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Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?

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#141174 — Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?

From	Andrew <andrew@spam.net>
Date	2024-05-16 22:12 +0000
Subject	Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
Message-ID	<v260c8$3ko$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

Half my family is on Android, the other half iOS, so whenever the iPhone
users send a video through their text mechanism, it shows up clear for
their iPhone recipients but super blurry for their Android recipients.
 <https://i.postimg.cc/cLBNKJb7/fuzzy.jpg>

Why?

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#141175

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2024-05-16 23:00 +0000
Message-ID	<lanhfjFfls3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#141174

On 2024-05-16, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Half my family is on Android, the other half iOS, so whenever the iPhone
> users send a video through their text mechanism, it shows up clear for
> their iPhone recipients but super blurry for their Android recipients.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/cLBNKJb7/fuzzy.jpg>
>
> Why?

Because you aren't sending them through a messaging service that
supports high-quality videos. And you claim to know more about iOS than
anyone else here? You apparently can barely use basic messaging
services. 🤣

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#141177

From	Andrew <andrew@spam.net>
Date	2024-05-17 00:10 +0000
Message-ID	<v2678t$2ttt$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to	#141175

Jolly Roger wrote on 16 May 2024 23:00:03 GMT :

>> Why?
> 
> Because you aren't sending them through a messaging service that
> supports high-quality videos. And you claim to know more about iOS than
> anyone else here? You apparently can barely use basic messaging
> services.

I'm not sending any videos, Jolly Roger. 

The iPhone user is sending the videos.
I'm simply a recipient - some of whom are on iOS & others on Android.

The question is a simple one.

The fact you resorted to instant insult may mean you're afraid of the
answer since you try to deflect from every iOS flaw in the book.

But I am not saying this is an iOS flaw.
I'm just saying it happens.

And I'm saying I don't know (yet) why it happens.
As I only recently started getting short videos from iPhone owners.

Hence my question... 

Q: Why do videos sent by iPhone users show up clearly on recipients' 
   iPhones but they show up as super blurry on recipients' Android phones?

There must be a reason that happens.

What's the reason for that?
   <https://i.postimg.cc/cLBNKJb7/fuzzy.jpg>

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#141183

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2024-05-17 01:24 +0000
Message-ID	<lanpufFgqm7U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#141177

On 2024-05-17, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 16 May 2024 23:00:03 GMT :
>
>>> Why?
>> 
>> Because you aren't sending them through a messaging service that
>> supports high-quality videos. And you claim to know more about iOS than
>> anyone else here? You apparently can barely use basic messaging
>> services.
>
> I'm not sending any videos, Jolly Roger. 

Who is doing the sending is irrelevant, and you know that. 

> The iPhone user is sending the videos.
> I'm simply a recipient - some of whom are on iOS & others on Android.
>
> The question is a simple one.

The question has been answered above.

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#141213

From	Andrew <andrew@spam.net>
Date	2024-05-17 19:54 +0000
Message-ID	<v28clr$a5g$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to	#141183

Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 01:24:31 GMT :

>> I'm not sending any videos, Jolly Roger. 
> 
> Who is doing the sending is irrelevant, and you know that. 

We're talking only about iPhone users sending videos using their default
messaging app in the USA which is messages, to send videos to a group
comprising both Android & iOS users. Nobody is sending them from Android.

>> The iPhone user is sending the videos.
>> I'm simply a recipient - some of whom are on iOS & others on Android.
>>
>> The question is a simple one.
> 
> The question has been answered above.

There are a few missing pieces, Jolly Roger, which I thank you for fleshing
out some of them, but there are further questions such as how does the
iPhone know that a recipient is on Android when I can pop my SIM card into
any iPhone where it will fit and then pop it back into Android at any time.

To test that, I'm resurrecting an iPHone and three iPads, one of which
Apple bricked because I didn't log into their servers, the other of which
Apple bricked for the same reason but allowed me to set it up after I went
to the store to let them copy down my government ID (laying waste to
Apple's brazen marketing lies about privacy) and the third iPad is my
wife's but which has been collecting dust since she got an Android tablet. 

