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Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy

Started byRetrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>
First post2025-02-16 16:55 +0000
Last post2025-02-26 21:21 -0300
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  Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> - 2025-02-16 16:55 +0000
    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-16 21:23 +0100
      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-16 23:55 -0300
        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 11:40 +0100
          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 09:26 -0800
            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 22:42 +0100
              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-17 22:23 +0000
                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:20 +0100
              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-19 07:32 +1000
                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-18 23:47 +0000
                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-19 09:42 +0100
                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-03-06 07:10 +0000
                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 20:44 -0300
                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-08 23:44 +0100
                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-20 08:23 +1000
                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 22:22 -0300
                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 15:55 +0100
                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 17:59 -0300
                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:01 -0300
                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 22:51 +0100
                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 22:01 -0300
                              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:29 +0100
                                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-23 22:55 -0300
                                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-24 05:19 +0000
                                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 13:28 -0300
                                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 10:55 +0100
                                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 13:34 -0300
                                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 23:15 +0100
                                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-24 23:06 +0000
                                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 11:10 +0100
                                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 10:08 -0300
                                              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 23:12 +0100
                                                OT: walking and exercising (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:31 -0300
                                                  Re: OT: walking and exercising (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 14:52 +0100
                                                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-27 21:40 +0000
                                                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-01 11:48 +0100
                                                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-05 06:40 +0000
                                                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-05 13:39 +0100
                                                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-05 20:00 +0000
                                                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-05 22:12 +0100
                                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-24 17:54 +0000
                                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 23:41 +0100
                                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-24 23:19 +0000
                                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 11:16 +0100
                                      education Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-03-06 07:55 +0000
                                        Re: education Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 22:00 -0300
                                          Re: education Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-03-08 03:47 +0000
                                            Re: education Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-08 18:27 -0300
                                              Re: education Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-09 02:08 +0000
                                                Re: education Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 02:58 -0300
                                                  Re: education Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-10 18:38 +0000
                                                    Re: education cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-10 19:13 +0000
                                            Re: education Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-03-11 13:30 +0000
                                              Re: education Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-14 11:17 -0300
                                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-25 19:12 -0500
                                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-26 02:08 +0000
                                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2025-02-26 09:06 -0600
                                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-02-26 18:09 -0400
                                          the command line is language (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:46 -0300
                                            Re: the command line is language (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-02-27 03:31 -0400
                                              Re: the command line is language Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 08:10 -0300
                                                Re: the command line is language D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:41 +0100
                                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 14:47 +0100
                                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 13:15 +0100
                                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-26 16:34 -0500
                                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-26 16:38 -0500
                                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-26 22:34 +0000
                                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-26 18:50 -0500
                                              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-27 03:11 +0000
                                                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 08:18 -0300
                                                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-27 17:04 +0000
                                                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-27 18:53 -0500
                                                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-28 21:41 +0000
                                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 22:03 -0300
                                              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-27 03:29 +0000
                                              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:16 +0100
                                                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 12:36 -0300
                                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:55 -0300
                                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 14:43 +0100
                                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-27 17:07 +0000
                                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-27 19:05 -0500
                                              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-03-01 15:06 +0000
                                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-01 11:47 +0100
                                              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-03-01 16:31 +0000
                                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:52 -0300
                                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:15 +0100
                                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-03-01 16:51 +0000
                                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-03-01 17:15 -0400
                                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-02 12:34 +0100
                                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-02-26 12:29 +0000
                                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-26 16:34 -0500
                                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 22:04 -0300
                                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-05 20:00 +0000
                                    more on broken schools (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:38 -0300
                                      Re: more on broken schools (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-26 19:47 -0500
                                        Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 08:55 -0300
                                          Re: more on broken schools kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-27 19:00 -0500
                                      OT: a personal note to Stefan Ram (Was: Re: more on broken schools) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 09:31 -0300
                                      Re: more on broken schools (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:03 +0100
                                        Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 20:30 -0300
                                          Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-08 23:43 +0100
                                            Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-08 21:33 -0300
