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Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2023-12-09 18:21 +1300
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2023-12-09 05:46 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 07:00 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2023-12-09 06:11 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 03:59 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 13:20 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:06 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:22 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 08:16 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 13:41 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-12-09 13:48 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 14:37 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:27 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:37 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:28 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:40 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:18 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 13:12 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:26 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 20:45 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 16:05 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 22:21 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 17:04 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 00:24 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 13:20 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 14:09 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-10 10:38 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-10 08:26 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-13 13:16 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-13 08:58 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-13 11:11 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-13 15:26 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-13 14:17 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-14 08:12 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-14 08:08 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 00:22 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-10 10:38 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 13:22 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-10 08:29 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 19:22 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:23 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 09:16 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 10:18 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-10 17:14 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 19:21 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:24 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-11 16:28 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> - 2023-12-11 08:19 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:28 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-11 16:29 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 09:15 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:38 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 09:41 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:23 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 13:04 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 18:31 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 10:41 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 10:38 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-11 16:08 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 19:25 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-11 19:09 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 14:31 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 23:51 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-12 08:27 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-12 10:13 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-12 08:34 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-13 13:19 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 13:29 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2023-12-11 14:17 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Bradley <bradley@nospam.com> - 2023-12-11 14:35 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 23:55 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 23:57 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 20:04 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-15 08:11 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-10 10:37 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 13:24 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 19:46 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-12 10:17 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 16:25 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2023-12-09 23:29 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:35 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-09 07:45 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 08:12 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-09 16:03 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:35 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 13:00 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 18:47 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:25 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 14:31 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:37 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 19:56 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 16:37 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-10 15:20 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:30 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:23 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 19:18 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 20:48 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 20:22 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 22:25 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 17:07 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 00:21 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> - 2023-12-09 22:42 -0600
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-10 08:18 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> - 2023-12-11 08:47 -0600
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 10:19 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:44 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 13:10 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 19:03 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 15:56 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-11 18:57 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-12 15:47 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-12 18:38 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-12 14:45 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 01:18 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-12 22:06 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-12 18:15 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 04:06 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-13 01:45 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-12 23:25 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 16:26 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-13 13:15 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 19:44 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-13 14:07 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 15:12 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-11 16:35 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-11 18:56 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:26 -0400
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-12-11 12:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <kto9p4Fdtm8U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #126672 |
On 2023-12-10 14:29, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-12-10 07:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-12-10 10:38, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 09.12.23 22:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So yes, we do have problems and we do complain.
>>>
>>> I think this is a fair statement. iPhone users do not complain.
>>
>> Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can
>> not send photos or multimedia, unless they ditch iMessages and switch
>> to WhatsApp.
>
> Eh? I send/receive photos and videos to/from people with Android phones
> all the time - using basic message service (cell phone). Of course such
> is covered in data plans here as part of overall "data" so there are no
> ridiculous charges as one may see in Europe and elsewhere.
In Europe, and probably the entire world excep NA, iphone users can not
send photos to android users using imessage.
Two reasons: if MMS is available, it is expensive. And in several
countries or providers, MMS has been removed.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-11 09:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <WQEdN.12224$7sbb.6717@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #127606 |
On 2023-12-11 06:23, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-12-10 14:29, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-12-10 07:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-12-10 10:38, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> On 09.12.23 22:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So yes, we do have problems and we do complain.
>>>>
>>>> I think this is a fair statement. iPhone users do not complain.
>>>
>>> Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and
>>> can not send photos or multimedia, unless they ditch iMessages and
>>> switch to WhatsApp.
>>
>> Eh? I send/receive photos and videos to/from people with Android
>> phones all the time - using basic message service (cell phone). Of
>> course such is covered in data plans here as part of overall "data" so
>> there are no ridiculous charges as one may see in Europe and elsewhere.
[AAA]____________
>
> In Europe, and probably the entire world excep NA, iphone users can not
> send photos to android users using imessage.
>
> Two reasons: if MMS is available, it is expensive. And in several
> countries or providers, MMS has been removed.
