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  Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-12 09:53 +0000
    Re: Do you use a password manager? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2021-07-12 07:37 -0400
      Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-12 07:41 -0400
      Re: Do you use a password manager? "Andy K." <andy.k466@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 15:14 +0200
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-12 21:45 +0000
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> - 2021-07-12 15:17 +0000
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Lamey <lametroll@invalid.invalid> - 2021-07-12 09:36 -0600
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-12 21:46 +0000
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2021-07-19 10:43 -0400
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-07-12 15:40 +0000
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 11:52 -0700
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-12 19:58 +0000
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 13:15 -0700
            Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-12 16:27 -0400
              Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 13:48 -0700
                Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-12 17:14 -0400
                  Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 14:43 -0700
                    Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-12 18:11 -0400
                      Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 15:52 -0700
                        Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-12 19:18 -0400
                          Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 16:57 -0700
                            Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-12 20:25 -0400
                              Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 21:41 -0700
                                Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-14 07:10 +0000
                            Re: Do you use a password manager? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-07-13 01:08 +0000
                            Re: Do you use a password manager? Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> - 2021-07-13 14:43 +0000
                            Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-13 15:59 +0000
                              Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-13 13:55 -0700
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-13 15:48 +0000
              Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-14 07:04 +0000
      Re: Do you use a password manager? om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) - 2021-07-16 16:34 +0300
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-16 15:06 +0000
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-16 20:10 +0000
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-16 21:51 +0000
              Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-16 22:05 +0000
                Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-16 22:19 +0000
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2021-07-16 11:19 -0400
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2021-07-19 10:42 -0400
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-19 11:08 -0700
          Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-19 14:12 -0400
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-19 20:07 +0000
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-19 14:15 -0700
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-07-20 09:15 +0100
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-20 20:13 +0000
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2021-07-20 16:39 -0400
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-20 15:52 -0700
    Re: Do you use a password manager? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-07-12 15:28 +0000
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-12 21:51 +0000
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-07-13 17:15 +0000
    Re: Do you use a password manager? Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com> - 2021-07-13 01:56 -0400
      Re: Do you use a password manager? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2021-07-17 15:18 +0000
    Re: Do you use a password manager? Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2021-07-14 01:29 +0000
      Re: Do you use a password manager? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2021-07-13 18:43 -0700
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-14 07:00 +0000
    Re: Do you use a password manager? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2021-07-19 10:40 -0400
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-22 08:52 +0000
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2021-07-22 09:52 -0400
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@danwin1210.me> - 2021-07-27 11:27 +0000
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2021-07-28 08:30 +1200
              Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-27 17:30 -0400
              Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-27 22:47 +0000
                Re: Do you use a password manager? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2021-07-28 15:40 +1200
                  Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-28 08:41 +0000
                  Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-28 12:35 +0000
              Re: Do you use a password manager? om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) - 2021-07-28 10:52 +0300
              Re: Do you use a password manager? Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> - 2021-07-28 17:45 +0000
              Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-28 22:30 +0000
                Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-28 18:56 -0400
                  Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-29 07:38 +0000
    Re: Do you use a password manager? Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2021-07-21 13:28 -0400
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-21 12:31 -0700
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-21 21:00 +0000
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-22 01:23 +0100
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-22 08:46 +0000
    Re: Do you use a password manager? rtr <rtr@nospam.invalid> - 2021-11-28 06:51 +0800
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-11-27 23:40 +0000
      Re: Do you use a password manager? om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) - 2021-11-28 14:16 +0200
        Re: Do you use a password manager? rtr <rtr@nospam.invalid> - 2021-11-28 21:06 +0800
        Re: Do you use a password manager? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 10:31 -0800
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-11-29 13:01 +0200
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-11-29 15:52 +0000
    Re: Do you use a password manager? Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2022-02-05 14:43 +0200
      Re: Do you use a password manager? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-02-05 09:41 -0800
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-05 19:03 +0000
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Scientific (she/her) ⚧ <science@danwin1210.de> - 2022-02-05 19:37 +0000
            Re: Do you use a password manager? meff <email@example.com> - 2022-02-05 23:26 +0000
              Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-02-07 09:50 +0000
                Re: Do you use a password manager? scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us - 2022-02-09 19:14 +0000
              Re: Do you use a password manager? Vlad Markov <vlad@happy.dwarf7.net> - 2022-06-02 00:28 +0000
                Re: Do you use a password manager? meff <email@example.com> - 2022-06-07 06:11 +0000
                  Re: Do you use a password manager? Vlad Markov <vlad@happy.dwarf7.net> - 2022-06-08 22:45 +0000
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-07 00:54 +0000
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2022-02-08 22:32 +0000
          Re: Do you use a password manager? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-02-05 19:52 -0800
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-07 00:57 +0000
              Re: Do you use a password manager? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 14:55 -0800
                Re: Do you use a password manager? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-08 01:55 +0000
                  Re: Do you use a password manager? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 21:57 -0800
                    Re: Do you use a password manager? meff <email@example.com> - 2022-02-08 07:00 +0000
                      Re: Do you use a password manager? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-02-09 14:03 -0800
                        Re: Do you use a password manager? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2022-02-09 23:05 +0000
                        Re: Do you use a password manager? scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us - 2022-02-10 17:04 +0000
                    Re: Do you use a password manager? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-08 12:18 +0000
                      Re: Do you use a password manager? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2022-02-08 14:41 +0000
                        Re: Do you use a password manager? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-08 15:13 +0000
                      Re: Do you use a password manager? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-02-09 14:05 -0800
                        Re: Do you use a password manager? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-10 00:46 +0000
                    Re: Do you use a password manager? scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us - 2022-02-09 19:19 +0000
                      Re: Do you use a password manager? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-09 19:29 +0000
                        Re: Do you use a password manager? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-02-09 14:14 -0800
                          Re: Do you use a password manager? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-10 01:19 +0000
                            Re: Do you use a password manager? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-02-10 12:58 -0800
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2022-02-06 11:39 +0200
    Re: Do you use a password manager? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2022-02-06 19:27 +0000
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2022-02-06 18:21 -0800
        Re: Do you use a password manager? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 14:57 -0800
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2022-02-07 19:21 -0800
      Re: Do you use a password manager? El Kabong <twang@the.noodle> - 2022-02-06 22:16 -0800
    Re: Do you use a password manager? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2022-02-12 21:35 +0000
    Re: Do you use a password manager? Y A <y000000000000@ya.ee> - 2023-02-11 08:15 -0800

