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  The Age of Apple is Over Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-09-13 23:23 +0000
    Re: The Age of Apple is Over RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-09-13 22:13 -0400
      Re: The Age of Apple is Over Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-09-15 06:53 +0200
        Re: The Age of Apple is Over "RS Wood" <zafiro17@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:31 -0400
          Re: The Age of Apple is Over Zed <zed@blah.invalid> - 2016-09-15 14:21 +0000
            Re: The Age of Apple is Over Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-09-15 17:26 +0300
            Re: The Age of Apple is Over Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-09-15 14:26 +0000
              Re: The Age of Apple is Over The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 14:19 -0700
                Re: The Age of Apple is Over Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-09-15 22:34 +0000
                  Re: The Age of Apple is Over Zed <zed@blah.invalid> - 2016-09-16 00:03 +0000

#12000 — The Age of Apple is Over

https://hackernoon.com/the-age-of-apple-is-over-b4570e2a2955?gi=145aabbe2e2c#.2n3skee4k

Quoting from the URL above:

   This week, Apple unveiled iPhone 7? - ?or, rather, the company's Twitter
   account accidentally leaked the release video before CEO Tim Cook could
   make the announcement.

   It's no big deal because iPhone 7's most noteworthy upgrades are that it
   comes in black, is water resistant and no longer has a headphone jack.
   Nothing earth-shaking.

   Overall, iPhone 7 will be a fantastic mobile device, but that's not the
   point ? most every Apple product is high-quality. That's expected.

   The point is that Apple no longer pushes the envelope. The "Wow!" factor
   is gone. Are you lining up overnight for iPhone 7? Is it even cool to do
   so anymore? Didn't think so.

   Why? Because Apple has peaked.

   And this was apparent well before Wednesday's iPhone 7 yawner.

   The signs that Apple has hit its ceiling are there and have been for
   some time.

   You can point to iPhone sales, which this year will decline for the
   first time since the 2007 launch of Apple's crown jewel.

   Maybe we should've known Apple was maxed-out when it broke ground on the
   "Spaceship," its new $5 billion, Pentagon-sized headquarters in
   Cupertino. Writes Charles Hugh Smith:

   "When banks build new gleaming headquarters, that generally marks the
   top of the bank's fortunes.

   There appears to be some sort of hubris in constructing a monumental new
   headquarters that shouts "we're rich beyond all conception" which angers
   the [business] gods.

   For this reason, we should ponder the glamorous new headquarters
   Facebook just completed and Apple's "spaceship" campus that is under
   construction. . ."

   ...

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#12003

I'm not sure I'd begin writing Apple's epitaph *quite* yet.  They remain
an innovative bunch, with scads of free capital with which to tinker and
explore.  The iphone7 might be humdrum, but that says more about current
market expectations that each device will wow in awesome ways.

The cell phone market has fallen flat everywhere now - anyone who wants
a device has one, and it's not easy to get current owners of a $600
device to turn it in for a newer model.  My own 2014-era device is doing
just fine, thank you and I haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade
— most likely I'll keep onto it until I accidentally damage it.

If nothing else, Apple is keeping the tech press busy all the time with
rampant speculation, disappointment, and punditry.

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#12011

On 2016-09-14, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure I'd begin writing Apple's epitaph *quite* yet.  They remain
> an innovative bunch, with scads of free capital with which to tinker and
> explore.  The iphone7 might be humdrum, but that says more about current
> market expectations that each device will wow in awesome ways.
>
> The cell phone market has fallen flat everywhere now - anyone who wants
> a device has one, and it's not easy to get current owners of a $600
> device to turn it in for a newer model.  My own 2014-era device is doing
> just fine, thank you and I haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade
> — most likely I'll keep onto it until I accidentally damage it.
>
> If nothing else, Apple is keeping the tech press busy all the time with
> rampant speculation, disappointment, and punditry.

Yes, the current disappointment as evidenced by the subject of this
thread could turn out to be stage managed.

All Apple have to do to wow the media at this moment is time is announce
a decent refresh of their Mac hardware.  The "One last thing" bit was
after all missing from the last presentation.  :-)

Hey Apple, gimme a job :-)

-- 
It was untidy, so got unplugged.
It was unplugged, so got thrown away.

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#12014

Paul Sture<nospam@sture.ch> wrote: 
> On 2016-09-14, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> > If nothing else, Apple is keeping the tech press busy all the time with
> > rampant speculation, disappointment, and punditry.
> Yes, the current disappointment as evidenced by the subject of this
> thread could turn out to be stage managed.
> All Apple have to do to wow the media at this moment is time is announce
> a decent refresh of their Mac hardware.  The "One last thing" bit was
> after all missing from the last presentation.  :-)
> Hey Apple, gimme a job :-)


I hope you're right, but my expectations for the new hardware is lowm and most of the recent improvements have been of non-obvious benefit, like the usb-c power plug combo and design so thin the keyboards are now tacky and cheap.

My 2004 ppc titanium powerbook had the single best laptop keyboard I ever used - nice feel, lovely sculpted keys.  Way better than the modern stuff.

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#12016

On 2016-09-15, RS Wood <zafiro17@gmail.com> wrote:
> My 2004 ppc titanium powerbook had the single best laptop keyboard I ever
> used - nice feel, lovely sculpted keys.  Way better than the modern stuff.

A bit tangential, but I find modern keyboards appalling.  The older
Powerbook keyboards were good, as were the older Thinkpad keyboards.
Chiclet keys lack sufficient travel and tactile/auditory feedback.  I don't
understand how anybody can type on a tablet/virtual keyboard.

And...you kids get off my lawn!