Well, can't help that, and yes I noted the ridiculous charges. [AAA]
--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2023-12-11 10:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ul75n1$2s16f$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #127606 |
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote >> Eh? I send/receive photos and videos to/from people with Android phones >> all the time - using basic message service (cell phone). Of course such >> is covered in data plans here as part of overall "data" so there are no >> ridiculous charges as one may see in Europe and elsewhere. > > In Europe, and probably the entire world excep NA, iphone users can not > send photos to android users using imessage. > > Two reasons: if MMS is available, it is expensive. And in several > countries or providers, MMS has been removed. Sensible logic... a. Free or not-free MMS is a carrier problem, and not Android, per se. b. Android has a half-dozen modern free RCS-enabled apps to send MMS free. c. It's iOS' problem that it is too primitive to _receive_ modern RCS. Only iOS has the problem. As always. iOS is primitive. A closed system.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-10 17:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ktma0eFaqjU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #126656 |
On 2023-12-10, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2023-12-10 10:38, Jörg Lorenz wrote: >> On 09.12.23 22:21, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2023-12-09 21:05, Wally J wrote: >>>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote >>>> >>>>>> Not at all. Apple's system is not a walled garden. More like an >>>>>> exclusive country club where you get more but can also go >>>>>> anywhere off of the club you want. >>>>> >>>>> The point is that *here* there are only 21% of iPhones, so those >>>>> users have to get out of their walled garden to talk with the >>>>> people, 80% of which are on Android. So, they don't use iMessages. >>>> >>>> Carlos brings up the valid points that most of the world is on >>>> Android, and most of the world seems to use WhatsApp (which is the >>>> same as iMessage anyway, in terms of needing to connect to a >>>> middleman mothership server). >>>> >>>> But even those on Android in the US have no problem communicating >>>> with iPhone users; it's always mainly the iPhone users who complain >>>> about it. >>> >>> That is not so. >>> >>> Android users have to communicate with iPhone users using third >>> party tools, like WhatsApp, thats not popular in the USA, or ancient >>> protocols like SMS, which lack features. Or use MMS, which in many >>> countries it is expensive, or is being phased out. >>> >>> So yes, we do have problems and we do complain. >> >> I think this is a fair statement. iPhone users do not complain. > > Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can > not send photos or multimedia No, they can send photos and multimedia. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2023-12-10 19:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ul5h5n$2kq3v$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #126888 |
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote >>>> Android users have to communicate with iPhone users using third >>>> party tools, like WhatsApp, thats not popular in the USA, or ancient >>>> protocols like SMS, which lack features. Or use MMS, which in many >>>> countries it is expensive, or is being phased out. >>>> >>>> So yes, we do have problems and we do complain. >>> >>> I think this is a fair statement. iPhone users do not complain. >> >> Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can >> not send photos or multimedia > > No, they can send photos and multimedia. I strive to comprehend the fundamental problems involved - to solve them. First off, it _is_ the iPhone people doing most of the complaining here. But, there are _also_ some Android users also complaining about messaging. As always, I strive to comprehend what the problem set is we're solving. The Android users' complaint appears to be that Apple doesn't support RCS yet and some people (those who are charged for MMS messages mostly) naturally want to send MMS messages via RCS to Apple users. (That's NOT an Android problem, by the way - that's clearly an iOS problem since there are already a half dozen free Android messaging apps which support RCS.) In addition, there are _plenty_ of cross-platform messaging apps which support sending MMS messages over the Internet such as this Android app. <https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>' <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTcn1wfmWjU> So it's not that the Android users can't send MMS for free; it's that they want to send them to iOS users using either RCS or a different mechanism. Which means Android has no problem sending those MMS images for free. It's iOS that can't get them. Now for the iOS side of the complaints, most of the complaints from the iOS users appears to be about the color of the bubbles - which is just absurd. Ignoring the silly color of the bubbles (heck, Android users can set any conversation or group to any color they want to set them to - which is one of the many things the utterly primitive iMessages system can't do) what are the iOS users complaining about if it's NOT that they can't get the MMS messages from Android users who want to send them for free via RCS? Other than silly bubble colors, why are iOS users complaining so much here?