Here's a photo of those four Apple devices so you know I tell the truth.
  <https://i.postimg.cc/rwD6NrKX/ipadsandiphone.jpg>

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#141215

From	Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date	2024-05-17 13:17 -0700
Message-ID	<v28e0p$2bpek$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#141213

On 2024-05-17 12:54, Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 01:24:31 GMT :
> 
>>> I'm not sending any videos, Jolly Roger.
>>
>> Who is doing the sending is irrelevant, and you know that.
> 
> We're talking only about iPhone users sending videos using their default
> messaging app in the USA which is messages, to send videos to a group
> comprising both Android & iOS users. Nobody is sending them from Android.

And you desperately don't want to look at the question of whether or not 
an Android device can send an MMS message with video that is any better.

> 
>>> The iPhone user is sending the videos.
>>> I'm simply a recipient - some of whom are on iOS & others on Android.
>>>
>>> The question is a simple one.
>>
>> The question has been answered above.
> 
> There are a few missing pieces, Jolly Roger, which I thank you for fleshing
> out some of them, but there are further questions such as how does the
> iPhone know that a recipient is on Android when I can pop my SIM card into
> any iPhone where it will fit and then pop it back into Android at any time.

Messages app doesn't need to know if the recipient is on an Android 
device...

...it only needs to know that the phone number isn't associated with an 
iMessage account.

> 
> To test that, I'm resurrecting an iPHone and three iPads, one of which
> Apple bricked because I didn't log into their servers, the other of which
> Apple bricked for the same reason but allowed me to set it up after I went
> to the store to let them copy down my government ID (laying waste to
> Apple's brazen marketing lies about privacy) and the third iPad is my
> wife's but which has been collecting dust since she got an Android tablet.

You had to prove to the store's satisfaction that you were the owner of 
the device, doofus.

> 
> Here's a photo of those four Apple devices so you know I tell the truth.
>    <https://i.postimg.cc/rwD6NrKX/ipadsandiphone.jpg>

That doesn't prove you're telling the truth about anything you said in 
the preceding paragraph, Arlen.

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#141226

From	Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
Date	2024-05-17 17:23 -0500
Message-ID	<v28ldf$2dbvt$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#141215

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-05-17 12:54, Andrew wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 01:24:31 GMT :
>>
>>>> I'm not sending any videos, Jolly Roger.
>>>
>>> Who is doing the sending is irrelevant, and you know that.
>>
>> We're talking only about iPhone users sending videos using their default
>> messaging app in the USA which is messages, to send videos to a group
>> comprising both Android & iOS users. Nobody is sending them from Android.
> 
> And you desperately don't want to look at the question of whether or not an 
> Android device can send an MMS message with video that is any better.
> 
>>
>>>> The iPhone user is sending the videos.
>>>> I'm simply a recipient - some of whom are on iOS & others on Android.
>>>>
>>>> The question is a simple one.
>>>
>>> The question has been answered above.
>>
>> There are a few missing pieces, Jolly Roger, which I thank you for fleshing
>> out some of them, but there are further questions such as how does the
>> iPhone know that a recipient is on Android when I can pop my SIM card into
>> any iPhone where it will fit and then pop it back into Android at any time.
> 
> Messages app doesn't need to know if the recipient is on an Android device...
> 
> ...it only needs to know that the phone number isn't associated with an 
> iMessage account.
> 
>>
>> To test that, I'm resurrecting an iPHone and three iPads, one of which
>> Apple bricked because I didn't log into their servers, the other of which
>> Apple bricked for the same reason but allowed me to set it up after I went
>> to the store to let them copy down my government ID (laying waste to
>> Apple's brazen marketing lies about privacy) and the third iPad is my
>> wife's but which has been collecting dust since she got an Android tablet.
> 
> You had to prove to the store's satisfaction that you were the owner of the 
> device, doofus.
> 
>>
>> Here's a photo of those four Apple devices so you know I tell the truth.
>>    <https://i.postimg.cc/rwD6NrKX/ipadsandiphone.jpg>
> 
> That doesn't prove you're telling the truth about anything you said in the 
> preceding paragraph, Arlen.

Indeed. The man is obviously a member of the holy order of android. They 
will fight to the death, same as members of the holy order of apple.

Each will continue forever, much like the jews and arabs. Go for it!

KILL EACH OTHER!

