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  Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-03 23:44 +0000
    Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-05-04 01:16 +0100
      Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2026-05-04 01:20 +0042
        Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-05-04 03:04 +0100
          Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-04 09:55 +0100
          Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> - 2026-05-04 11:32 +0000
          Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2026-05-04 15:36 +0042
            Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> - 2026-05-05 17:55 +0100
              Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? none <none@none.rip> - 2026-05-05 19:28 +0200
                Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> - 2026-05-05 17:56 +0000
                  Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? none <none@none.rip> - 2026-05-05 20:27 +0200
                    Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> - 2026-05-05 18:37 +0000
                      Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? none <none@none.rip> - 2026-05-05 20:46 +0200
                        Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> - 2026-05-05 19:56 +0000
    Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? none <none@none.rip> - 2026-05-04 03:15 +0200
      Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> - 2026-05-04 13:55 +0000
    Re: Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World? JJ <jj4public@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 12:30 +0700

#28518 — Is The US Cutting Itself Off From The World?

The US is stopping China-based labs from certifying equipment destined
to be exported there
<https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/fcc-votes-to-ban-all-chinese-labs-from-certifying-electronics-sold-in-the-us>.

Which is going to be fun in itself, but then I read this bit:

    The new proposal would also consider banning U.S. carriers from
    interconnecting with any company on the FCC's national security
    "Covered List" or any carrier using equipment from Huawei or ZTE.

I suspect much of the rest of the world would be heavy users of
Chinese equipment. So such a ban would effectively cut off US-based
phone carriers from communicating with, probably, most of the rest of
the world, if not all of it.

Cut off your nose to spite your face, much?

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#28519

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> The US is stopping China-based labs from certifying equipment destined
> to be exported there
> <https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/fcc-votes-to-ban-all-chinese-labs-from-certifying-electronics-sold-in-the-us>.
> 
> Which is going to be fun in itself, but then I read this bit:
> 
>     The new proposal would also consider banning U.S. carriers from
>     interconnecting with any company on the FCC's national security
>     "Covered List" or any carrier using equipment from Huawei or ZTE.
> 
> I suspect much of the rest of the world would be heavy users of
> Chinese equipment. So such a ban would effectively cut off US-based
> phone carriers from communicating with, probably, most of the rest of
> the world, if not all of it.
> 
> Cut off your nose to spite your face, much?
>

Echoes of the Iron Curtain, could this be a Silicon Curtain descending
around the US sphere of influence?  Maybe even the Internet itself will
fragment along political power-bloc lines.

-- 
^Ï^.          Sn!pe, bird-brain.          My pet rock Gordon just is.
 

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#28520

snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

> Echoes of the Iron Curtain, could this be a Silicon Curtain descending
> around the US sphere of influence?  Maybe even the Internet itself will
> fragment along political power-bloc lines.

Who would be outside?

Spain?  Germany?  France?  Italy?  Canada?  The whole NATO?  And will
[Presitator Rustface Paleears] NOT flipflop every other night on that?

So a world wide chaos with changing rules at least every other week
looks more plausible to me than a stable IC-2.0 and boy do I hope I'm
wrong on that!  Even the uncomfortable stability of an IC-2.0 would be
better than more years of this chaos!

-- 
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We Share the Same Pain 💔
An Iranian’s Emotional Perspective on America (LEGO Rap Story)
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#28522

yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:

> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> 
> > Echoes of the Iron Curtain, could this be a Silicon Curtain descending
> > around the US sphere of influence?  Maybe even the Internet itself will
> > fragment along political power-bloc lines.
> >
>
> Who would be outside?
> 
> Spain?  Germany?  France?  Italy?  Canada?  The whole NATO?  And will
> [Presitator Rustface Paleears] NOT flipflop every other night on that?
> 
> So a world wide chaos with changing rules at least every other week
> looks more plausible to me than a stable IC-2.0 and boy do I hope I'm
> wrong on that!  Even the uncomfortable stability of an IC-2.0 would be
> better than more years of this chaos!
>

Firstly, I'm not convinced that calling Trump (already a curse-word 
in its own right) "Presitator Rustface Paleears" helps your argument.  
A joke told once may be valid.  A joke told many times is not.

It's plain to me that the US is retreating to what it perceives as its
own sphere of influence:  the Americas, North and South.  This
isolationism has been dubbed by some "The Donroe Doctrine".   

The US seems to me content to concede exhausted Europe to Putin and 
his heirs.  In my view the US is much more concerned with combating the
increasing threat posed by resurgent China and recognises that it cannot
fight on two fronts.

You did not mention the UK.  I imagine that we will continue our rôle as
the USA's "Airstrip One" terra firma aircraft carrier anchored off the
coast of continental Europe, as in Orwell's prophetic novel '1984'.  

In the 1984 scenario the world has divided into three power-blocs:
Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia.  Does that ring any bells?... 

All of which is overly simplistic, obviously.  It says nothing about the
risks posed by oil politics, Islamist jihadism, the rôle of Africa, nor
the overarching dangers of climate change, etc., etc.

There are times when I'm slightly comforted to think that I personally
will be checking out quite soon.

