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  How do people live with MS Windows ???? Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2024-05-16 20:32 +0000
    Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-05-16 21:37 +0100
      Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2024-05-16 21:12 +0000
        Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-05-17 06:12 +0100
      Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-16 23:00 +0000
    Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2024-05-16 23:55 +0000
      Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-05-17 06:14 +0100
    Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-05-16 19:50 -0700
      Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-17 03:31 +0000
        Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-05-17 00:16 -0700
          Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-17 09:25 +0200
            Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-17 07:51 +0000
              Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-17 10:33 +0200
          Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-17 07:50 +0000
    Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2024-05-20 22:19 +0100
      Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2024-05-21 15:33 +0000
        Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2024-05-23 16:54 +0100
          Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2024-05-24 20:32 +0000
            Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2024-05-25 16:46 +0100
    Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-05-21 15:19 -0300
    Re: How do people live with MS Windows ???? Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2024-06-16 00:19 +0300

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#24912 — How do people live with MS Windows ????

Tonight I borrowed ny wife's MS Windows 10 home Laptop to take to a 
meeting where I was to give a presentation. I'd logged in to my account 
at home and it ll appeared to be working fine - there was the usual odd 
pause etcwhich I assumed was the usual updates because I'd not logged in 
for a week or so.

At the venue, as soon as I switrched on the laptop it went in the 
"updating do not switch off" thingy. 15 minutes later it's still doing 
it so my presentation has to be abandonned (end of meeting time).

So how do people put up with this? I'm assuming that in business with 
Windoes Pro or whateever, this can be controlled so updates don't 
interrupt important events. Can it be controlled on the home edition?

I don't use MS Windows on my desktop so don't have this sort of thing 
to deal with normally.

Is there any way of taming MS windows updates?

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#24913

Jim Jackson wrote:

> At the venue, as soon as I switrched on the laptop it went in the
> "updating do not switch off" thingy. 15 minutes later it's still doing
> it so my presentation has to be abandonned (end of meeting time).
> 
> So how do people put up with this?

Before setting up for a presentation you can pause updates (for 1-5 weeks)

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#24914

On 2024-05-16, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Jim Jackson wrote:
>
>> At the venue, as soon as I switrched on the laptop it went in the
>> "updating do not switch off" thingy. 15 minutes later it's still doing
>> it so my presentation has to be abandonned (end of meeting time).
>> 
>> So how do people put up with this?
>
> Before setting up for a presentation you can pause updates (for 1-5 weeks)
>

Ah news to me - I will google it.

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#24919

Jim Jackson wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> you can pause updates (for 1-5 weeks)
> 
> Ah news to me - I will google it.

Start/Settings/WindowsUpdate/PauseUpdates

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#24915

On Thu, 16 May 2024 21:37:56 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> Jim Jackson wrote:
> 
>> At the venue, as soon as I switrched on the laptop it went in the
>> "updating do not switch off" thingy. 15 minutes later it's still doing
>> it so my presentation has to be abandonned (end of meeting time).
> 
> Before setting up for a presentation you can pause updates (for 1-5
> weeks)

You have to remember to do that before it actually starts doing the 
updates.

This is why they say, Windows is a great OS -- if your time is worth 
nothing.

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#24916

Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote in 
news:slrnv4crb8.74q.jj@iridium.wf32df:

> 
> Tonight I borrowed ny wife's MS Windows 10 home Laptop to take to a 
> meeting where I was to give a presentation. I'd logged in to my account 
> at home and it ll appeared to be working fine - there was the usual odd 
> pause etcwhich I assumed was the usual updates because I'd not logged in 
> for a week or so.
> 
> At the venue, as soon as I switrched on the laptop it went in the 
> "updating do not switch off" thingy. 15 minutes later it's still doing 
> it so my presentation has to be abandonned (end of meeting time).
> 
> So how do people put up with this? I'm assuming that in business with 
> Windoes Pro or whateever, this can be controlled so updates don't 
> interrupt important events. Can it be controlled on the home edition?
> 
> I don't use MS Windows on my desktop so don't have this sort of thing 
> to deal with normally.
> 
> Is there any way of taming MS windows updates?

Windows ?? Pro or higher usually allows the user to delay an impending update 
for a day or so.  The typical Win ?? User version does what it wants when it 
wants to.

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#24920

David LaRue wrote:

> Windows ?? Pro or higher usually allows the user to delay an impending update

Home didn't used to allow it, but does now (actually I don't know what 
10 allows now, as all my machines are 11, O/P will need to check for 
himself).

