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  Heat Death of the Internet Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> - 2024-05-02 03:54 +0000
    Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-02 12:34 +0200
      Re: Heat Death of the Internet Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-02 12:05 +0000
      Re: Heat Death of the Internet Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-02 14:47 +0200
        Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-03 11:39 +0200
      Re: Heat Death of the Internet Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> - 2024-05-02 14:01 +0000
        Re: Heat Death of the Internet Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-02 21:20 +0200
        Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-03 11:26 +0200
      Re: Heat Death of the Internet not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-05-03 08:52 +1000
        Re: Heat Death of the Internet Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-03 09:36 +0200
          Re: Heat Death of the Internet Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2024-05-03 11:19 +0200
            Re: Heat Death of the Internet Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-03 11:32 +0200
          Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-03 11:32 +0200
          Re: Heat Death of the Internet not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-05-04 08:58 +1000
            Re: Heat Death of the Internet scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2024-05-06 16:43 +0000
              Re: Heat Death of the Internet not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-05-07 08:20 +1000
                Re: Heat Death of the Internet kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-05-12 13:06 +0000
          Re: Heat Death of the Internet kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-05-04 14:01 +0000
        Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-03 11:30 +0200
          Re: Heat Death of the Internet not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-05-04 08:39 +1000
            Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-04 13:03 +0200
    Re: Heat Death of the Internet Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-28 08:34 +0000
      Re: Heat Death of the Internet candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-28 14:40 +0000
        Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-28 19:15 +0200
          Re: Heat Death of the Internet not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-29 08:51 +1000
            Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-29 11:06 +0200
              Re: Heat Death of the Internet not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-30 08:20 +1000
                Re: Heat Death of the Internet candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-30 16:40 +0000
                Re: Heat Death of the Internet not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-31 08:16 +1000
                  Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-31 11:11 +0200
                    Re: Heat Death of the Internet Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2024-07-31 12:13 +0200
                    Re: Heat Death of the Internet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-31 12:45 +0000
                      Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-31 22:02 +0200
                        Re: Heat Death of the Internet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-31 20:28 +0000
                        Re: Heat Death of the Internet Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-31 19:01 -0300
                          Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-01 11:00 +0200
                            Re: Heat Death of the Internet Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-01 10:56 -0300
                              Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-02 22:06 +0200
                                Re: Heat Death of the Internet "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-08-02 21:24 +0100
                                  Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-03 14:09 +0200
                                    Re: Heat Death of the Internet Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-08-04 02:35 -0300
                                      Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-04 11:07 +0200
                                        Re: Heat Death of the Internet Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-08-04 17:21 -0300
                                          Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-05 15:08 +0200
                      Re: Heat Death of the Internet candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-08-02 05:40 +0000
                        Re: Heat Death of the Internet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-08-02 15:45 +0000
                          Re: Heat Death of the Internet candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-08-03 15:10 +0000
                        Re: Heat Death of the Internet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-02 22:07 +0200
                          Re: Heat Death of the Internet candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-08-03 15:10 +0000

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#24843

On Sat, 4 May 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 May 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> I've never ordered from a restaurant online, I expect it's a big
>>> city thing (in Australia, at least). I just searched for a local
>>> place that does pizzas some nights and they don't even have a
>>> website (there's a Facebook page, of course). I went to a fish and
>>> chip place in a city a few years ago that was cash-only.
>>
>> Maybe. I do have a plan, at some point in my life, to move to a smaller
>> city. Not yet, but maybe once I do, I might experience the same thing with
>> a bit of luck. ;)
>
> I wouldn't expect the situation to last forever, probably just a lag
> behind the trend that's set in the big cities.

Sadly true. But who knows? Maybe communities of tired old IT-workers will 
form who are tired to death of technology after a lifetime of service to 
the machine. ;)

>> You do have a point about scratches. When it comes to CD:s I know an
>> audiophile who swears by them. Some love their LP:s, some their CD:s, and
>> I read that casettes are making a comeback.
>
> Though more than any of those I listen to broadcast radio, and
> that's the one old audio technology that the general public doesn't
> seem to get nostalgic about. The distinction between broadcast
> radio and internet radio is being deliberately blurred by
> broadcasters, but why would I pay an ISP to get content that's on
> the air for free?