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#141224

From	Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
Date	2024-05-17 17:14 -0500
Message-ID	<v28kt8$2d8pt$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#141213

Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 01:24:31 GMT :
> 
>>> I'm not sending any videos, Jolly Roger.
>>
>> Who is doing the sending is irrelevant, and you know that.
> 
> We're talking only about iPhone users
Stop this incessant bullshit! Come to the little brown apple church in the 
vale.

Get baptised, repent, and sin no more.

Amen.

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#141179

From	Tyrone <none@none.none>
Date	2024-05-17 00:48 +0000
Message-ID	<bbqcnYU8kqHINNv7nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to	#141174

On May 16, 2024 at 6:12:25 PM EDT, "Andrew" <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

> Half my family is on Android, the other half iOS, so whenever the iPhone
> users send a video through their text mechanism, it shows up clear for
> their iPhone recipients but super blurry for their Android recipients.
>  <https://i.postimg.cc/cLBNKJb7/fuzzy.jpg>
> 
> Why?

Because SMS/MMS is used between Android and iOS. They have incompatible
messaging systems, so they fall back to the Lowest Common Denominator.  The
quality drops in both directions.  

However, if everyone uses WhatsApp or Facebook messenger (or others) then
videos will be sent in full quality.  That's one of the (many) reasons these
cross-platform messaging apps exist.

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#141184

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2024-05-17 01:25 +0000
Message-ID	<lanpvrFgqm7U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#141179

On 2024-05-17, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
> On May 16, 2024 at 6:12:25 PM EDT, "Andrew" <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>
>> Half my family is on Android, the other half iOS, so whenever the iPhone
>> users send a video through their text mechanism, it shows up clear for
>> their iPhone recipients but super blurry for their Android recipients.
>>  <https://i.postimg.cc/cLBNKJb7/fuzzy.jpg>
>> 
>> Why?
>
> Because SMS/MMS is used between Android and iOS. They have incompatible
> messaging systems, so they fall back to the Lowest Common Denominator.  The
> quality drops in both directions.  
>
> However, if everyone uses WhatsApp or Facebook messenger (or others) then
> videos will be sent in full quality.  That's one of the (many) reasons these
> cross-platform messaging apps exist.

Arlen should know this. In fact he does know this. He's pretending to be
dumb in order to troll. And it's a really, really weak troll.

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#141187

From	Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
Date	2024-05-17 06:28 +0200
Message-ID	<v26mds$20vj6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#141184

On 17.05.24 03:25, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-05-17, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>> On May 16, 2024 at 6:12:25 PM EDT, "Andrew" <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Half my family is on Android, the other half iOS, so whenever the iPhone
>>> users send a video through their text mechanism, it shows up clear for
>>> their iPhone recipients but super blurry for their Android recipients.
>>>  <https://i.postimg.cc/cLBNKJb7/fuzzy.jpg>
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> Because SMS/MMS is used between Android and iOS. They have incompatible
>> messaging systems, so they fall back to the Lowest Common Denominator.  The
>> quality drops in both directions.  
>>
>> However, if everyone uses WhatsApp or Facebook messenger (or others) then
>> videos will be sent in full quality.  That's one of the (many) reasons these
>> cross-platform messaging apps exist.
> 
> Arlen should know this. In fact he does know this. He's pretending to be
> dumb in order to troll. And it's a really, really weak troll.

It is even a counterproductive one. Because Android does not have its
own quality messaging service it will always produce inferior quality
video output.

-- 
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#141188

From	Andrew <andrew@spam.net>
Date	2024-05-17 13:15 +0000
Message-ID	<v27l9m$12em$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to	#141179

Tyrone wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 00:48:21 +0000 :

>> Half my family is on Android, the other half iOS, so whenever the iPhone
>> users send a video through their text mechanism, it shows up clear for
>> their iPhone recipients but super blurry for their Android recipients.
>>  <https://i.postimg.cc/cLBNKJb7/fuzzy.jpg>
>> 
>> Why?
> 
> Because SMS/MMS is used between Android and iOS. They have incompatible
> messaging systems, so they fall back to the Lowest Common Denominator.  The
> quality drops in both directions.  
> 
> However, if everyone uses WhatsApp or Facebook messenger (or others) then
> videos will be sent in full quality.  That's one of the (many) reasons these
> cross-platform messaging apps exist.