                                              Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 13:30 +0100
                                                Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 03:00 -0300
                                                  Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-10 10:50 +0100
                                                    Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 08:46 -0300
                                                      Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-11 23:05 +0100
                                                        Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-14 11:31 -0300
                                                          Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-14 23:46 +0100
                                                            Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-16 22:43 -0300
                                                              Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-17 23:44 +0100
                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 22:50 +0100
                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 22:21 -0300
                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 17:06 +0100
                              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-23 23:28 -0300
                                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 11:12 +0100
                                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 14:08 -0300
                                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 23:32 +0100
                                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 22:22 -0300
                                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 11:34 +0100
                                          fdm, paredit and systemd (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 13:18 -0300
                                            Re: fdm, paredit and systemd (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 13:53 +0100
                                              Re: fdm, paredit and systemd Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 06:23 -0300
                                                Re: fdm, paredit and systemd D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:31 +0100
                                                  Re: fdm, paredit and systemd Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 21:10 -0300
                                                    Re: fdm, paredit and systemd D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 00:09 +0100
                                                      Re: fdm, paredit and systemd Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-08 21:41 -0300
                                                        Re: fdm, paredit and systemd D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 13:32 +0100
                                                          UNIX systems (Was: Re: fdm, paredit and systemd) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 03:10 -0300
                                                            Re: UNIX systems (Was: Re: fdm, paredit and systemd) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-10 10:54 +0100
                                                              Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 09:08 -0300
                                                                Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-11 23:09 +0100
                                                                  Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-13 18:17 -0300
                                                                    Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-16 00:03 +0100
                                                                      Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-16 22:41 -0300
                                                                        Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-18 10:50 +0100
                                                                          Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-21 16:26 -0300
                                                                            Re: UNIX systems Matto Fransen <mattof@sdf.org> - 2025-03-21 19:53 +0000
                                                                              Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-24 00:11 -0300
                                                                            Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-21 23:37 +0100
                                                                              Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-24 00:34 -0300
                                                                                Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-25 21:49 +0100
                                                                                  Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-26 23:24 -0300
                                                                                    Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-29 22:31 +0100
                                                                                      Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-29 20:40 -0300
                                                                          Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-22 10:11 -0300
                                                                            Re: UNIX systems kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-03-25 17:40 -0400
                                                                              Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-25 23:04 +0100
                                                                              Re: UNIX systems Charles Dagny <1800@DEV.NULL> - 2025-03-28 21:41 -0300
                                                            Re: UNIX systems onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2025-03-10 15:06 +0000
                                                              Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-11 11:58 -0300
                                                                Re: UNIX systems yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-03-11 15:49 +0042
                                                                Re: UNIX systems cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-11 15:25 +0000
                                                                  Re: UNIX systems onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2025-03-11 16:24 +0000
                                                                    Re: UNIX systems cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-11 17:30 +0000
                                                                      Re: UNIX systems candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-12 22:30 +0000
                                                                        Re: UNIX systems yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-03-12 23:23 +0042
                                                                          Re: UNIX systems candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-13 20:40 +0000
                                                                          Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-13 18:04 -0300
                                                                            Re: UNIX systems cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-13 21:26 +0000
                                                                              Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-14 12:23 -0300
                                                                        Re: UNIX systems cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-13 01:24 +0000
                                                                  Re: UNIX systems Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-03-12 01:38 -0300
                                                                    Re: UNIX systems snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-12 14:03 +0000
                                                                      Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-12 22:19 +0100
                                                                Re: UNIX systems kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-03-11 19:09 -0400
                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-04 02:44 +0000
                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2025-03-04 17:50 +0000
                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-19 09:40 +0100
                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-20 08:29 +1000
                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 15:56 +0100
                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:45 -0300
                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 16:01 +0100
                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:22 -0300
                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 23:02 +0100
                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 22:44 -0300
                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:43 +0100
                              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-23 23:04 -0300
                                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 11:01 +0100
                                  broken schools (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 13:46 -0300
                                    Re: broken schools (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 23:18 +0100
                                      Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 22:34 -0300
                                        Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 11:38 +0100
                                          Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 15:45 -0300
                                            Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 14:05 +0100
                                              Re: broken schools Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-26 13:15 +0000
                                                Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 23:10 +0100
                                                Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 06:49 -0300
                                              Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 07:41 -0300
