> "flash media disk". >>>>>> >>>>>> JFTR: In the past there were in fact SSDs based on RAM chips with >>>>>> battery backup - for example the "memory cards" of some pocket >>>>>> computers or programmable calculators. >>>>> >>>>> But those were never called “solid state disks” though, where they. >>>> >>>> Correct - "solid state drive" and not "solid state disk". >>> >>> Neither. >> >> Well, you can ignore the real world, that's your choice. > > You have no idea how long the concept of non-volatile RAM has been around, > do you? I have. I've been working in the IT business since the late 1980ies and used RAM based solid-state drives as well (yes, the ones for PCs and servers as well not just battery backed memory cards for pocket computers). Did you at least read what I linked to? <https://www.techtarget.com/searchstorage/definition/RAM-based-solid-state-drive-SSD> But as I said... everybody is free to ignore the real world. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-08 23:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <vo8poc$8tqo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146743 |
On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 10:18:22 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-08 04:28: > >> You have no idea how long the concept of non-volatile RAM has been >> around, do you? > > I have. I've been working in the IT business since the late 1980ies and > used RAM based solid-state drives as well ... So you never used core memory.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-02-10 08:47 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <m0tp8qFdkfhU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146747 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-09 00:35: > On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 10:18:22 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-08 04:28: >> >>> You have no idea how long the concept of non-volatile RAM has been >>> around, do you? >> >> I have. I've been working in the IT business since the late 1980ies and >> used RAM based solid-state drives as well ... > > So you never used core memory. Correct. But core memory is not intended as *persistent* memory, even when it can be used this way. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-10 10:55 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <vocpe8.8gc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146751 |
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-09 00:35: > > > On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 10:18:22 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: > > > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-08 04:28: > >> > >>> You have no idea how long the concept of non-volatile RAM has been > >>> around, do you? > >> > >> I have. I've been working in the IT business since the late 1980ies and > >> used RAM based solid-state drives as well ... > > > > So you never used core memory. > > Correct. But core memory is not intended as *persistent* memory, even > when it can be used this way. More to the point, the - 'conveniently', silently snipped - context was "solid state drive", i.e. mass storage, not a computer's working storage, so core memory is not relevant But yes, I have used core memory, all whopping 8-64KB of them (and even less if you count the (programmable) 'calculators' of the late 60s).
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-11 01:00 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <voe7ev$1f0us$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146751 |
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 08:47:39 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-09 00:35: > >> So you never used core memory. > > Correct. But core memory is not intended as *persistent* memory, even > when it can be used this way. It was indeed regularly used that way. Consider that, on machines from the core memory era, there was no “boot ROM”. The first-stage bootloader was typically around a dozen machine instructions or so, which had to be hand- entered using front-panel switches. (No doubt seasoned operators had this memorized.) It was handy that this could be preserved across power cycles, assuming it didn’t get overwritten by some wayward buggy program. Then there were applications that ran without an OS as such. For example, on the PDP-8, you could load a BASIC interpreter. This would take about 20 minutes to load off paper tape. So the fact that a power cycle did not wipe memory was helpful if you had a lot of BASIC programs to run.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-02-13 19:59 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <m16tokFs58qU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146753 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-11 02:00: > On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 08:47:39 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-09 00:35: >> >>> So you never used core memory. >> >> Correct. But core memory is not intended as *persistent* memory, even >> when it can be used this way. > > It was indeed regularly used that way. Consider that, on machines from the Anyway - the memory was "RAM" and not "mass storage". -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-13 22:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <volqti$33ijk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146794 |
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 19:59:35 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-11 02:00: > >> On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 08:47:39 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: >> >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-09 00:35: >>> >>>> So you never used core memory. >>> >>> Correct. But core memory is not intended as *persistent* memory, even >>> when it can be used this way. >> >> It was indeed regularly used that way. Consider that, on machines from >> the core memory era ... > > Anyway - the memory was "RAM" and not "mass storage". Neither term was used back then. I certainly didn’t use them in this context.
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| From | Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-14 02:10 +0100 |
| Subject | [OT] Storage technology "back then" (was Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? [...]) |
| Message-ID | <vom56b$35bss$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146797 |
On 13.02.2025 23:15, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 19:59:35 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: >> >> Anyway - the memory was "RAM" and not "mass storage". > > Neither term was used back then. Well, this is not exactly reflecting the situation "back then". (And I also don't think we should focus on terms[*] if we discuss technology.) If you read old books about storage technology you find that these characteristics are described; e.g. the direct addressing property (RAM, random access memory), or the property to store practically unlimited amounts of information (mass storage). There were also other properties of storage memory described and all storage types with their properties were seen in a much wider and differentiated context. > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> previously wrote: >> >> Correct. But core memory is not intended as *persistent* memory, even >> when it can be used this way. There's no "intention"; persistence is just a _property_ of various storage technologies (including ferrite-core memory). Janis [*] Terms like the shortcut "RAM" (for example) is not the essential thing. It's the storages' properties; "back then" they considered these properties less on a buzz-word-abbreviated-marketing-level but more based on concrete physical properties. That's what I perceived (hereabouts) and what can be read in old books[**] about it. (YMMV.) [**] For the interested people, see for example: Karl Steinbuch, "Taschenbuch der Nachrichtenverarbeitung", 2. Auflage, Springer Verlag, Berlin/Heidelberg/New York, 1967 - on pages 475-603. On 13.02.2025 23:15, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > I certainly didn’t use them in this context.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 11:56 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors |
| Message-ID | <m1j7b8Fq6p8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146797 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-13 23:15: > On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 19:59:35 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-11 02:00: >> >>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 08:47:39 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote: >>> >>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-09 00:35: >>>> >>>>> So you never used core memory. >>>> >>>> Correct. But core memory is not intended as *persistent* memory, even >>>> when it can be used this way. >>> >>> It was indeed regularly used that way. Consider that, on machines from >>> the core memory era ... >> >> Anyway - the memory was "RAM" and not "mass storage". > > Neither term was used back then. I certainly didn’t use them in this > context. It does not matter, if you use that term. I talk about the real world usage. And core memory is not *intended* to be non volatile storage, even if it is technically possible to keep information without powering the memory. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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