Thanks for explaining it. I haven't received videos until a great
grandchild was born, as it has been a while since the last baby.

This family is all on iPhones & iPads so everything comes from their
messaging app. The pictures come in fine. 

It's just the short (ten to fifteen seconds long) videos that are blurry. 
Does that make sense from your experience that JPGs are fine but not video?

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#141189

From	Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
Date	2024-05-17 15:20 +0200
Message-ID	<v27ljj$2725q$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#141188

On 17.05.24 15:15, Andrew wrote:
> Thanks for explaining it. I haven't received videos until a great
> grandchild was born, as it has been a while since the last baby.
> 
> This family is all on iPhones & iPads so everything comes from their
> messaging app. The pictures come in fine. 

Arlen, this is a sign from heaven: Switch to iOS.
Your grandchildren deserve it.


-- 
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#141190

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2024-05-17 13:35 +0000
Message-ID	<lap4psFmuv9U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#141188

On 2024-05-17, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Tyrone wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 00:48:21 +0000 :
>
>>> Half my family is on Android, the other half iOS, so whenever the
>>> iPhone users send a video through their text mechanism, it shows up
>>> clear for their iPhone recipients but super blurry for their Android
>>> recipients.  <https://i.postimg.cc/cLBNKJb7/fuzzy.jpg>
>>> 
>>> Why?
>> 
>> Because SMS/MMS is used between Android and iOS. They have
>> incompatible messaging systems, so they fall back to the Lowest
>> Common Denominator.  The quality drops in both directions.  
>> 
>> However, if everyone uses WhatsApp or Facebook messenger (or others)
>> then videos will be sent in full quality.  That's one of the (many)
>> reasons these cross-platform messaging apps exist.
>
> This family is all on iPhones & iPads so everything comes from their
> messaging app.

Other messaging apps exist for iOS, Arlen. That includes WhatsApp,
Signal, Facebook Messenger, and a slew of others - most of which send
videos in high or full quality. And you know that.

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#141199

From	Tyrone <none@none.none>
Date	2024-05-17 16:24 +0000
Message-ID	<RtadnWmejrM2Gdr7nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to	#141188

On May 17, 2024 at 9:15:35 AM EDT, "Andrew" <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

> Tyrone wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 00:48:21 +0000 :
> 
>>> Half my family is on Android, the other half iOS, so whenever the iPhone
>>> users send a video through their text mechanism, it shows up clear for
>>> their iPhone recipients but super blurry for their Android recipients.
>>>  <https://i.postimg.cc/cLBNKJb7/fuzzy.jpg>
>>> 
>>> Why?
>> 
>> Because SMS/MMS is used between Android and iOS. They have incompatible
>> messaging systems, so they fall back to the Lowest Common Denominator.  The
>> quality drops in both directions.
>> 
>> However, if everyone uses WhatsApp or Facebook messenger (or others) then
>> videos will be sent in full quality.  That's one of the (many) reasons these
>> cross-platform messaging apps exist.
> 
> Thanks for explaining it. I haven't received videos until a great
> grandchild was born, as it has been a while since the last baby.
> 
> This family is all on iPhones & iPads so everything comes from their
> messaging app. The pictures come in fine.
> 
> It's just the short (ten to fifteen seconds long) videos that are blurry.
> Does that make sense from your experience that JPGs are fine but not video?

Yes. For SMS/MMS, pictures don't need to be compressed (unless its a VERY
large, VERY high-res pic). But even a few seconds of video will be compressed.

It sucks, and the only solution is for everyone to be on the same app. Either
all on iPhones (using Messages) or all on Android (using the same messaging
app) OR using a cross-platform app as noted above.

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#141201

From	Andrew <andrew@spam.net>
Date	2024-05-17 16:41 +0000
Message-ID	<v281c1$1qos$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to	#141199

Tyrone wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 16:24:11 +0000 :

>> It's just the short (ten to fifteen seconds long) videos that are blurry.
>> Does that make sense from your experience that JPGs are fine but not video?
> 
> Yes. For SMS/MMS, pictures don't need to be compressed (unless its a VERY
> large, VERY high-res pic). But even a few seconds of video will be compressed.
> 

Thanks for that kind advice.