-- 
^Ï^.          Sn!pe, bird-brain.          My pet rock Gordon just is.
 

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#28524

On 2026-05-04, Sn!pe wrote:

> yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
>
>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>> 
>> > Echoes of the Iron Curtain, could this be a Silicon Curtain descending
>> > around the US sphere of influence?  Maybe even the Internet itself will
>> > fragment along political power-bloc lines.
>> >
>>
>> Who would be outside?
>> 
>> Spain?  Germany?  France?  Italy?  Canada?  The whole NATO?  And will
>> [Presitator Rustface Paleears] NOT flipflop every other night on that?
>> 
>> So a world wide chaos with changing rules at least every other week
>> looks more plausible to me than a stable IC-2.0 and boy do I hope I'm
>> wrong on that!  Even the uncomfortable stability of an IC-2.0 would be
>> better than more years of this chaos!
>>
>
> Firstly, I'm not convinced that calling Trump (already a curse-word 
> in its own right) "Presitator Rustface Paleears" helps your argument.  
> A joke told once may be valid.  A joke told many times is not.

I'd go with Iosif Vissarionovich Trump, as quite honestly he and his
administration are really something that sounds close enough to Stalin
and soviet Russia.

> It's plain to me that the US is retreating to what it perceives as its
> own sphere of influence:  the Americas, North and South.  This
> isolationism has been dubbed by some "The Donroe Doctrine".   


But what will happen here? Can we expect that big corps would get a
waiver and international communication would only be possible via
e.g. Meta or Google?

What about companies whose world-wide operation will certainly involve a
diverse infrastructure including PRC-made (unless they mean to target
the Republic of China too?) hardware? Like Visa and MasterCard.

> The US seems to me content to concede exhausted Europe to Putin and 
> his heirs.  In my view the US is much more concerned with combating the
> increasing threat posed by resurgent China and recognises that it cannot
> fight on two fronts.

No, this is looking more like either the newspiece is inaccurate or
somebody is really, really stupid at the FCC.

> You did not mention the UK.  I imagine that we will continue our rôle as
> the USA's "Airstrip One" terra firma aircraft carrier anchored off the
> coast of continental Europe, as in Orwell's prophetic novel '1984'.

News have been that the USA have formally requested to continue using
the facilities at Terceira, so it looks like they're interested in
making use of such NATO facilities. Although IMHO such NATO members
should refuse it on the grounds that if he claims he gets nothing from
NATO, he should get nothing from NATO. Besides the grounds regarding the
gross violations of international law, and crimes of war, of course.

> In the 1984 scenario the world has divided into three power-blocs:
> Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia.  Does that ring any bells?... 
>
> All of which is overly simplistic, obviously.  It says nothing about the
> risks posed by oil politics, Islamist jihadism, the rôle of Africa, nor
> the overarching dangers of climate change, etc., etc.
>
> There are times when I'm slightly comforted to think that I personally
> will be checking out quite soon.

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#28525

On 2026-05-04, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
> yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
>
>> Spain? Germany? France? Italy? Canada?  The whole
>> NATO? And will [Presitator Rustface Paleears]
>> NOT flipflop every other night on that?
>
> Firstly, I'm not convinced that calling Trump
> (already a curse-word in its own right)
> "Presitator Rustface Paleears" helps your
> argument. A joke told once may be valid.  A joke
> told many times is not.

This is an instance of making the mistake of
confusing having a mental illness (TDS) with
having an argument.

Continuously screaming at the sky over an
imagined inner hurt doesn't prove the sky
caused the hurt....

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#28527

snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

> yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:

>> And will [Presitator Rustface Paleears] NOT flipflop every other
>> night on that?

> Firstly, I'm not convinced that calling Trump (already a curse-word 
> in its own right) "Presitator Rustface Paleears" helps your argument.  
> A joke told once may be valid.  A joke told many times is not.

This neither is call by value, nor is it a reference by name.  I just
describe what I see and obviously so far that always was ™good enough™
and never someone had to ask for more hints about who is meant.

I'll continue doing this.

-- 
Warpaint
Ashes To Ashes (cover) in the BBC Music Tepee at Glastonbury 2014
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ou7VwS3pSw>

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#28535

On 04/05/2026 15:54, yeti wrote:
> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> 
>> yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
> 
>>> And will [Presitator Rustface Paleears] NOT flipflop every other
>>> night on that?
> 
>> Firstly, I'm not convinced that calling Trump (already a curse-word
>> in its own right) "Presitator Rustface Paleears" helps your argument.
>> A joke told once may be valid.  A joke told many times is not.
> 
> This neither is call by value, nor is it a reference by name.  I just
> describe what I see and obviously so far that always was ™good enough™
> and never someone had to ask for more hints about who is meant.
> 
> I'll continue doing this.
> 

Duck typing

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then 
it probably is a duck...

-- 
Adrian C

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#28536

On 05/05/2026 6:55 PM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
> 
> Duck typing
> 
> If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then 
> it probably is a duck...
> 

Or hallucination.