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 12:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <kto9rsFdtm8U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #126888 |
On 2023-12-10 18:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-12-10, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2023-12-10 10:38, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 09.12.23 22:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-12-09 21:05, Wally J wrote:
>>>>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not at all. Apple's system is not a walled garden. More like an
>>>>>>> exclusive country club where you get more but can also go
>>>>>>> anywhere off of the club you want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The point is that *here* there are only 21% of iPhones, so those
>>>>>> users have to get out of their walled garden to talk with the
>>>>>> people, 80% of which are on Android. So, they don't use iMessages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carlos brings up the valid points that most of the world is on
>>>>> Android, and most of the world seems to use WhatsApp (which is the
>>>>> same as iMessage anyway, in terms of needing to connect to a
>>>>> middleman mothership server).
>>>>>
>>>>> But even those on Android in the US have no problem communicating
>>>>> with iPhone users; it's always mainly the iPhone users who complain
>>>>> about it.
>>>>
>>>> That is not so.
>>>>
>>>> Android users have to communicate with iPhone users using third
>>>> party tools, like WhatsApp, thats not popular in the USA, or ancient
>>>> protocols like SMS, which lack features. Or use MMS, which in many
>>>> countries it is expensive, or is being phased out.
>>>>
>>>> So yes, we do have problems and we do complain.
>>>
>>> I think this is a fair statement. iPhone users do not complain.
>>
>> Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can
>> not send photos or multimedia
>
> No, they can send photos and multimedia.
Not in Europe, not probably in most of the world. Not using imessages.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 16:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ktormaFikq3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #127607 |
On 2023-12-11, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2023-12-10 18:14, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2023-12-10, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> On 2023-12-10 10:38, Jörg Lorenz wrote: >>>> On 09.12.23 22:21, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>> On 2023-12-09 21:05, Wally J wrote: >>>>>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not at all. Apple's system is not a walled garden. More like an >>>>>>>> exclusive country club where you get more but can also go >>>>>>>> anywhere off of the club you want. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The point is that *here* there are only 21% of iPhones, so those >>>>>>> users have to get out of their walled garden to talk with the >>>>>>> people, 80% of which are on Android. So, they don't use iMessages. >>>>>> >>>>>> Carlos brings up the valid points that most of the world is on >>>>>> Android, and most of the world seems to use WhatsApp (which is the >>>>>> same as iMessage anyway, in terms of needing to connect to a >>>>>> middleman mothership server). >>>>>> >>>>>> But even those on Android in the US have no problem communicating >>>>>> with iPhone users; it's always mainly the iPhone users who complain >>>>>> about it. >>>>> >>>>> That is not so. >>>>> >>>>> Android users have to communicate with iPhone users using third >>>>> party tools, like WhatsApp, thats not popular in the USA, or ancient >>>>> protocols like SMS, which lack features. Or use MMS, which in many >>>>> countries it is expensive, or is being phased out. >>>>> >>>>> So yes, we do have problems and we do complain. >>>> >>>> I think this is a fair statement. iPhone users do not complain. >>> >>> Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can >>> not send photos or multimedia >> >> No, they can send photos and multimedia. > > Not in Europe, not probably in most of the world. Not using imessages. People in those countries don't use iMessage in the first place. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 08:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ktnv0cFbvu1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #126656 |
On 10. Dec 2023 at 13:22:31 CET, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can > not send photos or multimedia, unless they ditch iMessages and switch to > WhatsApp. Sorry, you are missing something: Telegram, Signal, Threema for instance. No WhatsApp over here and still happily communicating (and exchanging pictures) with lots of Androids :-)
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 12:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ktoa2eFdtm8U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #127580 |
On 2023-12-11 09:19, Bernd Froehlich wrote:
> On 10. Dec 2023 at 13:22:31 CET, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can
>> not send photos or multimedia, unless they ditch iMessages and switch to
>> WhatsApp.
