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  Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-05-15 17:10 -0700
    Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document "Jan K." <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> - 2024-05-16 04:03 +0200
      Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-05-16 14:25 +1200
      Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-05-16 09:49 +0200
    Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-05-16 10:28 +0000
      Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-16 13:28 +0000
        Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-05-16 15:32 +0000
          Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-16 19:29 +0000
          Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-05-17 18:12 -0700
      Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-05-17 18:11 -0700
    Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Gordinator <gordinator@gordinator.org> - 2024-05-16 20:22 +0100
      Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-05-16 20:10 +0000
        Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-16 20:17 +0000
          Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Gordinator <gordinator@gordinator.org> - 2024-05-16 21:57 +0100
            Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-16 21:17 +0000
              Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Gordinator <gordinator@gordinator.org> - 2024-05-16 22:25 +0100
      Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-16 20:12 +0000
        Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Gordinator <gordinator@gordinator.org> - 2024-05-16 22:24 +0100
          Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-16 23:49 +0000
            Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-05-17 19:34 +0000
              Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-17 13:18 -0700
              Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-17 20:54 +0000
                Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-17 13:55 -0700
                  Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2024-05-17 17:04 -0500
                    Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-17 15:54 -0700
                    Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-17 23:37 +0000
                    Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-18 00:26 +0000
                      Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-17 18:00 -0700
                        Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-22 09:33 -0700
                        Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-22 16:27 +0000
                          Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-05-24 10:30 -0400
                            Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-24 15:53 +0000
                              Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-24 18:07 -0700
                              Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-05-26 14:38 -0400
                        Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-05-22 11:07 -0400
                          Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-05-24 09:44 -0700
                            Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-24 18:08 -0700
                              Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-05-26 13:05 -0400
                                Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-05-26 13:52 -0700
                                Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-26 13:54 -0700
              Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-05-17 18:22 -0700
                Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-18 12:59 +0000
                  Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-18 10:29 -0700
                    Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2024-05-18 17:07 -0500
                      Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-18 15:39 -0700
                Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-05-19 10:02 +0000
                  Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-19 10:00 -0700
                  Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-19 18:56 +0000
                    Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-19 19:02 +0000
                      Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-19 19:18 +0000
                        Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-19 19:27 +0000
                          Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-19 19:29 +0000
                            Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-19 19:32 +0000
                              Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-19 20:07 +0000
                                Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-19 22:36 +0000
                                Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-19 19:30 -0700
    Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-05-18 07:51 +0100

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#141254

On 5/17/2024 12:34 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

<snip>

>    For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
> memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
> Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
> much, much more convenient.

And then carry around a separate device?!

If you like to store large quantities of photos, music or audiobooks or 
video content on your phone then the MicroSD card expansion is great. 
That said, none of the phones I currently use have a MicroSD card slot.

You're pretty much limited to very low end phones if you want a MicroSD 
card slot and/or a headphone jack, with the exception of the Sony XPERIA 
phones (which can cost more than an iPhone Pro Max model).

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#141269

sms wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 18:22:21 -0700 :

>>    For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
>> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
>> memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
>> Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
>> much, much more convenient.
> 
> And then carry around a separate device?!
> 
> If you like to store large quantities of photos, music or audiobooks or 
> video content on your phone then the MicroSD card expansion is great. 
> That said, none of the phones I currently use have a MicroSD card slot.

Keep in mind that "portable" storage means different things, none of which
an iPhone can do, but all of which an Android phone with an sd card can do.

#1. Sure it means "expanding" the memory - but almost nobody does that
    (as it's too slow and limiting in a variety of ways we all know about).

#2. And just as sure, it means "extending" the memory - but everyone knows
    that also - which is what most people do to store pictures & videos.

#3. Also, just as surely, it means popping the card into another device
    (usually a PC) for the purpose of backing up or moving data.

#4. But what very few people understand it also means you can swap the 
    card out of your old phone into your new phone and EVERYTHING works!

None of that can an iPhone do (which is one reason iPhones are severely
limited, not only in lack of software functionality, but hardware too).

> You're pretty much limited to very low end phones if you want a MicroSD 
> card slot and/or a headphone jack, with the exception of the Sony XPERIA 
> phones (which can cost more than an iPhone Pro Max model).