Ahh broadcast radio. My wife is a fan of it. I am a fan of some _selected_ 
BBC programs. Not a lot of them, and for my fix I do tend to go to the In 
our time website and download them.

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#25344

On Thu, 2 May 2024 03:54:23 -0000 (UTC), Ben Collver wrote:

> You want to watch the trailer for an upcoming movie on YouTube but you
> first have to sit through an ad.

Surprisingly, youtube-dl (or its successors) continue to be actively 
maintained.

> Gregory Bennett is a writer and filmmaker from Wellington whose accent
> comes from Invercargill.

Still can’t beat guess who: “He is not married, has no children, and does 
not live in Surrey.”

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#25351

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 08:34 this Sunday (GMT):
> On Thu, 2 May 2024 03:54:23 -0000 (UTC), Ben Collver wrote:
>
>> You want to watch the trailer for an upcoming movie on YouTube but you
>> first have to sit through an ad.
>
> Surprisingly, youtube-dl (or its successors) continue to be actively 
> maintained.

I thought youtube-dl was shut down? yt-dlp works better for me anyway.
-- 
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#25354

On Sun, 28 Jul 2024, candycanearter07 wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 08:34 this Sunday (GMT):
>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 03:54:23 -0000 (UTC), Ben Collver wrote:
>>
>>> You want to watch the trailer for an upcoming movie on YouTube but you
>>> first have to sit through an ad.
>>
>> Surprisingly, youtube-dl (or its successors) continue to be actively
>> maintained.
>
> I thought youtube-dl was shut down? yt-dlp works better for me anyway.
>

Yes, this is the truth! yt-dlp is the successor. Works wonders for 
downloading documentaries, rare clips, some stuff you cannot torrent. All 
available for free om youtube, to download and watch at your leisure. =)

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#25360

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jul 2024, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 08:34 this Sunday (GMT):
>>> Surprisingly, youtube-dl (or its successors) continue to be actively
>>> maintained.
>>
>> I thought youtube-dl was shut down? yt-dlp works better for me anyway.
>>
> 
> Yes, this is the truth!

No it's wrong actually, youtube-dl is still developed, latest
commit 2024-07-24. I've already mentioned that in two responses to
that poster though (when they went by "candycane"), so I doubt the
value in correcting their statement again.

But development did cease on another YouTube downloader script
recently:
https://www.jwz.org/blog/2024/06/youtubedown-help-needed-2/

> Works wonders for 
> downloading documentaries, rare clips, some stuff you cannot torrent. All 
> available for free om youtube, to download and watch at your leisure. =)

Exactly the case for youtube-dl too, and it supports more Python
versions.

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#25368

On Mon, 29 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Jul 2024, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 08:34 this Sunday (GMT):
>>>> Surprisingly, youtube-dl (or its successors) continue to be actively
>>>> maintained.
>>>
>>> I thought youtube-dl was shut down? yt-dlp works better for me anyway.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, this is the truth!
>
> No it's wrong actually, youtube-dl is still developed, latest
> commit 2024-07-24. I've already mentioned that in two responses to
> that poster though (when they went by "candycane"), so I doubt the
> value in correcting their statement again.
>
> But development did cease on another YouTube downloader script
> recently:
> https://www.jwz.org/blog/2024/06/youtubedown-help-needed-2/
>
>> Works wonders for
>> downloading documentaries, rare clips, some stuff you cannot torrent. All
>> available for free om youtube, to download and watch at your leisure. =)
>
> Exactly the case for youtube-dl too, and it supports more Python
> versions.

youtube-dl stopped working for me, so that is why I switched to yt-dlp and 
everything started to work again.

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#25382

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> Exactly the case for youtube-dl too, and it supports more Python
>> versions.
> 
> youtube-dl stopped working for me, so that is why I switched to yt-dlp and 
> everything started to work again.