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#24917

On 5/16/24 1:32 PM, Jim Jackson wrote:
> Tonight I borrowed ny wife's MS Windows 10 home Laptop to take to a
> meeting where I was to give a presentation. I'd logged in to my account
> at home and it ll appeared to be working fine - there was the usual odd
> pause etcwhich I assumed was the usual updates because I'd not logged in
> for a week or so.
> 
> At the venue, as soon as I switrched on the laptop it went in the
> "updating do not switch off" thingy. 15 minutes later it's still doing
> it so my presentation has to be abandonned (end of meeting time).
> 
> So how do people put up with this? I'm assuming that in business with
> Windoes Pro or whateever, this can be controlled so updates don't
> interrupt important events. Can it be controlled on the home edition?

That's the nice thing about old versions -- NO MORE UPDATES!  Win7 was 
good about asking before it did one, and I only did the 'essential' ones.

> I don't use MS Windows on my desktop so don't have this sort of thing
> to deal with normally.

Windows 11 is worse.  It was seemingly designed for people who use it 
only for entertainment and don't want to be bothered with anything else. 
  I'm REALLY sorry I let the Win10 Lenovo laptop update to 11.

The only time I use windows (win7, which doesn't hurt as much as it 
could) is for tax prep.  I don't need more learning experiences :-(

> Is there any way of taming MS windows updates?

There MUST be....

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   A recent psychic fair was cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances.

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#24918

On Thu, 16 May 2024 19:50:05 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> That's the nice thing about old versions -- NO MORE UPDATES!

Would you entrust mission-critical business operations to obsolete, 
unsupported software?

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#24921

On 5/16/24 8:31 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 16 May 2024 19:50:05 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
> 
>> That's the nice thing about old versions -- NO MORE UPDATES!
> 
> Would you entrust mission-critical business operations to obsolete,
> unsupported software?

No idea.  Fortunately, I don't have to.

BTW, did you know that the Voyagers are run on FORTRAN?

-- 
Cheers, Bev

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#24922

On 17.05.2024 um 00:16 Uhr The Real Bev wrote:

> On 5/16/24 8:31 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 May 2024 19:50:05 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
> >   
> >> That's the nice thing about old versions -- NO MORE UPDATES!  
> > 
> > Would you entrust mission-critical business operations to obsolete,
> > unsupported software?  
> 
> No idea.  Fortunately, I don't have to.

In most cases, it is a really bad idea, because everything that is
connected to a network (almost all machines are) might be attacked.
Attackers love systems with outdated software, because old bugs still
exist there and finding exploits will be easy.

Another bad thing about old software is that it often runs on old
hardware only. That means you need to have working spare parts in your
stock and that will be hard to find after decades.

-- 
kind regards
Marco

Send spam to 1715897772muell@cartoonies.org

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#24924

On Fri, 17 May 2024 09:25:32 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

> Another bad thing about old software is that it often runs on old
> hardware only. That means you need to have working spare parts in your
> stock and that will be hard to find after decades.

Some people like to tout the excuse “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. The 
potential trouble with that is, if/when it does finally break, they are 
liable to discover they have no idea how to fix it.

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#24925

On 17.05.2024 um 07:51 Uhr Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Fri, 17 May 2024 09:25:32 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:
> 
> > Another bad thing about old software is that it often runs on old
> > hardware only. That means you need to have working spare parts in
> > your stock and that will be hard to find after decades.  
> 
> Some people like to tout the excuse “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix
> it”. The potential trouble with that is, if/when it does finally
> break, they are liable to discover they have no idea how to fix it.

The main problem with that is that often the people who set it up
initially aren't working there anymore. Or spare parts are not
available anymore, especially servers often need special parts from the
manufacturer and refuse to work with stuff from others. Just think
about the bullshit with SFP modules.

-- 
kind regards
Marco

Send spam to 1715925100muell@cartoonies.org

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#24923

On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:16:12 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> BTW, did you know that the Voyagers are run on FORTRAN?

A language which is still being developed and supported.

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#24960

On 16/05/2024 21:32, Jim Jackson wrote:
> So how do people put up with this?

They're smart enough to know how the OS works and handles its updates so 
this doesn't happen. i.e. they update well before they intend to present 
or they disable updates temporarily before presenting or they make sure 
they don't go online before presenting.