 *The best Android phones with expandable memory*
 <https://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-phones-expandable-memory-696913/>

Sony Xperia 1 V
MSRP: $1,399.99

Sony Xperia 10 V
MSRP: 449.00 Euros

Samsung Galaxy A55
MSRP: $470.00

Samsung Galaxy A35
MSRP: $400.00

Motorola Moto G Power 5G (2024)
MSRP: $299.99

Samsung Galaxy A15 5G
MSRP: $200.00

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#141280

On 2024-05-18 05:59, Andrew wrote:
> sms wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 18:22:21 -0700 :
> 
>>>     For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
>>> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
>>> memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
>>> Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
>>> much, much more convenient.
>>
>> And then carry around a separate device?!
>>
>> If you like to store large quantities of photos, music or audiobooks or
>> video content on your phone then the MicroSD card expansion is great.
>> That said, none of the phones I currently use have a MicroSD card slot.
> 
> Keep in mind that "portable" storage means different things, none of which
> an iPhone can do, but all of which an Android phone with an sd card can do.

Keep in mind that that which follows is pretty much all bullshit...

> 
> #1. Sure it means "expanding" the memory - but almost nobody does that
>      (as it's too slow and limiting in a variety of ways we all know about).

"almost nobody does that" would mean "almost nobody does" virtual memory...

...and both Android and iOS definitely DO employ virtual memory.


> 
> #2. And just as sure, it means "extending" the memory - but everyone knows
>      that also - which is what most people do to store pictures & videos.

And now the doofus mixes his use of the term "memory".

"memory" on a computing device has always been used to refer to "random 
access memory" which is volatile and where data is store when being 
access by the CPU to execute instructions.

So MEMORY is NEVER used to "store pictures & videos": that is STORAGE.

"Storage" is used to refer to the non-volatile medium used to store data 
long term.

But more on the reference to '"extending" the memory' in a moment.

> 
> #3. Also, just as surely, it means popping the card into another device
>      (usually a PC) for the purpose of backing up or moving data.

Hmmmmm...

If you "extend" the "memory" (actually storage)...

...wouldn't that mean that only SOME of the data is on the removable 
storage?

> 
> #4. But what very few people understand it also means you can swap the
>      card out of your old phone into your new phone and EVERYTHING works!

And wouldn't it also mean that "EVERYTHING" isn't ON the removable storage?

> 
> None of that can an iPhone do (which is one reason iPhones are severely
> limited, not only in lack of software functionality, but hardware too).

My iPhone backs itself up to the cloud, but if I preferred, I could have 
it back up to my computer.

> 
>> You're pretty much limited to very low end phones if you want a MicroSD
>> card slot and/or a headphone jack, with the exception of the Sony XPERIA
>> phones (which can cost more than an iPhone Pro Max model).
> 
>   *The best Android phones with expandable memory*

Storage not memory.

>   <https://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-phones-expandable-memory-696913/>
> 
> Sony Xperia 1 V
> MSRP: $1,399.99

So to transfer between devices as you suggest...

...you have to disable your phone twice (once to take it out, once to 
put it back in)...

...because:

'microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)'

> 
> Sony Xperia 10 V
> MSRP: 449.00 Euros

Same.

> 
> Samsung Galaxy A55
> MSRP: $470.00

Same.

> 
> Samsung Galaxy A35
> MSRP: $400.00


Same.
> 
> Motorola Moto G Power 5G (2024)
> MSRP: $299.99

At least this one has a dedicated slot...

> 
> Samsung Galaxy A15 5G
> MSRP: $200.00

...but then we're back to a slot shared with the SIM!

And having to temporarily deactivate the phone's most important 
functions just to transfer data seems...

...pretty impractical to me.

And to put it in perspective, less than a quarter of the Android phones 
released in the last 3 years have separate card slots for storage.

And only about 60% have any kind of storage card support at all.