You were probably using a distro-packaged version or the old one on
their website. Newer executables built from the development code
are available here:
https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/releases/

Or to download the latest one directly:
https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/releases/latest/download/youtube-dl

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#25388

Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote at 22:20 this Monday (GMT):
> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> Exactly the case for youtube-dl too, and it supports more Python
>>> versions.
>> 
>> youtube-dl stopped working for me, so that is why I switched to yt-dlp and 
>> everything started to work again.
>
> You were probably using a distro-packaged version or the old one on
> their website. Newer executables built from the development code
> are available here:
> https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/releases/
>
> Or to download the latest one directly:
> https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/releases/latest/download/youtube-dl


Ah, yeah. Classic debian. Once I installed the backports version it
worked again.
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#25390

Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
> You were probably using a distro-packaged version or the old one on
> their website. Newer executables built from the development code
> are available here:
> https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/releases/
> 
> Or to download the latest one directly:
> https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/releases/latest/download/youtube-dl

And of course after saying that, it's not working for me today.

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#25392

On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>> You were probably using a distro-packaged version or the old one on
>> their website. Newer executables built from the development code
>> are available here:
>> https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/releases/
>>
>> Or to download the latest one directly:
>> https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/releases/latest/download/youtube-dl
>
> And of course after saying that, it's not working for me today.
>

Try yt-dlp, worked great for me yesterday! ;)

Jokes aside, it is probably just some change from youtube, so do an update 
and it usually starts to work again.

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#25393

D wrote:

>Try yt-dlp, worked great for me yesterday! ;)
>
>Jokes aside, it is probably just some change from youtube, so do an update 
>and it usually starts to work again.

And it's easy, just type yt-dlp -U and it brings you to version
2024.07.25.

-jw-
-- 
And now for something completely different...

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#25394

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> 
>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>> You were probably using a distro-packaged version or the old one on
>>> their website. Newer executables built from the development code
>>> are available here:
>>> https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/releases/
>>>
>>> Or to download the latest one directly:
>>> https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/releases/latest/download/youtube-dl
>>
>> And of course after saying that, it's not working for me today.
>>
> 
> Try yt-dlp, worked great for me yesterday! ;)
> 
> Jokes aside, it is probably just some change from youtube, so do an update 
> and it usually starts to work again.

It is.  Youtube is constatantly making "changes", presumably to try to 
break downloaders and the like in an attempt to prop up their ad 
revenue.

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#25395

On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, Rich wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>
>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>>> You were probably using a distro-packaged version or the old one on
>>>> their website. Newer executables built from the development code
>>>> are available here:
>>>> https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/releases/
>>>>
>>>> Or to download the latest one directly:
>>>> https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/releases/latest/download/youtube-dl
>>>
>>> And of course after saying that, it's not working for me today.
>>>
>>
>> Try yt-dlp, worked great for me yesterday! ;)
>>
>> Jokes aside, it is probably just some change from youtube, so do an update
>> and it usually starts to work again.
>
> It is.  Youtube is constatantly making "changes", presumably to try to
> break downloaders and the like in an attempt to prop up their ad
> revenue.
>

This is the truth! I find it hilarious that youtube is allowed to have 
loads of copyrighted material on it, and no one even blinks. But should a 
new torrent site pop up, that does not even hold the data, the police are 
all over the place.

But different laws for different people and organizations, that is the 
rule nowadays.

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#25396

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, Rich wrote:
>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> You were probably using a distro-packaged version or the old one on
>>>>> their website. Newer executables built from the development code
>>>>> are available here:
>>>>> https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/releases/
>>>>>
>>>>> Or to download the latest one directly:
>>>>> https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/releases/latest/download/youtube-dl
>>>>
>>>> And of course after saying that, it's not working for me today.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Try yt-dlp, worked great for me yesterday! ;)
>>>
>>> Jokes aside, it is probably just some change from youtube, so do an update
>>> and it usually starts to work again.
>>
>> It is.  Youtube is constatantly making "changes", presumably to try to
>> break downloaders and the like in an attempt to prop up their ad
>> revenue.
>>
> 
> This is the truth! I find it hilarious that youtube is allowed to have 
> loads of copyrighted material on it, and no one even blinks.