The main question that needs to be answered is where exactly is the short
video clip split up (and, the second question is where is it downsized).

1. Is the video split up on the iPhone, Apple servers or carrier servers?
2. Is the video downsized on the iPhone, Apple servers or carrier servers?

> It sucks, and the only solution is for everyone to be on the same app. Either
> all on iPhones (using Messages) or all on Android (using the same messaging
> app) OR using a cross-platform app as noted above.

I'm a solutions oriented guy, having worked in high tech for decades in the
Silicon Valley - so all I want right now is to understand how it works.

Carlos already mentioned a possible solution would be for me to use RCS.

But before I look at possible solutions, I need to better understand the
transit of the short video clip from the iPhone to the Android recipient.

The two questions which need to be known to begin to understand the process
well enough to solve it are those which trace the path of the video clip.

1. Is the video split up on the iPhone, Apple servers or carrier servers?
2. Is the video downsized on the iPhone, Apple servers or carrier servers?

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#141207

From	Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date	2024-05-17 18:16 +0000
Message-ID	<v28dq2.1dc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to	#141201

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
[...]

> The two questions which need to be known to begin to understand the process
> well enough to solve it are those which trace the path of the video clip.

  You can't "solve" it, without the *sender* using a *different* method
to get the video to you, i.e. as has been mentioned, using some 'cloud'
or other file transfer service.

> 1. Is the video split up on the iPhone, Apple servers or carrier servers?

  With "split up", you mean the communication path is split, the video
isn't split.

  Answer: (As Carlos indicated,) On the iPhone. Your mobile number is in
the sender's (i.e. iPhone) contacts. The Messages app on the iPhone sees
it's a mobile phone number, so it decides to send a MMS message. As
Carlos mentioned, the decision must be taken on the iPhone, because the
cost of the MMS message (even if it comes out of a bundle) must be
charged to the iPhone user's mobile provider.

> 2. Is the video downsized on the iPhone, Apple servers or carrier servers?

  As we don't use MMS in the real world, I don't know where the
(resolution) shrinking of the video is done, but I assume it's done on
the iPhone. Doing it on other servers would mean a huge waste of -
possibly very costly - mobile data.

  For comparison:

  When we do stuff like this from WhatsApp-to-WhatsApp - never mind who
is on which OS platform - a full resolution video will be shrunk by
WhatsApp to a reasonable resolution and sent. (If we want to send the
full resolution video, at the possible expense of costly mobile data, we
can of course do so as well.)

  For example the last video I got was 478x850 at 30FPS, which is of
course way less than the camera (I think a Pixel 7) can do. (The 25s
video was 5.75MB.)

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#141209

From	Andrew <andrew@spam.net>
Date	2024-05-17 19:20 +0000
Message-ID	<v28al8$83g$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to	#141207

Frank Slootweg wrote on 17 May 2024 18:16:16 GMT :

>> The two questions which need to be known to begin to understand the process
>> well enough to solve it are those which trace the path of the video clip.
> 
>   You can't "solve" it, without the *sender* using a *different* method
> to get the video to you, i.e. as has been mentioned, using some 'cloud'
> or other file transfer service.

I'm not a bad problem solver, so I might find a workaround which doesn't
require the IPhone sender to change their habits just for me to receive a
decent video from them. 

Luckily, I have a bunch of unused iOS devices I might be able to re-purpose
as video recipients only. <https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg>

I'm working on a potential workaround as we speak, although it's using an
iPhone that was in my drawer of phones, and which is shown below after it
asked me to update it to the latest iOS release as of today of iOS 12.5.7
 <https://i.postimg.cc/mD5SmkXP/iphone20240517update.jpg>

What I may try is insert my SIM card into that old iPhone and see if that
makes any difference - but the problem is the AppleID is registered to
someone else (I have the login/password but need to pull data off it
first).

In addition, I have plenty of iPads (where I only use one for Google Voice
which works better on an iPad than it does on Android for privacy reasons).
 <https://i.postimg.cc/jdtzyBhV/ipadiphone.jpg> 

As you're well aware, I don't log into any Apple or Google servers unless
I absolutely need to, where I might set up the iPad or iPhone for messages.