                                                Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 19:52 +0100
                                                  Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 21:41 -0300
                                                    Re: broken schools yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-03-08 02:59 +0042
                                                    Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 00:14 +0100
                                                      Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-08 22:26 -0300
                                                        Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 22:52 +0100
                                                          Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 08:39 -0300
                                                            Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-11 22:59 +0100
                                                              Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-14 12:10 -0300
                                                                Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-15 23:58 +0100
                                                                  Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-17 00:02 -0300
                                                                    Re: broken schools Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-03-18 03:00 +0000
                                                                      Re: broken schools Eva Lu <evalu@tor.soy> - 2025-03-18 21:20 -0300
                                                                    Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-18 11:17 +0100
                                                                      OT: totally off-topic (Was: Re: broken schools) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-19 13:51 -0300
                                                                        Re: OT: totally off-topic (Was: Re: broken schools) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-19 23:20 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT: totally off-topic Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-21 11:52 -0300
                                                                            Re: OT: totally off-topic D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-23 00:31 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT: totally off-topic Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-29 20:50 -0300
                                                                                Re: OT: totally off-topic D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-04-01 16:43 +0200
                                                                                  Re: OT: totally off-topic Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-04-04 11:20 -0300
                                                                                    Re: OT: totally off-topic D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-04-06 23:17 +0200
                                                                                      Re: OT: totally off-topic Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-04-10 15:19 -0300
                                                                                        Re: OT: totally off-topic D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-04-12 21:05 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT: totally off-topic Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-04-13 13:10 -0300
                                                lifestyles Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:20 +0000
                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:40 -0300
                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 15:57 +0100
          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2025-02-17 18:30 +0000
            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 22:44 +0100
              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2025-02-18 00:08 +0000
                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-18 00:30 +0000
                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:23 +0100
                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:52 -0300
                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-20 01:09 +0000
                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 22:27 -0300
                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-20 21:51 +0000
                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 23:22 -0300
                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:23 +0100
                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 16:07 +0100
                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:35 -0300
                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 23:31 +0100
                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 23:06 -0300
                              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 11:01 +0100
                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2025-02-18 13:48 +0000
                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:56 -0300
                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:22 +0100
                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2025-02-18 14:05 +0000
                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 22:03 -0300
                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 16:14 +0100
                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:47 -0300
                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-20 22:12 +0000
                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 23:15 -0300
                              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 11:04 +0100
                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:21 +0100
                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-23 22:46 -0300
                              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 10:43 +0100
                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2025-02-25 14:20 +0300
                              small communities, nntp server (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 15:20 -0300
                                Re: small communities, nntp server (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 13:57 +0100
                                  Re: small communities, nntp server Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:20 -0300
                                    Re: small communities, nntp server D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 14:49 +0100
                                Re: small communities, nntp server yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-02-26 13:50 +0042
                                  Re: small communities, nntp server D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 23:08 +0100
                                  Re: small communities, nntp server D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 23:08 +0100
                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:59 -0300
                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 16:13 +0100
                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:41 -0300
                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 23:33 +0100
                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 23:12 -0300
                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 11:03 +0100
                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:51 -0300
                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-20 21:49 +0000
                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 23:21 -0300
                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:22 +0100
                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-22 17:09 +0000
                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-23 00:23 +0100
              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:49 -0300
                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 16:05 +0100
                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:24 -0300
                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 23:05 +0100
                      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 22:56 -0300
                        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:51 +0100
                          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-23 23:21 -0300
                            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 11:10 +0100
                              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 14:04 -0300
                                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 23:28 +0100
                                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 21:58 -0300
                                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 11:26 +0100
                                      OT: personal stories (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 11:58 -0300
                                        Re: OT: personal stories (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 13:21 +0100
                                          Re: OT: personal stories Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 06:04 -0300
                                            Re: OT: personal stories D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:21 +0100
                                              Re: OT: personal stories Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 20:49 -0300
                                                Re: OT: personal stories yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-03-08 00:43 +0042
                                                  Re: OT: personal stories D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-08 23:46 +0100
                                                Re: OT: personal stories D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-08 23:45 +0100
                                                  Re: OT: personal stories Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-08 21:37 -0300
                                                    Re: OT: personal stories D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 13:30 +0100
                                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2025-02-25 13:17 -0600
                                    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:21 -0300

