Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database

From	Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
Newsgroups	misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android, alt.internet.wireless
Subject	Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database
Date	2025-12-17 00:29 -0700
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> If you want, you can give me a BSSID of one of the homes near you, and
>> thanks to Chris who asked me to do it, I can output the nearest 400
>> BSSID:GPS pairs in that area.
> 
> That would reveal my location to the world :-)

Yes. I know. That's why I picked an arbitrary Netgear BSSID to query:
 python.exe apple_bssid_locator.py 00:22:3f:a5:7b:33

The location of that BSSID, and a few around it, happens to be:
 1    00:22:3f:a5:7b:33	35.29422378	126.77641296
 2    10:62:e5:b1:8f:12	35.29444885	126.77671051
 3    12:09:a5:53:df:13	35.29491043	126.77599334
 4    28:6d:97:4f:be:d0	35.29439163	126.77655029
 5    28:6d:97:b9:89:96	35.29463195	126.77554321000001
 6    42:09:a5:53:df:13	35.294940940000004	126.7760086
 7    04:09:a5:53:df:13	35.29491043	126.77601623
 8    50:46:ae:f2:9b:15	35.29492568	126.77648162
 9    58:86:94:51:6b:0e	35.2944374	126.77667999
 10   88:36:6c:06:65:38	35.29442214	126.77668762

Here's a map of the 400 access points nearest to that initial AP:
  <https://i.postimg.cc/43ysV3Mr/fermium.jpg>

>> It's so easy to do, it's scary.
>> Just have someone give me a BSSID and I'll prove it to all right now.
> 
> I don't doubt it.

Thank you for not disputing what is obvious, as the Apple trolls (Chris for
the most part, but also Frank seems to have joined in) dispute the obvious.

All this I did with scripts that took me only a few hours to write.
They only take seconds to run. Think about how scary that is to privacy.

If each line is 60 bytes, then about 60MB would store a million, and about
60GB would store about a billion of these GPS:BSSID access point pairs.

If I can amass these in seconds, do you think people who sell the data can?

If people take their router with them to new locations, I can track them.
It's so trivial, it's scary.

What I don't understand is the Apple trolls said many times it wasn't going
to be trivial, but if I can do it, and I'm not even a coder, anyone can.

If one of my neighbors moves, and I want to know where they moved to, 
it would be trivial for me to track them if they re-used their router.

Worse, I could run zillions of different searches of the highly insecure
Apple WPS database to track movements of anything that is in the database.

Just like the researchers said I could.
 <https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/23/apple_wifi_positioning_system/>

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How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 05:08 -0700
  Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-05 12:17 +0000
    Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 06:28 -0700
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-12-05 17:42 +0000
        Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 17:16 -0700
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 02:02 +0100
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-05 17:25 -0800
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 18:53 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:02 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 10:13 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 21:43 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-08 01:17 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-08 07:04 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 00:19 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-18 14:37 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-28 10:54 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 14:43 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 10:13 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 18:02 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 12:06 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-06 15:07 -0800
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:32 +0000
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 14:50 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-08 21:19 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 00:26 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:54 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:37 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 19:13 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 10:24 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 10:24 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 21:00 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-14 16:44 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 23:16 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-17 00:29 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-08 13:02 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-08 09:04 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 00:31 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 20:05 -0700
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 13:36 +0000
        Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 10:13 -0700
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 20:51 +0000
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-06 22:38 +0000
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 23:53 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-07 10:23 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 09:29 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 11:05 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-07 14:02 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 22:36 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 20:14 -0700
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 21:53 +0100
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 20:27 -0700
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 20:37 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-08 09:16 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-08 06:46 -0700
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:05 +0100
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-08 06:50 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 00:37 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:24 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-10 19:10 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-10 19:30 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:30 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-11 07:20 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 19:21 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-10 19:37 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:35 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-11 14:40 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:31 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:45 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-17 02:41 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-17 02:50 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-17 03:27 -0700
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-06 18:07 +0000
        Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 20:51 +0000
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 01:04 -0700
  Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-05 10:39 -0800
  Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-05 11:11 -0800
    Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-12-05 19:59 +0000
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-06 00:08 +0000
        Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 17:24 -0700
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-06 22:51 +0000
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 01:25 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:11 +0100
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:24 +0100
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-08 01:34 +0000
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 08:13 +0000
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-28 17:14 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-28 20:55 -0800
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-12-29 15:12 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-29 15:04 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-12-29 17:52 -0600
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-12-29 18:45 -0600
    Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 21:17 +0100
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-12-05 22:17 +0000
        Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 17:04 -0700
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 21:13 +0100
  Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 17:55 -0700
    Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:01 +0100

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