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#141282

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-05-18 05:59, Andrew wrote:
>> sms wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 18:22:21 -0700 :
>>
>>>>     For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
>>>> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
>>>> memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
>>>> Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
>>>> much, much more convenient.
>>>
>>> And then carry around a separate device?!
>>>
>>> If you like to store large quantities of photos, music or audiobooks or
>>> video content on your phone then the MicroSD card expansion is great.
>>> That said, none of the phones I currently use have a MicroSD card slot.
>>
>> Keep in mind that "portable" storage means different things, none of which
>> an iPhone can do, but all of which an Android phone with an sd card can do.
> 
> Keep in mind that that which follows is pretty much all bullshit...
> 
>>
>> #1. Sure it means "expanding" the memory - but almost nobody does that
>>      (as it's too slow and limiting in a variety of ways we all know about).
> 
> "almost nobody does that" would mean "almost nobody does" virtual memory...
> 
> ...and both Android and iOS definitely DO employ virtual memory.
> 
> 
>>
>> #2. And just as sure, it means "extending" the memory - but everyone knows
>>      that also - which is what most people do to store pictures & videos.
> 
> And now the doofus mixes his use of the term "memory".
> 
> "memory" on a computing device has always been used to refer to "random 
> access memory" which is volatile and where data is store when being access 
> by the CPU to execute instructions.
> 
> So MEMORY is NEVER used to "store pictures & videos": that is STORAGE.
> 
> "Storage" is used to refer to the non-volatile medium used to store data 
> long term.
> 
> But more on the reference to '"extending" the memory' in a moment.
> 
>>
>> #3. Also, just as surely, it means popping the card into another device
>>      (usually a PC) for the purpose of backing up or moving data.
> 
> Hmmmmm...
> 
> If you "extend" the "memory" (actually storage)...
> 
> ...wouldn't that mean that only SOME of the data is on the removable storage?
> 
>>
>> #4. But what very few people understand it also means you can swap the
>>      card out of your old phone into your new phone and EVERYTHING works!
> 
> And wouldn't it also mean that "EVERYTHING" isn't ON the removable storage?
> 
>>
>> None of that can an iPhone do (which is one reason iPhones are severely
>> limited, not only in lack of software functionality, but hardware too).
> 
> My iPhone backs itself up to the cloud, but if I preferred, I could have it 
> back up to my computer.
> 
>>
>>> You're pretty much limited to very low end phones if you want a MicroSD
>>> card slot and/or a headphone jack, with the exception of the Sony XPERIA
>>> phones (which can cost more than an iPhone Pro Max model).
>>
>>   *The best Android phones with expandable memory*
> 
> Storage not memory.
> 
>>   
>> <https://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-phones-expandable-memory-696913/> 
>>
>>
>> Sony Xperia 1 V
>> MSRP: $1,399.99
> 
> So to transfer between devices as you suggest...
> 
> ...you have to disable your phone twice (once to take it out, once to put 
> it back in)...
> 
> ...because:
> 
> 'microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)'
> 
>>
>> Sony Xperia 10 V
>> MSRP: 449.00 Euros
> 
> Same.
> 
>>
>> Samsung Galaxy A55
>> MSRP: $470.00
> 
> Same.
> 
>>
>> Samsung Galaxy A35
>> MSRP: $400.00
> 
> 
> Same.
>>
>> Motorola Moto G Power 5G (2024)
>> MSRP: $299.99
> 
> At least this one has a dedicated slot...
> 
>>
>> Samsung Galaxy A15 5G
>> MSRP: $200.00
> 
> ...but then we're back to a slot shared with the SIM!
> 
> And having to temporarily deactivate the phone's most important functions 
> just to transfer data seems...
> 
> ...pretty impractical to me.
> 
> And to put it in perspective, less than a quarter of the Android phones 
> released in the last 3 years have separate card slots for storage.
> 
> And only about 60% have any kind of storage card support at all.

Did any early iphones ever support storage cards? I never had iphone till 
2021 (SE2020 model). Never had an android either.