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#21632

In message <sm0zgpnrzt9.fsf@lakka.kapsi.fi> Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:
> my current platforms which are Linux, Android and Windows.

So why are you posting to comp.sys.mac.system and comp.sys.mac.misc and
alt.atheism?

> case.


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#21723

In article <sch3ep$87h$1@dont-email.me>,
 Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:

> KeePassXC

I used KeePassX 0.4.4 works up to OS X 10.11 and then, after some 
testing, settled to KeePassXC.

I use the same .kdbx file at work with a KeePass Windows standalone 
version and it works great.

I have advocated KeePass to the rest of the family and some use it and 
some don't preferring the iCloud keychain which also seems to work OK 
with less hassle.

-- 
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#21724

On 02/05/2022 04:43 AM, Matti Haveri wrote:
> In article <sch3ep$87h$1@dont-email.me>,
>   Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:
>
>> KeePassXC
>
> I used KeePassX 0.4.4 works up to OS X 10.11 and then, after some
> testing, settled to KeePassXC.
>
> I use the same .kdbx file at work with a KeePass Windows standalone
> version and it works great.

Does it put a text file containing the passwords on your computer or are 
you completely reliant on the thing ALWAYS working forever?

> I have advocated KeePass to the rest of the family and some use it and
> some don't preferring the iCloud keychain which also seems to work OK
> with less hassle.

-- 
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    "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity
     is not thus handicapped."
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#21725

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["Followup-To:" header set to comp.misc.]
The Real Bev wrote:
> Does it put a text file containing the passwords on your computer or are 
> you completely reliant on the thing ALWAYS working forever?