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#26747 — Re: OT: personal stories

FromSalvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com>
Date2025-02-27 06:04 -0300
SubjectRe: OT: personal stories
Message-ID<87plj3hi7v.fsf@example.com>
In reply to#26704
D <nospam@example.net> writes:

> On Tue, 25 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:
>
>>> Yes, not to perpetuate the system is one of my reasons for not
>>> voting. It is funny, when I was young, I was very conservative. And as
>>> the years have passed, I've become more libertarian. My father, when
>>> he was young, was a communist, and during his life, he becase a
>>> moderate conservative.
>>
>> I can say the same.  I was quite more leftist years ago.  It is very
>> sensible: if people need protection, say, it makes perfect sense that
>> we'd use our resources to protect them.  But then, with more experience,
>> you realize how non-trivial the situation is and that all of the
>> /sensible/ policy actually ends up working against itself.
>
> Many good hearted leftists are leftists because they cannot see or do not think
> about second order, or third order, or N order effects. They get stuck at the
> immediate problem and do not think of how the consequences of their immediate,
> knee jerk, solution will cause more pain down the line. This is sad. =(

Quite right.  And there is the folly of rewarding A while hoping for B.

  Kerr, Steven. ``On the folly of rewarding A, while hoping for B.''
  Academy of Management journal 18.4 (1975): 769-783.

> Then of course you have evil leftists who are fully aware of this, and
> are leftists due to political power gains.

And there's the post-modernist movement, with their sheer nonsense and
confusion, that finds good reception in such groups---probably more so
than in others.

>>>>> But I found a company that did saliva-based tests, and I called a
>>>>> doctor who watched me perform the saliva based tests on the phone,
>>>>> and eventually she was so tired of the process that she said, what
>>>>> ever... write your own certificate, slap my name and signature on
>>>>> it, and just email me if you travel so I know.
>>>>>
>>>>> So for 1 years, that's what I did. =D
>>>>
>>>> Lol.  She got tired. :)
>>>
>>> Yep! But the did also not like the vaccine, and let me in on a little
>>> secret.  About 30% of her clinics staff were not vaccinated because
>>> they thought the tests were too few and it was too early. Officially
>>> all said they were, and no one spoke about it out of fear of getting
>>> kicked out of the clinic, but in private, during hushed lunch
>>> conversations, many admitted to not getting vaccinated.
>>
>> Very interesting.  I have a similar experience.  Every now and then I
>> hear from someone that they did not take any vaccine, or took one the
>> first shots, giving up afterwards.  Some (sadly) remark that they took a
>> first shot (or a few shots) but they never wanted to.  I have a very
>> close friend, for instance, who said she wouldn't take anything at all,
>> but that her son unfortunately took because he wanted to go to the
>> cinema.  (I almost couldn't believe what I heard.)  Another friend
>> remarked that she took three shots because she couldn't find a way out
>> due to her work---but she works in the same organization as I do.  The
>> rules were the same for the two of us, so that's a case of unclear
>> understanding of the rules.  That's something I've been telling my
>> family for many years.  We need to understand how the system works---in
>> this case, what was available at our work place that we could use to
>> protect ourselves?  The more we understand, the better we can protect
>> ourselves.
>
> I heard about a woman who was kicked out of blue shield due to not taking
> vaccines. She won a law suit and got millions in damages! =D There is hope!

We should check whether she really got the money.  Getting a lawsuit
your way doesn't imply an increase in the checking account balance
(until later).

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#26767 — Re: OT: personal stories

FromD <nospam@example.net>
Date2025-02-27 15:21 +0100
SubjectRe: OT: personal stories
Message-ID<bd98ccdb-5a4a-1d4b-a14f-cdf70759614b@example.net>
In reply to#26747

On Thu, 27 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:

>> Many good hearted leftists are leftists because they cannot see or do not think
>> about second order, or third order, or N order effects. They get stuck at the
>> immediate problem and do not think of how the consequences of their immediate,
>> knee jerk, solution will cause more pain down the line. This is sad. =(
>
> Quite right.  And there is the folly of rewarding A while hoping for B.
>
>  Kerr, Steven. ``On the folly of rewarding A, while hoping for B.''
>  Academy of Management journal 18.4 (1975): 769-783.

True!

>> Then of course you have evil leftists who are fully aware of this, and
>> are leftists due to political power gains.
>
> And there's the post-modernist movement, with their sheer nonsense and
> confusion, that finds good reception in such groups---probably more so
> than in others.

It will destroy itself in time. Since they have abandoned objective truth, and
built their ethos on being the most vulnerable group, they will go down in
flames and in fighting, since nothing can be resolved without any kind of
objective truth to ground discussions. Sadly it takes time.