In addition, while I use PulseSMS without an account, I could also "maybe"
set up an account on PulseSMS to see if it can handle iPhone videos.
  <https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>

Lastly, when Apple figures out how to add RCS, that might also work then
to receive videos from iPhone users that are not crappy quality (but I 
don't have much faith in that - yet - we'll have to just wait & see).

>> 1. Is the video split up on the iPhone, Apple servers or carrier servers?
> 
>   With "split up", you mean the communication path is split, the video
> isn't split.

Yes. Some of the videos go through the Apple mainframe messaging server.
Some don't.

They're split somewhere, either on the phone itself, or on the mainframe
(or on the carrier's mainframe but I think the carrier just downsizes it).

>   Answer: (As Carlos indicated,) On the iPhone. Your mobile number is in
> the sender's (i.e. iPhone) contacts. The Messages app on the iPhone sees
> it's a mobile phone number, so it decides to send a MMS message. As
> Carlos mentioned, the decision must be taken on the iPhone, because the
> cost of the MMS message (even if it comes out of a bundle) must be
> charged to the iPhone user's mobile provider.

That makes sense, but what confuses me is I can put my SIM card into an old
(which I will do soon but the iPhone is registered to a different person's
AppleID as I had planned on extracting the data.

How does the iPhone know that I did that?
Probably it doesn't know I did that, right?

So I'd have to log into the Apple mainframe servers for it to know that.
Does that make sense?
 
>> 2. Is the video downsized on the iPhone, Apple servers or carrier servers?
> 
>   As we don't use MMS in the real world, I don't know where the
> (resolution) shrinking of the video is done, but I assume it's done on
> the iPhone. Doing it on other servers would mean a huge waste of -
> possibly very costly - mobile data.

True. Very true. That makes sense. too much sense. :) I believe you.
Thanks for knocking that sense into my head. It should only be that way.

Up until now I thought the carrier might have downsized the video - but
you're right. It makes all the sense in the world to downside it on the
iPhone before it gets to the carrier. Thanks.

>   For comparison:
>   
>   When we do stuff like this from WhatsApp-to-WhatsApp - never mind who
> is on which OS platform - a full resolution video will be shrunk by
> WhatsApp to a reasonable resolution and sent. (If we want to send the
> full resolution video, at the possible expense of costly mobile data, we
> can of course do so as well.)
> 
>   For example the last video I got was 478x850 at 30FPS, which is of
> course way less than the camera (I think a Pixel 7) can do. (The 25s
> video was 5.75MB.)

That makes a lot of sense that the phone is doing the downsizing.

Assuming that, I only need to figure out now how the phone knows that some
recipients get downsized and others don't, given I can put my SIM card at
any time into an iPhone or into my Android phone.

Unfortunately, I don't have access to my iPads that have the T-Mobile
200MB/month cellular data for life (one is bricked by Apple, the other is
in someone else's hands but I can pick it up and have the sender add 
_that_ phone number!). <https://i.postimg.cc/L6dFGXVd/tmopromo03.jpg> 

This seems to be the best workaround - does it not?

a. I either get the iPhone registered to me and to my phone number
   (which will take me a while and which is only temporary as I would
   only do that for testing purposes given Android is preferred).

b. Or, I get the iPhone sender to add the T-Mobile 200MB/month SIM
   for life AppleID (whatever it happens to be) to the group chat.

Does that make sense as possible workarounds to the problem set?

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From	Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date	2024-05-17 19:49 +0000
Message-ID	<v28jci.c2c.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to	#141209

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote on 17 May 2024 18:16:16 GMT :
> 
> >> The two questions which need to be known to begin to understand the process
> >> well enough to solve it are those which trace the path of the video clip.
> > 
> >   You can't "solve" it, without the *sender* using a *different* method
> > to get the video to you, i.e. as has been mentioned, using some 'cloud'
> > or other file transfer service.
> 
> I'm not a bad problem solver, so I might find a workaround which doesn't
> require the IPhone sender to change their habits just for me to receive a
> decent video from them. 

  I'm quite sure you can't "solve" the problem, because it requires the
*sender*'s device (iPhone) to do things differently and that is beyond
*your* control (and BTW also beyond his).