Just because you are clueless about the OS doesn't mean everyone else is.

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#24965

On 2024-05-20, mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 16/05/2024 21:32, Jim Jackson wrote:
>> So how do people put up with this?
>
> They're smart enough to know how the OS works and handles its updates so 
> this doesn't happen. i.e. they update well before they intend to present 
> or they disable updates temporarily before presenting or they make sure 
> they don't go online before presenting.
>
> Just because you are clueless about the OS doesn't mean everyone else is.

:-) point taken. BUT, as I understand it, the ability to prevent 
updates for a period is a (comparatively) recent introduction. 

The fact that one can prevent updates for a period came as news to many 
MS Windows users I've chatted to about this with, some of them pretty au 
fait the OS. So it appears that there are a LOT of us "dumbos" out there.

I have always understood that for the home edition the machine updated 
when it needed to - so how do you force it to update earlier as you say 
above? 

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#24973

On 21/05/2024 16:33, Jim Jackson wrote:
> some of them pretty au
> fait the OS

No they're not au fait at all. If they were au fait they would know this 
and many other things people moan about and how to deal with it.

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#24977

On 2024-05-23, mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 21/05/2024 16:33, Jim Jackson wrote:
>> some of them pretty au
>> fait the OS
>
> No they're not au fait at all. If they were au fait they would know this 
> and many other things people moan about and how to deal with it.
>

Ah! so you aren't going to be at all helpfull. I did ask for help and 
you clipped that bit. I think I have your measure.

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#24984

On 24/05/2024 21:32, Jim Jackson wrote:
> On 2024-05-23, mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 21/05/2024 16:33, Jim Jackson wrote:
>>> some of them pretty au
>>> fait the OS
>>
>> No they're not au fait at all. If they were au fait they would know this
>> and many other things people moan about and how to deal with it.
>>
> 
> Ah! so you aren't going to be at all helpfull. I did ask for help and
> you clipped that bit. I think I have your measure.
> 
You're right, I missed that bit.

You can pause updates for 7 days on the Update page. Or you can go to 
advanced options and pause it until a certain date.  I'm not sure 
(because I don't use this option) that there are some updates of such 
importance that the pause until option can be overridden.

This Windows machine is set to check for updates but prompt to install 
them. That means it wants me to manually start the update. This is not 
the default. There are assorted ways of doing this, I used the group 
policy editor to change the option.

Now most of my presentations etc. done at work are done on a works 
laptop where my employer's IT group are in charge of the updates. All 
the updates that involve possible reboots or restarting key apps pop up 
a warning saying updates need to be installed etc. and I have to OK that 
or I can delay it for 1hr or 4hrs before being prompted again. This is 
not typical of domestic environments. Non-work presentations are now 
normally done on a Linux laptop. I use both Linux and Windows (and run 
the same browser/email/tools on both OS). Sometimes I have used a Win 
laptop for non-work presentations normally because I need to demo a 
Windows only program and normally follow the following plan.

1. Go to Update and check for outstanding updates.
2. Install them.
3. Reboot as required.
4. Check for updates again. Repeat till none.
5. Pause updates for 7 days.

That's normally enough and is done a few hours before the presentation. 
Present then enable updates after it's done. I tend to disable 
networking so there are no email received or instant message received 
messages. It also stops some apps which I have set to check for updates 
but prompt to install from popping up.

It really isn't hard. You are going to present using WonderWindows (tm) 
so you do what's needed to stop Windows fannying about for the length of 
the presentation.

What's that old saying a teacher of mine used to say 45 years 
ago..."Fail to prepare? Then prepare to fail!"

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#24967

ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:

> Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote or quoted:
>
>> How do people live with MS Windows ????
> 
>   People with MS Windows can live fulfilling lives by managing
>   their symptoms and making lifestyle adjustments. 
> 
>   Update-modifying therapies (UMTs) can slow Windows progression
>   by modulating the Microsoft Windows Updates, so that people
>   can enjoy extended periods of Windows 7 before stages like
>   Windows 10, or even 11.
> 
>   Taking walks away from the MS Windows computer helps manage
>   specific symptoms like pain and fatigue.
> 
>   Steroids can help reduce inflammation while working with the
>   actual Windows software and Windows application programs.
> 
>   Physiotherapy helps improve functions lost after extended
>   MS Windows sessions and manage any possible disabilities.

()()()

Just so.  The prospect of a radical OS transplant is pretty scary.


-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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