>
> We should check whether she really got the money.  Getting a lawsuit
> your way doesn't imply an increase in the checking account balance
> (until later).

Also true!

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#26827 — Re: OT: personal stories

FromSalvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com>
Date2025-03-07 20:49 -0300
SubjectRe: OT: personal stories
Message-ID<87zfhwh05c.fsf@example.com>
In reply to#26767
D <nospam@example.net> writes:

> On Thu, 27 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:
>
>>> Many good hearted leftists are leftists because they cannot see or
>>> do not think
>>> about second order, or third order, or N order effects. They get stuck at the
>>> immediate problem and do not think of how the consequences of their
>>> immediate,
>>> knee jerk, solution will cause more pain down the line. This is sad. =(
>>
>> Quite right.  And there is the folly of rewarding A while hoping for B.
>>
>>  Kerr, Steven. ``On the folly of rewarding A, while hoping for B.''
>>  Academy of Management journal 18.4 (1975): 769-783.
>
> True!
>
>>> Then of course you have evil leftists who are fully aware of this, and
>>> are leftists due to political power gains.
>>
>> And there's the post-modernist movement, with their sheer nonsense and
>> confusion, that finds good reception in such groups---probably more so
>> than in others.
>
> It will destroy itself in time. Since they have abandoned objective
> truth, and built their ethos on being the most vulnerable group, they
> will go down in flames and in fighting, since nothing can be resolved
> without any kind of objective truth to ground discussions. Sadly it
> takes time.

It takes time.  Intelligence *always* prevails, directly or indirectly.

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#26828 — Re: OT: personal stories

Fromyeti <yeti@tilde.institute>
Date2025-03-08 00:43 +0042
SubjectRe: OT: personal stories
Message-ID<874j04v19f.fsf@tilde.institute>
In reply to#26827
Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:

> It takes time.  Intelligence *always* prevails, directly or
> indirectly.

The only thing you safely can bet on is human greed.

-- 
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Birthday and Flag Day as a legal public holiday.
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#26839 — Re: OT: personal stories

FromD <nospam@example.net>
Date2025-03-08 23:46 +0100
SubjectRe: OT: personal stories
Message-ID<1ca184d7-7dca-fd5c-c388-4890eec91a22@example.net>
In reply to#26828

On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, yeti wrote:

> Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:
>
>> It takes time.  Intelligence *always* prevails, directly or
>> indirectly.
>
> The only thing you safely can bet on is human greed.

"Greed works" -Gordon Gecko

Capitalism is the only invention of mankind (or emergent phenomena) that 
turns egoism into service to others through the wonders of the market.

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#26838 — Re: OT: personal stories

FromD <nospam@example.net>
Date2025-03-08 23:45 +0100
SubjectRe: OT: personal stories
Message-ID<cd658189-34f1-47d4-0e62-5a491b017be7@example.net>
In reply to#26827

On Fri, 7 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:
>>
>>>> Many good hearted leftists are leftists because they cannot see or
>>>> do not think
>>>> about second order, or third order, or N order effects. They get stuck at the
>>>> immediate problem and do not think of how the consequences of their
>>>> immediate,
>>>> knee jerk, solution will cause more pain down the line. This is sad. =(
>>>
>>> Quite right.  And there is the folly of rewarding A while hoping for B.
>>>
>>>  Kerr, Steven. ``On the folly of rewarding A, while hoping for B.''
>>>  Academy of Management journal 18.4 (1975): 769-783.
>>
>> True!
>>
>>>> Then of course you have evil leftists who are fully aware of this, and
>>>> are leftists due to political power gains.
>>>
>>> And there's the post-modernist movement, with their sheer nonsense and
>>> confusion, that finds good reception in such groups---probably more so
>>> than in others.
>>
>> It will destroy itself in time. Since they have abandoned objective
>> truth, and built their ethos on being the most vulnerable group, they
>> will go down in flames and in fighting, since nothing can be resolved
>> without any kind of objective truth to ground discussions. Sadly it
>> takes time.
>
> It takes time.  Intelligence *always* prevails, directly or indirectly.
>

That is the way! Even though it takes time, and the wait is depressing, 
eventually, as you say, intelligence and positivity always prevail! =)

My proof: We've had nuclear weapons for many decades, and despite all the 
idiots in power, we have _not_ ended civilization. This proves that there 
is more good than bad in man. =)

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#26845 — Re: OT: personal stories

FromSalvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com>
Date2025-03-08 21:37 -0300
SubjectRe: OT: personal stories
Message-ID<871pv79gza.fsf@example.com>
In reply to#26838
D <nospam@example.net> writes:

> On Fri, 7 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:

[...]