My iphone does have a really slow primitive lightning port that works with 
old usb2 flash drives. I had to buy the special apple gadget that allows 
using a flash drive or camera on the lightening port. No usb3 speed. Why 
the hell do they call something this slow "lightning"?  It's also real 
clumsy with the files app, but it does actually work if you are persistent. 
Not really worth the effort.

But the phone works really well. Reminds me of my first computer in 1982, 
an Ohio Scientific single board with 6502 microprocessor running at 1 Mhz. 
(no storage card either, just 300 baud cassette tape)

I just use all apple garden supplied stuff. iCloud, apple account, app 
store, iTunes, etc. It's a hell of a lot easier that way. Too much work to 
try to use any other way. I have never done a "jailbreak", nor even peeked 
over the garden wall.

I can say it works very well, but sometimes I feel like I am in the year 
1980 when I power on my trusty iphone. Still, it works, so I'm not whining, 
I just take it for what it is ... as reliable as any modern pocket "telephone".

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#141284

On 2024-05-18 15:07, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-05-18 05:59, Andrew wrote:
>>> sms wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 18:22:21 -0700 :
>>>
>>>>>     For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
>>>>> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
>>>>> memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
>>>>> Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
>>>>> much, much more convenient.
>>>>
>>>> And then carry around a separate device?!
>>>>
>>>> If you like to store large quantities of photos, music or audiobooks or
>>>> video content on your phone then the MicroSD card expansion is great.
>>>> That said, none of the phones I currently use have a MicroSD card slot.
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that "portable" storage means different things, none of 
>>> which
>>> an iPhone can do, but all of which an Android phone with an sd card 
>>> can do.
>>
>> Keep in mind that that which follows is pretty much all bullshit...
>>
>>>
>>> #1. Sure it means "expanding" the memory - but almost nobody does that
>>>      (as it's too slow and limiting in a variety of ways we all know 
>>> about).
>>
>> "almost nobody does that" would mean "almost nobody does" virtual 
>> memory...
>>
>> ...and both Android and iOS definitely DO employ virtual memory.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> #2. And just as sure, it means "extending" the memory - but everyone 
>>> knows
>>>      that also - which is what most people do to store pictures & 
>>> videos.
>>
>> And now the doofus mixes his use of the term "memory".
>>
>> "memory" on a computing device has always been used to refer to 
>> "random access memory" which is volatile and where data is store when 
>> being access by the CPU to execute instructions.
>>
>> So MEMORY is NEVER used to "store pictures & videos": that is STORAGE.
>>
>> "Storage" is used to refer to the non-volatile medium used to store 
>> data long term.
>>
>> But more on the reference to '"extending" the memory' in a moment.
>>
>>>
>>> #3. Also, just as surely, it means popping the card into another device
>>>      (usually a PC) for the purpose of backing up or moving data.
>>
>> Hmmmmm...
>>
>> If you "extend" the "memory" (actually storage)...
>>
>> ...wouldn't that mean that only SOME of the data is on the removable 
>> storage?
>>
>>>
>>> #4. But what very few people understand it also means you can swap the
>>>      card out of your old phone into your new phone and EVERYTHING 
>>> works!
>>
>> And wouldn't it also mean that "EVERYTHING" isn't ON the removable 
>> storage?
>>
>>>
>>> None of that can an iPhone do (which is one reason iPhones are severely
>>> limited, not only in lack of software functionality, but hardware too).
>>
>> My iPhone backs itself up to the cloud, but if I preferred, I could 
>> have it back up to my computer.
>>
>>>
>>>> You're pretty much limited to very low end phones if you want a MicroSD
>>>> card slot and/or a headphone jack, with the exception of the Sony 
>>>> XPERIA
>>>> phones (which can cost more than an iPhone Pro Max model).
>>>
>>>   *The best Android phones with expandable memory*
>>
>> Storage not memory.
>>
>>> <https://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-phones-expandable-memory-696913/>
>>>
>>> Sony Xperia 1 V
>>> MSRP: $1,399.99
>>
>> So to transfer between devices as you suggest...
>>
>> ...you have to disable your phone twice (once to take it out, once to 
>> put it back in)...
>>
>> ...because:
>>
>> 'microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)'
>>
>>>
>>> Sony Xperia 10 V
>>> MSRP: 449.00 Euros
>>
>> Same.
>>
>>>
>>> Samsung Galaxy A55
>>> MSRP: $470.00
>>
>> Same.
>>
>>>
>>> Samsung Galaxy A35
>>> MSRP: $400.00
>>
>>
>> Same.
>>>
>>> Motorola Moto G Power 5G (2024)
>>> MSRP: $299.99
>>
>> At least this one has a dedicated slot...
>>
>>>
>>> Samsung Galaxy A15 5G
>>> MSRP: $200.00
>>
>> ...but then we're back to a slot shared with the SIM!
>>
>> And having to temporarily deactivate the phone's most important 
>> functions just to transfer data seems...
>>
>> ...pretty impractical to me.
>>
>> And to put it in perspective, less than a quarter of the Android 
>> phones released in the last 3 years have separate card slots for storage.
>>
>> And only about 60% have any kind of storage card support at all.
> 
> Did any early iphones ever support storage cards? I never had iphone 
> till 2021 (SE2020 model). Never had an android either.