No.  You're reliant on the software continuing to work -- the "database"
file is encrypted.

Equivalent of being reliant on say gpg continuing to work to decrypt a
text file or something.


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#21726

On 2/5/22 7:03 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:
> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.misc.]
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Does it put a text file containing the passwords on your computer or are
>> you completely reliant on the thing ALWAYS working forever?
> 
> No.  You're reliant on the software continuing to work -- the "database"
> file is encrypted.
> 
> Equivalent of being reliant on say gpg continuing to work to decrypt a
> text file or something.
> 
> 
 >

A PGP-signed message, nice. Do you think that there should be a 
newsgroup reader for Android?

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#21727

On 2022-02-05, Scientific ⚧ <science@danwin1210.de> wrote:
> A PGP-signed message, nice. Do you think that there should be a 
> newsgroup reader for Android?

An Android newsreader would be fantastic IMO.

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#21735

On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 23:26:13 +0000, meff wrote:

> On 2022-02-05, Scientific ⚧ <science@danwin1210.de> wrote:
>> A PGP-signed message, nice. Do you think that there should be a
>> newsgroup reader for Android?
> 
> An Android newsreader would be fantastic IMO.

I don't keep passwords on my phone.

I use a shell script called 'pass', which is a wrapper round gnupg. I can 
get passwords without the wrapper if need me, as long as I remember the 
(long) passphrase (which is easy for me to remember, but not for anyone 
else to guess).




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#21746

Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 23:26:13 +0000, meff wrote:
> 
>> On 2022-02-05, Scientific ⚧ <science@danwin1210.de> wrote:
>>> A PGP-signed message, nice. Do you think that there should be a
>>> newsgroup reader for Android?
>> 
>> An Android newsreader would be fantastic IMO.
> 
> I don't keep passwords on my phone.

Since KeePass has already been brought up, Keepass2Android makes password
handling nearly as seamless as on the desktop.

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#21908

On 2022-02-05, meff <email@example.com> wrote:
> On 2022-02-05, Scientific ⚧ <science@danwin1210.de> wrote:
>> A PGP-signed message, nice. Do you think that there should be a 
>> newsgroup reader for Android?
>
> An Android newsreader would be fantastic IMO.


There are newsreaders for Android. I use HotDogEd. Use "nntp" as your
search term in the play store, they are plenty to choose from.

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#21910

On 2022-06-02, Vlad Markov <vlad@happy.dwarf7.net> wrote:
> There are newsreaders for Android. I use HotDogEd. Use "nntp" as your
> search term in the play store, they are plenty to choose from.

Huh I think I was looking around in F-Droid and never bothered looking
in the Play Store. My mistake, there are a couple apps here I'd like
to try out. Is "HotDogEd NNTP Provider" the one you use?

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#21916

On 2022-06-07, meff <email@example.com> wrote:
> On 2022-06-02, Vlad Markov <vlad@happy.dwarf7.net> wrote:
>> There are newsreaders for Android. I use HotDogEd. Use "nntp" as your
>> search term in the play store, they are plenty to choose from.
>
> Huh I think I was looking around in F-Droid and never bothered looking
> in the Play Store. My mistake, there are a couple apps here I'd like
> to try out. Is "HotDogEd NNTP Provider" the one you use?


Yes, that is the one I use. For some reason I ended up installing 2
apps to get it going. I do not like that it "catches up" on the server
vice the group.

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#21731

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Scientific ⚧ wrote:
> A PGP-signed message, nice. Do you think that there should be a 
> newsgroup reader for Android?

If people find it useful, I'm sure they'd write it.  I am ambivalent on
the matter -- I'd just as soon ssh back to a system that has slrn on it.

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#21745

In comp.misc, Scientific (she/her) ⚧ <science@danwin1210.de> wrote:
> A PGP-signed message, nice. Do you think that there should be a 
> newsgroup reader for Android?

Install termux, compile any Unix newsreader you like. I did it with trn,
but only as proof of concept, using it for just a couple of posts.