-- 
none
http://morena.rip

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#28537

On 2026-05-05, none <none@none.rip> wrote:
> On 05/05/2026 6:55 PM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
>> 
>> Duck typing
>> 
>> If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck,
>> and quacks like a duck, then it probably is
>> a duck...
>
> Or hallucination.

The initial phrase was one Trump Duckrangement
Syndrome sufferer quacking standard issue
quackery to other Trump Duckrangement
Syndrome sufferers, because it seems
to give them great joy to try to
publicly one-up one another in
what they apparently consider
tremendously clever
wordsmithery in
their hating on
Trump.

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#28538

On 05/05/2026 7:56 PM, oldernow wrote:
> 
> The initial phrase was one Trump Duckrangement
> Syndrome sufferer quacking standard issue
> quackery to other Trump Duckrangement
> Syndrome sufferers, because it seems
> to give them great joy to try to
> publicly one-up one another in
> what they apparently consider
> tremendously clever
> wordsmithery in
> their hating on
> Trump.
> 

I don't care. Trump reads my articles daily. He is big fan.
However I just moved his junk into spam folder. No more emails from him.

-- 
none
http://morena.rip

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#28539

On 2026-05-05, none <none@none.rip> wrote:
> On 05/05/2026 7:56 PM, oldernow wrote:
>> 
>> The initial phrase was one Trump Duckrangement
>> Syndrome sufferer quacking standard issue
>> quackery to other Trump Duckrangement
>> Syndrome sufferers, because it seems
>> to give them great joy to try to
>> publicly one-up one another in
>> what they apparently consider
>> tremendously clever
>> wordsmithery in
>> their hating on
>> Trump.
>
> I don't care. Trump reads my articles daily. He
> is big fan.  However I just moved his junk into
> spam folder. No more emails from him.

He just told me to ignore none, that none is a
big time loser peddling nothing but bad,
really bad fake news. He's not even sure
how you got a job moving files between
folders. In fact, he considers people
who use the term 'folder' instead of
'directory' the worst kind of
losers - the kind of worst
kind of losers that have
never been seen.

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#28540

On 05/05/2026 8:37 PM, oldernow wrote:
> 
> He just told me to ignore none, that none is a
> big time loser peddling nothing but bad,
> really bad fake news. He's not even sure
> how you got a job moving files between
> folders. In fact, he considers people
> who use the term 'folder' instead of
> 'directory' the worst kind of
> losers - the kind of worst
> kind of losers that have
> never been seen.
> 

He is old fart, will die soon. My directories will be sprinkling in my 
system long time after he will be under the ground.

My directories were once even files. Because everything was a file!

-- 
none
http://morena.rip

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#28541

On 2026-05-05, none <none@none.rip> wrote:
> On 05/05/2026 8:37 PM, oldernow wrote:
>
> He is old fart, will die soon. My directories
> will be sprinkling in my system long time after
> he will be under the ground.

How *dare* you speak of the nearly dead with
so little respect! You must be troll. I'm
going to report you to the USENET expert
for whom the alt.troll.adam-h-kerman
newsgroup was created! He'll be sure
you're deal with appropriately, i.e.
with a lot of judgement, derision,
and labels that will cause others
to keep their distance from you
lest they be seen to be feeding
you with... with *words*!

> My directories were once even files. Because
> everything was a file!

I'm older..now, so for me everything was an
offset and a length.

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#28521

Good move. I follow.

In compliance with recent legislation I have updated terms to reflect 
recent regulatory requirements.

I banned all Chinese labs for certifying anything. To be progressive I 
banned all labs from every country with immediate effect.

No more country certification at my house!

I still accept good old Soviet Union or Czechoslovak machinery. Those 
are no more countries, so not banned.

-- 
none
http://morena.rip

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#28526

On 2026-05-04, none <none@none.rip> wrote:
> Good move. I follow.
>
> In compliance with recent legislation I have
> updated terms to reflect recent regulatory
> requirements.
>
> I banned all Chinese labs for certifying
> anything. To be progressive I banned all labs
> from every country with immediate effect.
>
> No more country certification at my house!

They're arbitrary distinctions unstable over
time anyway.

> I still accept good old Soviet Union or
> Czechoslovak machinery. Those are no more
> countries, so not banned.

Sounds like what New Jersey is considered by a
lot of people in the USA northeast.

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#28523

On Sun, 3 May 2026 23:44:45 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> The US is stopping China-based labs from certifying equipment destined
> to be exported there
> <https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/fcc-votes-to-ban-all-chinese-labs-from-certifying-electronics-sold-in-the-us>.
> 
> Which is going to be fun in itself, but then I read this bit:
> 
>     The new proposal would also consider banning U.S. carriers from
>     interconnecting with any company on the FCC's national security
>     "Covered List" or any carrier using equipment from Huawei or ZTE.
> 
> I suspect much of the rest of the world would be heavy users of
> Chinese equipment. So such a ban would effectively cut off US-based
> phone carriers from communicating with, probably, most of the rest of
> the world, if not all of it.
> 
> Cut off your nose to spite your face, much?

The biggest enemy is within.
It's not for protecting from outside.
It's for keeping things inside.

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