Nope.

> 
> My iphone does have a really slow primitive lightning port that works 
> with old usb2 flash drives. I had to buy the special apple gadget that 
> allows using a flash drive or camera on the lightening port. No usb3 
> speed. Why the hell do they call something this slow "lightning"?  It's 
> also real clumsy with the files app, but it does actually work if you 
> are persistent. Not really worth the effort.

A Lightning port introduced in 2012...

...and kept for compatibility with all accessories sold.

And 480Mb/s is practically about 48MB/s (I divide by 10 to allow for 
overhead)...

...which is nearly 3GB/minute.

> 
> But the phone works really well. Reminds me of my first computer in 
> 1982, an Ohio Scientific single board with 6502 microprocessor running 
> at 1 Mhz. (no storage card either, just 300 baud cassette tape)

Yup. It "works really well".

Which is what keeps normal people (i.e. not Arlen) coming back.

> 
> I just use all apple garden supplied stuff. iCloud, apple account, app 
> store, iTunes, etc. It's a hell of a lot easier that way. Too much work 
> to try to use any other way. I have never done a "jailbreak", nor even 
> peeked over the garden wall.
> 
> I can say it works very well, but sometimes I feel like I am in the year 
> 1980 when I power on my trusty iphone. Still, it works, so I'm not 
> whining, I just take it for what it is ... as reliable as any modern 
> pocket "telephone".

And what model is it?

You get that they make newer, faster ones, right?

> 

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#141287

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 5/17/2024 12:34 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> >    For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
> > memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
> > memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
> > Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
> > much, much more convenient.
> 
> And then carry around a separate device?!

  I interpreted 'Arlen''s "portable storage" as a sneaker-net mechanism,
copying a bunch of files from device X to device Y, where X and Y can be
any device which can handle MicroSD cards.

  (IM) For *that*, a memory-stick is much more conevenient than fiddling
with tiny MicroSD cards and tiny 'slots'/'trays'.

  But meanwhile 'Arlen' has explained that he uses the MicroSD card to
move a complete file system from and 'old' phone to a 'new' one. So he
is not copying files, but moving a complete file system.

  That is a very specific use of the MicroSD card feature, not something
I would have described with a general term like "portable storage".

[...]

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#141289

On 2024-05-19 03:02, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/17/2024 12:34 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>     For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
>>> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
>>> memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
>>> Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
>>> much, much more convenient.
>>
>> And then carry around a separate device?!
> 
>    I interpreted 'Arlen''s "portable storage" as a sneaker-net mechanism,
> copying a bunch of files from device X to device Y, where X and Y can be
> any device which can handle MicroSD cards.
> 
>    (IM) For *that*, a memory-stick is much more conevenient than fiddling
> with tiny MicroSD cards and tiny 'slots'/'trays'.

Especially as so many phones are now using the same tray for the SIM...

...so you have to stop using the phone AS A PHONE...

...twice!

