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Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android, alt.internet.wireless
Subject Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database
Date 2025-12-07 22:05 +0100
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On 2025-12-06 18:13, Marian wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>>> All we need to do that is a BSSID of an AP that isn't in your own home
>>> (because I understand nobody wanting their own home to be geolocated).
>>
>> There are maps which "geolocate" everyone's home.
> 
> Since access points with "_nomap" are clearly in the Apple WPS database,
> this raises serious privacy concerns because the system can be abused to
> track homes and individuals globally (as reported by researchers).
> 
> For you to claim all security researchers are wrong is classic.
> I, for one, trust the security professionals (and I read their papers).
> 
>   <https://www.cs.umd.edu/~dml/papers/wifi-surveillance-sp24.pdf>
>      "In this work, we show that Apple's WPS implementation
>      can easily be abused to create a serious privacy threat
>      on a global scale."
> 
>>> If it's that easy for anyone to look up where we live based only on our
>>> BSSID, then there's something horrid going on, don't you think?
>>
>> The only horrid[2] thing is how inept you are.
> 
> Well, it's a good thing you Apple trolls are the only people claiming I'm
> "inept", especially given I happen to be well informed on privacy issues.
> 
> I think the main reason you love to claim that I'm "inept" is because you
> are desperate to defend Apple's actions to the death, no matter what.
> 
> Keeping your unique BSSID/GPS/SSID/dBm/timestamp/etc metadata out of the
> Apple WPS database simply by adding "_nomap" should be one of those things.
> 
> For anyone to claim we have no right to privacy is to deny a fundamental
> human freedom. Privacy is not a luxury; it is a cornerstone of autonomy and
> dignity.

I'm unsure about that.

The only reference to privacy in the "Universal Declaration of Human 
Rights" is this:

Article 12

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, 
family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and 
reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against 
such interference or attacks.



You would have to prove that your house BSSID being listed is a breach 
of your fundamental right to privacy, because an AP is not directly 
linked to your person.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 05:08 -0700
  Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-05 12:17 +0000
    Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 06:28 -0700
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-12-05 17:42 +0000
        Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 17:16 -0700
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 02:02 +0100
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-05 17:25 -0800
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 18:53 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:02 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 10:13 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 21:43 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-08 01:17 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-08 07:04 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 00:19 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-18 14:37 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-28 10:54 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 14:43 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 10:13 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 18:02 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 12:06 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-06 15:07 -0800
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:32 +0000
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 14:50 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-08 21:19 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 00:26 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:54 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:37 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 19:13 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 10:24 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 10:24 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 21:00 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-14 16:44 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 23:16 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-17 00:29 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-08 13:02 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-08 09:04 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 00:31 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 20:05 -0700
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 13:36 +0000
        Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 10:13 -0700
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 20:51 +0000
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-06 22:38 +0000
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 23:53 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-07 10:23 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 09:29 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 11:05 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-07 14:02 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 22:36 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 20:14 -0700
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 21:53 +0100
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 20:27 -0700
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 20:37 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-08 09:16 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-08 06:46 -0700
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:05 +0100
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-08 06:50 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 00:37 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:24 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-10 19:10 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-10 19:30 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:30 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-11 07:20 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 19:21 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-10 19:37 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:35 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-11 14:40 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:31 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:45 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-17 02:41 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-17 02:50 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-17 03:27 -0700
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-06 18:07 +0000
        Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 20:51 +0000
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 01:04 -0700
  Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-05 10:39 -0800
  Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-05 11:11 -0800
    Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-12-05 19:59 +0000
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-06 00:08 +0000
        Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 17:24 -0700
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-06 22:51 +0000
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 01:25 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:11 +0100
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:24 +0100
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-08 01:34 +0000
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 08:13 +0000
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-28 17:14 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-28 20:55 -0800
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-12-29 15:12 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-29 15:04 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-12-29 17:52 -0600
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-12-29 18:45 -0600
    Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 21:17 +0100
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-12-05 22:17 +0000
        Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 17:04 -0700
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 21:13 +0100
  Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 17:55 -0700
    Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:01 +0100

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