My preferred method is ssh to Unix host, run tmux, read  news in there.
The tmux allows me to easily switch sessions between various devices.
The various devices then don't need a local newsrc.

Termux is my preferred ssh environment on Android, too.

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.termux/

Elijah
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#21728

On 02/05/2022 11:03 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:

> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.misc.]
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Does it put a text file containing the passwords on your computer or are
>> you completely reliant on the thing ALWAYS working forever?
>
> No.  You're reliant on the software continuing to work -- the "database"
> file is encrypted.

People really are a trusting lot, aren't they?

> Equivalent of being reliant on say gpg continuing to work to decrypt a
> text file or something.

For a while I put the text file on my phone encrypted with some android 
encryption facility, but then I removed both.  I don't want to depend on 
an app for anything important.  Much easier to regard my phone as 
potential theft-fodder and not keep anything on it but photos, some 
e-books, maps, email, various utilities (a LOT of utilities!) etc. 
Stuff that I wouldn't actually regard as secret.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    If you are going to try cross-country skiing,
    start with a small country.

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#21732

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The Real Bev wrote:
> On 02/05/2022 11:03 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.misc.]
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> Does it put a text file containing the passwords on your computer or are
>>> you completely reliant on the thing ALWAYS working forever?
>>
>> No.  You're reliant on the software continuing to work -- the "database"
>> file is encrypted.
>
> People really are a trusting lot, aren't they?

I mean, keepass has worked for a decade (or longer). Long as I don't do
something completely daft, I don't see anything wrong with it. 

Granted it only "really" keeps website passwords.  Worst case, I'll have
to click "Forgot Password" somewhere.

>
>> Equivalent of being reliant on say gpg continuing to work to decrypt a
>> text file or something.
>
> For a while I put the text file on my phone encrypted with some android 
> encryption facility, but then I removed both.  I don't want to depend on 
> an app for anything important.  Much easier to regard my phone as 
> potential theft-fodder and not keep anything on it but photos, some 
> e-books, maps, email, various utilities (a LOT of utilities!) etc. 
> Stuff that I wouldn't actually regard as secret.

Sure, but that wasn't the point of the comment I was making.  


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#21736

On 02/06/2022 04:57 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:
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>
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 02/05/2022 11:03 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
>>
>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.misc.]
>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> Does it put a text file containing the passwords on your computer or are
>>>> you completely reliant on the thing ALWAYS working forever?
>>>
>>> No.  You're reliant on the software continuing to work -- the "database"
>>> file is encrypted.
>>
>> People really are a trusting lot, aren't they?
>
> I mean, keepass has worked for a decade (or longer). Long as I don't do
> something completely daft, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Microsoft has been around longer than that.  I actually LIKED win95 
almost as much as win3.x (which was really forgiving when you screwed 
up).  It's gone downhill since then and my last update was 7.  I would 
hate to be dependent on MS for anything important, which is why I 
convert my tax files to pdfs on my linux machine as soon as I finish them.

LinusT doesn't annoy me with unwanted updates :-)  Gates et al. can be 
really annoying sometimes.

> Granted it only "really" keeps website passwords.  Worst case, I'll have
> to click "Forgot Password" somewhere.
>>
>>> Equivalent of being reliant on say gpg continuing to work to decrypt a
>>> text file or something.
>>
>> For a while I put the text file on my phone encrypted with some android
>> encryption facility, but then I removed both.  I don't want to depend on
>> an app for anything important.  Much easier to regard my phone as
>> potential theft-fodder and not keep anything on it but photos, some
>> e-books, maps, email, various utilities (a LOT of utilities!) etc.
>> Stuff that I wouldn't actually regard as secret.
>
> Sure, but that wasn't the point of the comment I was making.