> 
>    But meanwhile 'Arlen' has explained that he uses the MicroSD card to
> move a complete file system from and 'old' phone to a 'new' one. So he
> is not copying files, but moving a complete file system.
> 
>    That is a very specific use of the MicroSD card feature, not something
> I would have described with a general term like "portable storage".
> 
> [...]

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#141296

Frank Slootweg wrote on 19 May 2024 10:02:46 GMT :

>> And then carry around a separate device?!
> 
>   I interpreted his "portable storage" as a sneaker-net mechanism,
> copying a bunch of files from device X to device Y, where X and Y can be
> any device which can handle MicroSD cards.
> 
>   (IM) For *that*, a memory-stick is much more conevenient than fiddling
> with tiny MicroSD cards and tiny 'slots'/'trays'.
> 
>   But meanwhile he has explained that he uses the MicroSD card to
> move a complete file system from and 'old' phone to a 'new' one. So he
> is not copying files, but moving a complete file system.
> 
>   That is a very specific use of the MicroSD card feature, not something
> I would have described with a general term like "portable storage".

This is so basic that it's shocking that the Apple people don't know it.

As I said, there are at multiple use models for using the sd card in a
expandable/extensible & movable/portable sense.

Most people, including myself, use the sd card to store data, APKs, map
databases, encrypted files and media files. 

However... since I re-format all my sd cards to the same volume label, I
also use the sd card to repopulate another phone when the need arises, and
the beauty is that everything works instantly. I can even repopulate the
_same_ phone with a larger card, if and when the need arises, simply by
ensuring the volume label and the top-level /0001/{folders} tree
remains consistent. 

The entire file system is portable!
It's a brilliant use of sd cards, in fact.

That a phone without sd is crippled compared to one with sd is so obvious
that for there to be any disagreement only means the child-like Apple users
are on the thread as it's all well-known fact what sd adds to the phone.

Which is why many Android phones still have sd card slots, including mine.

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#141297

On 2024-05-19, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote on 19 May 2024 10:02:46 GMT :
>
>>> And then carry around a separate device?!
>> 
>>   I interpreted his "portable storage" as a sneaker-net mechanism,
>>   copying a bunch of files from device X to device Y, where X and Y
>>   can be any device which can handle MicroSD cards.
>> 
>>   (IM) For *that*, a memory-stick is much more conevenient than
>>   fiddling with tiny MicroSD cards and tiny 'slots'/'trays'.
>> 
>>   But meanwhile he has explained that he uses the MicroSD card to
>>   move a complete file system from and 'old' phone to a 'new' one. So
>>   he is not copying files, but moving a complete file system.
>> 
>>   That is a very specific use of the MicroSD card feature, not
>>   something I would have described with a general term like "portable
>>   storage".
>
> This is so basic that it's shocking that the Apple people don't know
> it.

Narrator: They know. They just don't care.

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#141299

Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:02:53 GMT :

>> This is so basic that it's shocking that the Apple people don't know
>> it.
> 
> Narrator: They know. They just don't care.

I doubt the Apple users are aware of the enormous power of sd cards.
SD is extensible/expandable and convenient movable/portable storage.

I've never heard of a single Apple user on this group understand that.
What those ignorant Apple users do is always what Apple tells them to do.

Which is to constantly daily for the rest of their lives send all their
private data to Cupertino's hackable servers which they're logged into
24/7/365 over the traceable Internet - just to then claim even after losing
all their privacy and paying for storage on the Internet every moment of
their lives, that they still can't do anywhere near what sd does.

Which makes profits for Apple (and all their data available to hackers).
At the users' expense.

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#141300

On 2024-05-19, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:02:53 GMT :
>
>>> This is so basic that it's shocking that the Apple people don't know
>>> it.
>> 
>> Narrator: They know. They just don't care.
>
> I doubt the Apple users are aware of the enormous power of sd cards.

SD cards are storage devices, nothing more. Everyone is aware they exist
and how they work, Arlen. In fact, Macs have supported them for many,
many years. Again, they know. They just don't care. And you're obsessed
with them.