>> It takes time.  Intelligence *always* prevails, directly or indirectly.
>>
>
> That is the way! Even though it takes time, and the wait is
> depressing, eventually, as you say, intelligence and positivity always
> prevail! =)
>
> My proof: We've had nuclear weapons for many decades, and despite all
> the idiots in power, we have _not_ ended civilization. This proves
> that there is more good than bad in man. =)

Hey now, hey now... :)  I hope you never regret saying that. :)

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#26850 — Re: OT: personal stories

FromD <nospam@example.net>
Date2025-03-09 13:30 +0100
SubjectRe: OT: personal stories
Message-ID<e87aef67-d9cc-f04e-e9c2-03ad9e835dcb@example.net>
In reply to#26845

On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 7 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> It takes time.  Intelligence *always* prevails, directly or indirectly.
>>>
>>
>> That is the way! Even though it takes time, and the wait is
>> depressing, eventually, as you say, intelligence and positivity always
>> prevail! =)
>>
>> My proof: We've had nuclear weapons for many decades, and despite all
>> the idiots in power, we have _not_ ended civilization. This proves
>> that there is more good than bad in man. =)
>
> Hey now, hey now... :)  I hope you never regret saying that. :)

Haha.. same here. So far it seems to be true though. ;)

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#26686

FromD Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com>
Date2025-02-25 13:17 -0600
Message-ID<vpl4vi$2514p$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#26650
On 2/24/25 4:28 PM, D wrote:
>>
>> I'm not a religious person in the traditional sense of the word, but
>> turns out I find myself one of the most religious person I've ever met
>> because patience, perseverance, lack of ambition and a certain mastery
>> of the art of listening seem pretty religious to me.  For instance,
>> pretty much every religious person I know has at least one tattoo on
>> their skin.  I think that's totally non-religious because a tattoo
>> effectively destroys (at least a bit) something natural that took a
>> zillion years to be prepared---to protect the person.  I think that if
>> God speaks to us at all, it is done through the movement of nature.
> 
> Never been a fan of tattoos. But in my case it is a conservative upbringing
> where tattoos where seen as low class. It is strange how things like 
> that still
> stick with you. On the other hand, it is permanent, and since I don't have
> anything permanent to say, I don't really see why I should get a tattoo.
> 

Most intelligent people realize that the subcutaneous inks used in 
tattooing cause cancer. It's not difficult to predict, when one observes 
that most all foreign substances admitted to the body (whether by 
breathing, ingestion, etc) lead to cancer.

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#26733

FromSalvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com>
Date2025-02-26 21:21 -0300
Message-ID<87a5a8kzix.fsf@example.com>
In reply to#26686
D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> writes:

> On 2/24/25 4:28 PM, D wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not a religious person in the traditional sense of the word, but
>>> turns out I find myself one of the most religious person I've ever met
>>> because patience, perseverance, lack of ambition and a certain mastery
>>> of the art of listening seem pretty religious to me.  For instance,
>>> pretty much every religious person I know has at least one tattoo on
>>> their skin.  I think that's totally non-religious because a tattoo
>>> effectively destroys (at least a bit) something natural that took a
>>> zillion years to be prepared---to protect the person.  I think that if
>>> God speaks to us at all, it is done through the movement of nature.
>>
>> Never been a fan of tattoos. But in my case it is a conservative
>> upbringing where tattoos where seen as low class. It is strange how
>> things like that still stick with you. On the other hand, it is
>> permanent, and since I don't have anything permanent to say, I don't
>> really see why I should get a tattoo.
>
> Most intelligent people realize that the subcutaneous inks used in
> tattooing cause cancer. It's not difficult to predict, when one
> observes that most all foreign substances admitted to the body
> (whether by breathing, ingestion, etc) lead to cancer.

That's indeed the impression I get from reading on various health
subjects as a lay person.  Would you happen to know of a paper on such
inks on skin and cancer? 

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