No, but threads drift.  Chris Ilias used to have a serious problem with 
that :-)


-- 
Cheers, Bev
     "I'm sorry I ever invented the Electoral College."
                                     Al Gore 11/08/00

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#21738

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The Real Bev wrote:
> On 02/06/2022 04:57 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 02/05/2022 11:03 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
>>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.misc.]
>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> Does it put a text file containing the passwords on your computer or are
>>>>> you completely reliant on the thing ALWAYS working forever?
>>>>
>>>> No.  You're reliant on the software continuing to work -- the "database"
>>>> file is encrypted.
>>>
>>> People really are a trusting lot, aren't they?
>>
>> I mean, keepass has worked for a decade (or longer). Long as I don't do
>> something completely daft, I don't see anything wrong with it.
>
> Microsoft has been around longer than that.  [...]

I'm honestly not really sure what point you're trying to make here.  One
company's longevity (or not) doesn't really directly correlate to
another's (or the length of time software will continue to run).


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#21740

On 02/07/2022 05:55 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:
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>
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 02/06/2022 04:57 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:
>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 02/05/2022 11:03 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
>>>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.misc.]
>>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>> Does it put a text file containing the passwords on your computer or are
>>>>>> you completely reliant on the thing ALWAYS working forever?
>>>>>
>>>>> No.  You're reliant on the software continuing to work -- the "database"
>>>>> file is encrypted.
>>>>
>>>> People really are a trusting lot, aren't they?
>>>
>>> I mean, keepass has worked for a decade (or longer). Long as I don't do
>>> something completely daft, I don't see anything wrong with it.

You've heard of ransomware, right?  If my bank gets hacked I know that 
they'll eventually straighten everything out,  that the FDIC will keep 
me from losing a single penny, and that the companies whose bills I pay 
on line will understand and forgive.

Not so with a password storage site, which might simply cease to exist. 
  What would happen then?  Would you have to go to each 
password-requiring entity and reset your password?  I hate doing that 
even ONCE, especially when they insist on sending a code to my cell in 
addition.  What about sites that demand your old password before 
allowing you to change it?  What if that's an online-only brokerage account?

>> Microsoft has been around longer than that.  [...]
>
> I'm honestly not really sure what point you're trying to make here.  One
> company's longevity (or not) doesn't really directly correlate to
> another's (or the length of time software will continue to run).

"Past performance does not guarantee future performance."

I have hundreds of passwords, some of which I may not use for years. 
The idea of not being able to access them on my own machine without net 
-- or specific website -- access seems ridiculous.

Not to mention the danger of hackage of the password-storage website.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
     It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in.

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#21741

On 2022-02-08, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not so with a password storage site, which might simply cease to exist. 
>   What would happen then?  Would you have to go to each 
> password-requiring entity and reset your password?  I hate doing that 
> even ONCE, especially when they insist on sending a code to my cell in 
> addition.  What about sites that demand your old password before 
> allowing you to change it?  What if that's an online-only brokerage account?

KeePass doesn't actually need a password storage site. I keep my
KeePass database backed up in my own backups, and the db files are
synced across my devices using Syncthing. My db doesn't ever hit a
"public" cloud and I don't have to trust any third party for access to
it.

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#21749

On 02/07/2022 11:00 PM, meff wrote:
> On 2022-02-08, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Not so with a password storage site, which might simply cease to exist.
>>   What would happen then?  Would you have to go to each
>> password-requiring entity and reset your password?  I hate doing that
>> even ONCE, especially when they insist on sending a code to my cell in
>> addition.  What about sites that demand your old password before
>> allowing you to change it?  What if that's an online-only brokerage account?
>
> KeePass doesn't actually need a password storage site. I keep my
> KeePass database backed up in my own backups, and the db files are
> synced across my devices using Syncthing. My db doesn't ever hit a
> "public" cloud and I don't have to trust any third party for access to
> it.

So your passwords work even if keepass is inexplicably down and you 
don't know what they are?  Is there any way to find out what they are? 
I assume you're using a password-generator that gives appropriate 
combinations of unintelligible characters...

What I'm really asking:  Can you access legible passwords (that you can 
feed into your broker/bank/whatever by hand) if keepass ceases to exist?

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "Calling someone an asshole for being rude to a telemarketer
    is like accusing someone who's shot a burglar in his home
    of being a poor host."                        -- W.S.Rowell

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