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#141301

Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:27:23 GMT :

> SD cards are storage devices, nothing more. Everyone is aware they exist
> and how they work, Arlen. In fact, Macs have supported them for many,
> many years. Again, they know. They just don't care. And you're obsessed
> with them.

Then you agree that a phone without sd can't do what a phone with sd can.

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#141302

On 2024-05-19, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:27:23 GMT :
>
>> SD cards are storage devices, nothing more. Everyone is aware they
>> exist and how they work, Arlen. In fact, Macs have supported them for
>> many, many years. Again, they know. They just don't care. And you're
>> obsessed with them.
>
> Then you agree that a phone without sd can't do what a phone with sd
> can.

A device with an SD card slot can store things on an SD card - something
iPhone users couldn't care less about. The only reason you are obsessing
about SD cards is because Apple chooses not to add SD card slots on
iPhones. It's your weak attempt at trolling, as usual.

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#141303

Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:32:25 GMT :

> A device with an SD card slot can store things on an SD card - something
> iPhone users couldn't care less about. The only reason you are obsessing
> about SD cards is because Apple chooses not to add SD card slots on
> iPhones. It's your weak attempt at trolling, as usual.

All my APKs (every app, every version) are automatically stored on my sd
card at the time of installation, Jolly Roger, such that I can repopulate
any other Android on the planet simply by popping the card into that phone.

Can an iPhone do that?

I have my homescreen backed up to the sd card, Jolly Roger, with all folder
names and locations, and all app shortcut names and locations Jolly Roger,
so everything is on the phone if the phone needs to be factory reset and
everything is portable to another phone should I want to populate it.

Can an iPhone do that?

I can easily double or triple the internal storage capacity for my media
and data files using an inexpensive sd card any time that sd get better
over time - thereby extending the useful life of any phone with sd cards. 

Can an iPhone do that?

The fact is an iPhone is nothing but a dumb terminal that can't do half of
that while the other half requires logging into Apple's mainframe servers.

           iPhone === dumb terminal

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#141304

On 2024-05-19, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:32:25 GMT :
>
>> A device with an SD card slot can store things on an SD card -
>> something iPhone users couldn't care less about. The only reason you
>> are obsessing about SD cards is because Apple chooses not to add SD
>> card slots on iPhones. It's your weak attempt at trolling, as usual.
>
> All my APKs blah blah blah
>
> iPhone === dumb terminal

Your only goal here is to troll, Arlen.

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#141307

On 2024-05-19 13:07, Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:32:25 GMT :
> 
>> A device with an SD card slot can store things on an SD card - something
>> iPhone users couldn't care less about. The only reason you are obsessing
>> about SD cards is because Apple chooses not to add SD card slots on
>> iPhones. It's your weak attempt at trolling, as usual.
> 
> All my APKs (every app, every version) are automatically stored on my sd
> card at the time of installation, Jolly Roger, such that I can repopulate
> any other Android on the planet simply by popping the card into that phone.
> 
> Can an iPhone do that?
> 
> I have my homescreen backed up to the sd card, Jolly Roger, with all folder
> names and locations, and all app shortcut names and locations Jolly Roger,
> so everything is on the phone if the phone needs to be factory reset and
> everything is portable to another phone should I want to populate it.

Mine is backed up in the cloud and/or on my computer.

Not really a difference.

> 
> Can an iPhone do that?
> 
> I can easily double or triple the internal storage capacity for my media
> and data files using an inexpensive sd card any time that sd get better
> over time - thereby extending the useful life of any phone with sd cards.
> 
> Can an iPhone do that?
> 
> The fact is an iPhone is nothing but a dumb terminal that can't do half of
> that while the other half requires logging into Apple's mainframe servers.

LOL!

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#141261

sms wrote:

> iOS Features
> ------------
> 56i Satellite SOS on iPhone 14 and 15 models. ✓

I believe you can chalk that up for Team Robot as well, though probably 
on a very narrow combination of phones and providers

<https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/1ct1no1/satellite_messaging_option_appeared_on_my_pixel_7/>

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