  But by all means, eat your heart out and experiment away.

[...]

> Lastly, when Apple figures out how to add RCS, that might also work then
> to receive videos from iPhone users that are not crappy quality (but I 
> don't have much faith in that - yet - we'll have to just wait & see).

  As has been mentioned (by Carlos and me), RCS is a theoretical
solution, but whether or not Apple will add RCS functionality to iOS is
beyond your control, so *you* won't be "solve"-ing anything.

[...]

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From	Andrew <andrew@spam.net>
Date	2024-05-17 20:16 +0000
Message-ID	<v28du5$2ahc$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to	#141212

Frank Slootweg wrote on 17 May 2024 19:49:16 GMT :

>> I'm not a bad problem solver, so I might find a workaround which doesn't
>> require the IPhone sender to change their habits just for me to receive a
>> decent video from them. 
> 
>   I'm quite sure you can't "solve" the problem, because it requires the
> *sender*'s device (iPhone) to do things differently and that is beyond
> *your* control (and BTW also beyond his).
> 
>   But by all means, eat your heart out and experiment away.

Thanks for your advice, where solving and working around issues are two
different things, where I agree I can't solve the problem - but I am damn
good at finding workarounds to every problem that I care to address.

But I need to understand better how the iPhone sends video first.

I worked in the Silicon Valley on industrial software considered munitions,
so I'm not bad at workarounds - although I had a lot of training for that.

With Apple products, I don't have any formal training on how they work, 
so all that I know about them is what I experience myself dealing with
them. https://i.postimg.cc/rwD6NrKX/ipadsandiphone.jpg

However, I think I have a workaround to the problem given out of those four
Apple iOS devices, one of them might be repurposed as a video receiver.

1. The iPhone is registered to another AppleID which I need to remove
   (but only after I take all the data off that iPhone first).

2. The "Activation Required!" iPad at left was bricked by Apple because
   I ran an experiment by not logging into Apple servers for two years.
   Since it was a gift, I can't prove it's mine so Apple declined to 
   allow me to activate it - again giving proof to Apples lies about 
   privacy since I had to show my government ID to the Genius Bar worker
   before they would even look at it.

3. The iPad at the top is a dedicated Google Voice iPad, which is only 
   used as a Wi-Fi speakerphone (as it doesn't have a SIM card slot).
   Paradoxically, Google Voice is more private on an iOS device because
   on Android just using it creates a Google Account on the Android phone.
   On iOS it doesn't create another account (but you already have one).

4. The smaller iPad mini at the bottom is my wife's iPad, which has lain
   fallow since my daughter gave her an Android tablet a year or two ago.
   It's still logged into my wife's AppleID I think, as I'm charging it 
   up as we speak and updating the OS to iOS 12.5.7 (which is it's latest
   as Apple fully supports one release, which is iOS 17 at the moment).

That iPad has a SIM card phone number (which is a special kind of data-only
number that T-Mobile gave me 200MB/month for life on) where I'm just not
yet sure if the iOS senders need to add that phone number or my wife's
AppleID. I suspect all they need is my wife's AppleID to send videos
via the iOS Messages app such that I can see the new baby in the videos.
 <https://i.postimg.cc/nhpbcP50/tmopromo04.jpg> 
 
>> Lastly, when Apple figures out how to add RCS, that might also work then
>> to receive videos from iPhone users that are not crappy quality (but I 
>> don't have much faith in that - yet - we'll have to just wait & see).
> 
>   As has been mentioned (by Carlos and me), RCS is a theoretical
> solution, but whether or not Apple will add RCS functionality to iOS is
> beyond your control, so *you* won't be "solve"-ing anything.

Yes. Agreed. And I thank you and Carlos (and Andy Burns in the past) 
for useful information about RCS, where my main issue with RCS is that
not a lot of Android messaging apps support RCS last I had checked.

As you're well aware, there's almost no chance that I'll log into a Google
(or Apple) server willingly - so if RCS requires an Internet account just
to obtain clear videos from an iPhone, I'm not likely to like that answer.

As you astutely said, we'll have to wait until "later this year" (probably
iOS 18) to see what kind of RCS implementation Apple is capable of doing.

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