Well, supposedly youtube processes tons of DMCA requests per day, but 
that process is largely "whack-a-mole" like, so lots of stuff remains 
for a while until the Mafia notices it and files a takedown.  They also 
have their internal "content-id" system that scans and takes down 
stuff (although it is blamed for many more improper takedowns than 
proper ones).

At the same time, an army division's worth of lawyers can provide a lot 
of incentive to the policing types to "tread lightly".

> But should a new torrent site pop up, that does not even hold the 
> data, the police are all over the place.

That's largely due to the lack of an army division's worth of lawyers 
on staff at the new torrent site, combined with the Mafia's view of 
"torrent===piracy in all cases".

> But different laws for different people and organizations, that is the 
> rule nowadays.

It's more "different enforcement levels based upon how much pushback 
the entity in the cross-hairs can produce" and such level of pushback is 
often directly correlated with "how much money that entity can bring to 
the lawyers".

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#25397

D <nospam@example.net> writes:

[...]

> But different laws for different people and organizations, that is the
> rule nowadays.

It has always been the rule.

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#25398

On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, Johanne Fairchild wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> writes:
>
> [...]
>
>> But different laws for different people and organizations, that is the
>> rule nowadays.
>
> It has always been the rule.
>

Not in the state of nature! ;) Jokes aside, to me it seems that it is 
getting worse.

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#25399

D <nospam@example.net> writes:

> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, Johanne Fairchild wrote:
>
>> D <nospam@example.net> writes:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> But different laws for different people and organizations, that is the
>>> rule nowadays.
>>
>> It has always been the rule.
>>
>
> Not in the state of nature! ;)

That's quite correct. :)

> Jokes aside, to me it seems that it is getting worse.

It looks worrisome.

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#25402

On Thu, 1 Aug 2024, Johanne Fairchild wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, Johanne Fairchild wrote:
>>
>>> D <nospam@example.net> writes:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> But different laws for different people and organizations, that is the
>>>> rule nowadays.
>>>
>>> It has always been the rule.
>>>
>>
>> Not in the state of nature! ;)
>
> That's quite correct. :)
>
>> Jokes aside, to me it seems that it is getting worse.
>
> It looks worrisome.
>

But together we can change it for the better! ;)

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#25404

On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 22:06:16 +0200
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2024, Johanne Fairchild wrote:
> 
> > D <nospam@example.net> writes:
> >
> >> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, Johanne Fairchild wrote:
> >>
> >>> D <nospam@example.net> writes:
> >>>
> >>> [...]
> >>>
> >>>> But different laws for different people and organizations, that is the
> >>>> rule nowadays.
> >>>
> >>> It has always been the rule.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not in the state of nature! ;)
> >
> > That's quite correct. :)
> >
> >> Jokes aside, to me it seems that it is getting worse.
> >
> > It looks worrisome.
> >
> 
> But together we can change it for the better! ;)
Trolling for Trump doesn't help. 

-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#25405

On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 22:06:16 +0200
> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Aug 2024, Johanne Fairchild wrote:
>>
>>> D <nospam@example.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, Johanne Fairchild wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> D <nospam@example.net> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> But different laws for different people and organizations, that is the
>>>>>> rule nowadays.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has always been the rule.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not in the state of nature! ;)
>>>
>>> That's quite correct. :)
>>>
>>>> Jokes aside, to me it seems that it is getting worse.
>>>
>>> It looks worrisome.
>>>
>>
>> But together we can change it for the better! ;)
> Trolling for Trump doesn't help.
>

Trolling? On the contrary, this is a public service education to lead more 
lost sheep back to the fold of our great leader! If you repent, Trump will 
forgive you when he wins! =)

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