>
> Sorry, you are missing something:
>
> Telegram, Signal, Threema for instance.
Certainly, but we are talking of their native messaging tool that they
are so happy about, imessages.
As I said, two reasons: in Europe, and probably most of the world except
NA, MMS which is used to send photos to non Apple users is expensive or
has been removed, it is not even available.
>
> No WhatsApp over here and still happily communicating (and exchanging
> pictures) with lots of Androids :-)
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 16:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ktoro5Fikq3U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #127609 |
On 2023-12-11, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2023-12-11 09:19, Bernd Froehlich wrote: >> On 10. Dec 2023 at 13:22:31 CET, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can >>> not send photos or multimedia, unless they ditch iMessages and switch to >>> WhatsApp. >> >> Sorry, you are missing something: >> >> Telegram, Signal, Threema for instance. > > Certainly, but we are talking of their native messaging tool that they > are so happy about, imessages. > > As I said, two reasons: in Europe, and probably most of the world except > NA, MMS which is used to send photos to non Apple users is expensive or > has been removed, it is not even available. Which is no big deal since they are already using alternative messaging apps. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 09:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <IPEdN.12223$7sbb.5410@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #127580 |
On 2023-12-11 03:19, Bernd Froehlich wrote: > On 10. Dec 2023 at 13:22:31 CET, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid> > wrote: > >> Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can >> not send photos or multimedia, unless they ditch iMessages and switch to >> WhatsApp. > > Sorry, you are missing something: > > Telegram, Signal, Threema for instance. > > No WhatsApp over here and still happily communicating (and exchanging > pictures) with lots of Androids :-) That's not what's being discussed. What is: is how iPhone Messages users can send phots/vids to Android users. They can. And do. -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 15:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ktol6qFdtm7U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #127983 |
On 2023-12-11 15:15, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-12-11 03:19, Bernd Froehlich wrote:
>> On 10. Dec 2023 at 13:22:31 CET, ""Carlos E. R.""
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can
>>> not send photos or multimedia, unless they ditch iMessages and switch to
>>> WhatsApp.
>>
>> Sorry, you are missing something:
>>
>> Telegram, Signal, Threema for instance.
>>
>> No WhatsApp over here and still happily communicating (and exchanging
>> pictures) with lots of Androids :-)
>
> That's not what's being discussed. What is: is how iPhone Messages
> users can send phots/vids to Android users.
>
> They can. And do.
With WhatsApp, yes, certainly they can. With imessages, no, not here.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 09:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <LcFdN.30908$q3F7.7733@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #128014 |
On 2023-12-11 09:38, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2023-12-11 15:15, Alan Browne wrote: >> On 2023-12-11 03:19, Bernd Froehlich wrote: >>> On 10. Dec 2023 at 13:22:31 CET, ""Carlos E. R."" >>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can >>>> not send photos or multimedia, unless they ditch iMessages and >>>> switch to >>>> WhatsApp. >>> >>> Sorry, you are missing something: >>> >>> Telegram, Signal, Threema for instance. >>> >>> No WhatsApp over here and still happily communicating (and exchanging >>> pictures) with lots of Androids :-) >> >> That's not what's being discussed. What is: is how iPhone Messages >> users can send phots/vids to Android users. >> >> They can. And do. > > With WhatsApp, yes, certainly they can. With imessages, no, not here. Yes - you've made the point a thousand times now. -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 15:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ul7bn9.q60.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #128029 |
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2023-12-11 09:38, Carlos E. R. wrote: > > On 2023-12-11 15:15, Alan Browne wrote: > >> On 2023-12-11 03:19, Bernd Froehlich wrote: > >>> On 10. Dec 2023 at 13:22:31 CET, ""Carlos E. R."" > >>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can > >>>> not send photos or multimedia, unless they ditch iMessages and > >>>> switch to > >>>> WhatsApp. > >>> > >>> Sorry, you are missing something: > >>> > >>> Telegram, Signal, Threema for instance. > >>> > >>> No WhatsApp over here and still happily communicating (and exchanging > >>> pictures) with lots of Androids :-) > >> > >> That's not what's being discussed. What is: is how iPhone Messages > >> users can send phots/vids to Android users. > >> > >> They can. And do. > > > > With WhatsApp, yes, certainly they can. With imessages, no, not here. > > Yes - you've made the point a thousand times now. Well, if you make your (non (read NA-only)) point a thousand times, you can only expect that the favour will be returned, can't you!?