Z

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#12017

Zed <zed@blah.invalid>:
> A bit tangential, but I find modern keyboards appalling. The older
> Powerbook keyboards were good, as were the older Thinkpad keyboards.
> Chiclet keys lack sufficient travel and tactile/auditory feedback. I
> don't understand how anybody can type on a tablet/virtual keyboard.

Why do we still need keyboards, mice and screens? Just develop a
Bluetooth adapter for the brain.

iPhone7 is halfway there already. No more headphones needed.


Marko

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#12018

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:21:10 +0000, Zed wrote:

> On 2016-09-15, RS Wood <zafiro17@gmail.com> wrote:
>> My 2004 ppc titanium powerbook had the single best laptop keyboard I
>> ever used - nice feel, lovely sculpted keys.  Way better than the
>> modern stuff.
> 
> A bit tangential, but I find modern keyboards appalling.  The older
> Powerbook keyboards were good, as were the older Thinkpad keyboards.
> Chiclet keys lack sufficient travel and tactile/auditory feedback.  I
> don't understand how anybody can type on a tablet/virtual keyboard.
> 
> And...you kids get off my lawn!

I rarely use a laptop. I just have a desktop wherever I need one!

And they all have Model M keyboards.



-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#12021

On 09/15/2016 07:26 AM, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:21:10 +0000, Zed wrote:
>
>> On 2016-09-15, RS Wood <zafiro17@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> My 2004 ppc titanium powerbook had the single best laptop keyboard I
>>> ever used - nice feel, lovely sculpted keys.  Way better than the
>>> modern stuff.
>>
>> A bit tangential, but I find modern keyboards appalling.  The older
>> Powerbook keyboards were good, as were the older Thinkpad keyboards.
>> Chiclet keys lack sufficient travel and tactile/auditory feedback.  I
>> don't understand how anybody can type on a tablet/virtual keyboard.
>>
>> And...you kids get off my lawn!
>
> I rarely use a laptop. I just have a desktop wherever I need one!
>
> And they all have Model M keyboards.

YESSSS!  We buy them whenever we see them.  The adapters (ps2 [?] to 
USB) aren't cheap.  Radio Shack has them.  DO NOT BE FOOLED by the cheap 
green ones -- they work only for mice, not keyboards.  Trust me.  I have 
a dozen of them :-(

I felt really bad when I destroyed my 1988 (a personal landmark year for 
a number of reasons) Model M by spilling coffee into it.  The 
construction of the keys seemed to preclude water getting into the 
innards with anything short of total immersion.  Obviously I was wrong.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   The Marketing Professional's Motto:  "We don't screw the customers.  All
   we're doing is holding them down while the salespeople screw them."
                                                           -- Scott Adams

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#12022

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:19:15 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> On 09/15/2016 07:26 AM, Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:21:10 +0000, Zed wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-09-15, RS Wood <zafiro17@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> My 2004 ppc titanium powerbook had the single best laptop keyboard I
>>>> ever used - nice feel, lovely sculpted keys.  Way better than the
>>>> modern stuff.
>>>
>>> A bit tangential, but I find modern keyboards appalling.  The older
>>> Powerbook keyboards were good, as were the older Thinkpad keyboards.
>>> Chiclet keys lack sufficient travel and tactile/auditory feedback.  I
>>> don't understand how anybody can type on a tablet/virtual keyboard.
>>>
>>> And...you kids get off my lawn!
>>
>> I rarely use a laptop. I just have a desktop wherever I need one!
>>
>> And they all have Model M keyboards.
> 
> YESSSS!  We buy them whenever we see them.

I have at least a dozen of them.

> The adapters (ps2 [?] to
> USB) aren't cheap.  Radio Shack has them.  DO NOT BE FOOLED by the cheap
> green ones -- they work only for mice, not keyboards.  Trust me.  I have
> a dozen of them :-(

The adaptors I use cost about 5 pounds, and are a small black cube.

Some adaptors fail to work with 102-key keyboards; they only know about 
101 keys.

> I felt really bad when I destroyed my 1988 (a personal landmark year for
> a number of reasons) Model M by spilling coffee into it.  The
> construction of the keys seemed to preclude water getting into the
> innards with anything short of total immersion.  Obviously I was wrong.

The one I am using right now is one I bought in 1989 and have used daily 
ever since.



-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#12023

On 2016-09-15, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:19:15 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> On 09/15/2016 07:26 AM, Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:21:10 +0000, Zed wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2016-09-15, RS Wood <zafiro17@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> My 2004 ppc titanium powerbook had the single best laptop keyboard I
>>>>> ever used - nice feel, lovely sculpted keys.  Way better than the
>>>>> modern stuff.
>>>>
>>>> A bit tangential, but I find modern keyboards appalling.  The older
>>>> Powerbook keyboards were good, as were the older Thinkpad keyboards.
>>>> Chiclet keys lack sufficient travel and tactile/auditory feedback.  I
>>>> don't understand how anybody can type on a tablet/virtual keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> And...you kids get off my lawn!
>>>
>>> I rarely use a laptop. I just have a desktop wherever I need one!
>>>
>>> And they all have Model M keyboards.
>> 
>> YESSSS!  We buy them whenever we see them.
>
> I have at least a dozen of them.
>
>> The adapters (ps2 [?] to
>> USB) aren't cheap.  Radio Shack has them.  DO NOT BE FOOLED by the cheap
>> green ones -- they work only for mice, not keyboards.  Trust me.  I have
>> a dozen of them :-(
>
> The adaptors I use cost about 5 pounds, and are a small black cube.
>
> Some adaptors fail to work with 102-key keyboards; they only know about 
> 101 keys.

Full agreement that the Model M is the king of keyboards.

If you need a new production keyboard, Unicomp is still making them.  You
can even get native USB, no adaptore required.  A bit pricey, but worth it!

http://www.unicomp.com/

No affiliation beyond a satisfied customer.

Z

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