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 13:04 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ebIdN.16098$p%Mb.2777@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #128150 |
On 2023-12-11 10:23, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >> On 2023-12-11 09:38, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2023-12-11 15:15, Alan Browne wrote: >>>> On 2023-12-11 03:19, Bernd Froehlich wrote: >>>>> On 10. Dec 2023 at 13:22:31 CET, ""Carlos E. R."" >>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can >>>>>> not send photos or multimedia, unless they ditch iMessages and >>>>>> switch to >>>>>> WhatsApp. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, you are missing something: >>>>> >>>>> Telegram, Signal, Threema for instance. >>>>> >>>>> No WhatsApp over here and still happily communicating (and exchanging >>>>> pictures) with lots of Androids :-) >>>> >>>> That's not what's being discussed. What is: is how iPhone Messages >>>> users can send phots/vids to Android users. >>>> >>>> They can. And do. >>> >>> With WhatsApp, yes, certainly they can. With imessages, no, not here. >> >> Yes - you've made the point a thousand times now. > > Well, if you make your (non (read NA-only)) point a thousand times, > you can only expect that the favour will be returned, can't you!? They didn't have to reply - again. Now you'll say "you too!". But I am the OP on this thread. That has privileges 😉 -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 18:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ul7o2a.fuo.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #128251 |
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2023-12-11 10:23, Frank Slootweg wrote: > > Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > >> On 2023-12-11 09:38, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >>> On 2023-12-11 15:15, Alan Browne wrote: > >>>> On 2023-12-11 03:19, Bernd Froehlich wrote: > >>>>> On 10. Dec 2023 at 13:22:31 CET, ""Carlos E. R."" > >>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can > >>>>>> not send photos or multimedia, unless they ditch iMessages and > >>>>>> switch to > >>>>>> WhatsApp. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry, you are missing something: > >>>>> > >>>>> Telegram, Signal, Threema for instance. > >>>>> > >>>>> No WhatsApp over here and still happily communicating (and exchanging > >>>>> pictures) with lots of Androids :-) > >>>> > >>>> That's not what's being discussed. What is: is how iPhone Messages > >>>> users can send phots/vids to Android users. > >>>> > >>>> They can. And do. > >>> > >>> With WhatsApp, yes, certainly they can. With imessages, no, not here. > >> > >> Yes - you've made the point a thousand times now. > > > > Well, if you make your (non (read NA-only)) point a thousand times, > > you can only expect that the favour will be returned, can't you!? > > They didn't have to reply - again. Now you'll say "you too!". But I am > the OP on this thread. That has privileges ? Fair enough! I just canceled my previous response and I will cancel this one, so if you either, complain to your NSP! :-)
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 10:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ul773m$2s36a$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #127983 |
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
>>> Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can
>>> not send photos or multimedia, unless they ditch iMessages and switch to
>>> WhatsApp.
>>
>> Sorry, you are missing something:
>>
>> Telegram, Signal, Threema for instance.
>>
>> No WhatsApp over here and still happily communicating (and exchanging
>> pictures) with lots of Androids :-)
>
> That's not what's being discussed. What is: is how iPhone Messages
> users can send phots/vids to Android users.
>
> They can. And do.
While Alan Browne is correct, what he's completely clueless of is that the
iPhone Messages app is no different in form or function than those Bernd
noted.
Same thing.
The _only_ difference is Messages is on all iPhones, while Telegram,
Signal, THreema or WhatsApp are not.
No other difference than that as iOS uses primitive messaging.
*iOS Messages === WhatsApp*
Same thing in how it works and in the fact they're all proprietary.
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2023-12-11 10:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ul76t3$2s2qi$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #127580 |
Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote >> Yes, they do, when they want to communicate with Android users and can >> not send photos or multimedia, unless they ditch iMessages and switch to >> WhatsApp. > > Sorry, you are missing something: > > Telegram, Signal, Threema for instance. > > No WhatsApp over here and still happily communicating (and exchanging > pictures) with lots of Androids :-) Bernd, I'm trying to understand the problem (as I don't have it in the states). *The main problem appears to be a carrier-imposed fee on 'sending MMS'* *The other problem appears to be iOS uses a primitive messaging system.* (Substituted "closed" if you have a visceral dislike to "primitive".) One part of the problem appears to be... 1. Android users who are charged those fees can send MMS via RCS for free. 2. But iOS users can't receive them (it appears). 3. So in that respect, the problem is on the iOS recipient's side. Another part of the problem appears to be... A. Android users who are charged those fees can send MMS via RCS for free. B. But Android users can't receive them unless they use an RCS messenger. C. So in that respect, the problem is on the Android recipient's side. Meanwhile... the third part of the problem appears to be... a. iOS users can send "things" (e.g., pictures) via their Internet app b. Which is no different than Telegram, Signal, Threema or WhatsApp c. The only difference being all iPhones have that proprietary messaging Is this an accurate summary of the problem set yet?
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| From | Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 16:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ul7c5c$37je5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #128015 |
On 11 Dec 2023 10:38:27 -0400 Wally J wrote: >I'm trying to understand the problem (as I don't have it in the states). > > *The main problem appears to be a carrier-imposed fee on 'sending MMS'* > *The other problem appears to be iOS uses a primitive messaging system.* > (Substituted "closed" if you have a visceral dislike to "primitive".) > >One part of the problem appears to be... >1. Android users who are charged those fees can send MMS via RCS for free. >2. But iOS users can't receive them (it appears). >3. So in that respect, the problem is on the iOS recipient's side. > >Another part of the problem appears to be... >A. Android users who are charged those fees can send MMS via RCS for free. >B. But Android users can't receive them unless they use an RCS messenger. >C. So in that respect, the problem is on the Android recipient's side. > >Meanwhile... the third part of the problem appears to be... >a. iOS users can send "things" (e.g., pictures) via their Internet app >b. Which is no different than Telegram, Signal, Threema or WhatsApp >c. The only difference being all iPhones have that proprietary messaging > >Is this an accurate summary of the problem set yet? > The 'problem', which is shared by (some) users of both Android and iOS, is ... "A user of a modern smartphone cannot be confident of sending a feature-rich message (having features equivalent to the GSMA's RCS Universal Profile) irrespective of both sender's and recipient's make of phone, both sender and receiver using their phone's _default_ messaging facility." <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> Note that RCS does not currently include End to End Encryption (e2ee). At the moment only SMS messages can be confidently sent and reliably received. MMS has been discontinued in many territories: <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service#Decline_and_discontinuation It is rumoured that Apple will enable RCS in their default message app in 2024 (not replacing iMessage) which is to be welcomed IMO. No doubt people will continue to use proprietary apps and protocols when they want extra features - eg e2ee. -- (Remove numerics from email address)
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 19:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ktp2hkFiqcvU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #128201 |
On 2023-12-11 17:08, Dave Royal wrote:
> On 11 Dec 2023 10:38:27 -0400 Wally J wrote:
...
>
> The 'problem', which is shared by (some) users of both Android and iOS, is
> ...
>
> "A user of a modern smartphone cannot be confident of sending a
> feature-rich message (having features equivalent to the GSMA's RCS
> Universal Profile) irrespective of both sender's and recipient's make of
> phone, both sender and receiver using their phone's _default_ messaging
> facility."
>
> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services>
> Note that RCS does not currently include End to End Encryption (e2ee).
It does if you use the Google Messages App.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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