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| Started by | Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> |
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| First post | 2025-02-16 16:55 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-02-26 21:21 -0300 |
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Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> - 2025-02-16 16:55 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-16 21:23 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-16 23:55 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 11:40 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 09:26 -0800
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 22:42 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-17 22:23 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:20 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-19 07:32 +1000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-18 23:47 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-19 09:42 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-03-06 07:10 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 20:44 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-08 23:44 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-20 08:23 +1000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 22:22 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 15:55 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 17:59 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:01 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 22:51 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 22:01 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:29 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-23 22:55 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-24 05:19 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 13:28 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 10:55 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 13:34 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 23:15 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-24 23:06 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 11:10 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 10:08 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 23:12 +0100
OT: walking and exercising (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:31 -0300
Re: OT: walking and exercising (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 14:52 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-27 21:40 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-01 11:48 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-05 06:40 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-05 13:39 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-05 20:00 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-05 22:12 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-24 17:54 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 23:41 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-24 23:19 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 11:16 +0100
education Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-03-06 07:55 +0000
Re: education Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 22:00 -0300
Re: education Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-03-08 03:47 +0000
Re: education Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-08 18:27 -0300
Re: education Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-09 02:08 +0000
Re: education Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 02:58 -0300
Re: education Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-10 18:38 +0000
Re: education cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-10 19:13 +0000
Re: education Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-03-11 13:30 +0000
Re: education Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-14 11:17 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-25 19:12 -0500
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-26 02:08 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2025-02-26 09:06 -0600
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-02-26 18:09 -0400
the command line is language (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:46 -0300
Re: the command line is language (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-02-27 03:31 -0400
Re: the command line is language Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 08:10 -0300
Re: the command line is language D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:41 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 14:47 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 13:15 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-26 16:34 -0500
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-26 16:38 -0500
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-26 22:34 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-26 18:50 -0500
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-27 03:11 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 08:18 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-27 17:04 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-27 18:53 -0500
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-28 21:41 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 22:03 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-27 03:29 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:16 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 12:36 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:55 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 14:43 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-27 17:07 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-27 19:05 -0500
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-03-01 15:06 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-01 11:47 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-03-01 16:31 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:52 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:15 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-03-01 16:51 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-03-01 17:15 -0400
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-02 12:34 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-02-26 12:29 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-26 16:34 -0500
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 22:04 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-05 20:00 +0000
more on broken schools (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:38 -0300
Re: more on broken schools (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-26 19:47 -0500
Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 08:55 -0300
Re: more on broken schools kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-27 19:00 -0500
OT: a personal note to Stefan Ram (Was: Re: more on broken schools) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 09:31 -0300
Re: more on broken schools (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:03 +0100
Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 20:30 -0300
Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-08 23:43 +0100
Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-08 21:33 -0300
Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 13:30 +0100
Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 03:00 -0300
Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-10 10:50 +0100
Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 08:46 -0300
Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-11 23:05 +0100
Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-14 11:31 -0300
Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-14 23:46 +0100
Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-16 22:43 -0300
Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-17 23:44 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 22:50 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 22:21 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 17:06 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-23 23:28 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 11:12 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 14:08 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 23:32 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 22:22 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 11:34 +0100
fdm, paredit and systemd (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 13:18 -0300
Re: fdm, paredit and systemd (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 13:53 +0100
Re: fdm, paredit and systemd Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 06:23 -0300
Re: fdm, paredit and systemd D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:31 +0100
Re: fdm, paredit and systemd Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 21:10 -0300
Re: fdm, paredit and systemd D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 00:09 +0100
Re: fdm, paredit and systemd Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-08 21:41 -0300
Re: fdm, paredit and systemd D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 13:32 +0100
UNIX systems (Was: Re: fdm, paredit and systemd) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 03:10 -0300
Re: UNIX systems (Was: Re: fdm, paredit and systemd) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-10 10:54 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 09:08 -0300
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-11 23:09 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-13 18:17 -0300
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-16 00:03 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-16 22:41 -0300
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-18 10:50 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-21 16:26 -0300
Re: UNIX systems Matto Fransen <mattof@sdf.org> - 2025-03-21 19:53 +0000
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-24 00:11 -0300
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-21 23:37 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-24 00:34 -0300
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-25 21:49 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-26 23:24 -0300
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-29 22:31 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-29 20:40 -0300
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-22 10:11 -0300
Re: UNIX systems kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-03-25 17:40 -0400
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-25 23:04 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Charles Dagny <1800@DEV.NULL> - 2025-03-28 21:41 -0300
Re: UNIX systems onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2025-03-10 15:06 +0000
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-11 11:58 -0300
Re: UNIX systems yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-03-11 15:49 +0042
Re: UNIX systems cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-11 15:25 +0000
Re: UNIX systems onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2025-03-11 16:24 +0000
Re: UNIX systems cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-11 17:30 +0000
Re: UNIX systems candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-12 22:30 +0000
Re: UNIX systems yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-03-12 23:23 +0042
Re: UNIX systems candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-13 20:40 +0000
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-13 18:04 -0300
Re: UNIX systems cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-13 21:26 +0000
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-14 12:23 -0300
Re: UNIX systems cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-13 01:24 +0000
Re: UNIX systems Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-03-12 01:38 -0300
Re: UNIX systems snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-12 14:03 +0000
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-12 22:19 +0100
Re: UNIX systems kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-03-11 19:09 -0400
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-04 02:44 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2025-03-04 17:50 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-19 09:40 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-20 08:29 +1000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 15:56 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:45 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 16:01 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:22 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 23:02 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 22:44 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:43 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-23 23:04 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 11:01 +0100
broken schools (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 13:46 -0300
Re: broken schools (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 23:18 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 22:34 -0300
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 11:38 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 15:45 -0300
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 14:05 +0100
Re: broken schools Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-26 13:15 +0000
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 23:10 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 06:49 -0300
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 07:41 -0300
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 19:52 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 21:41 -0300
Re: broken schools yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-03-08 02:59 +0042
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 00:14 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-08 22:26 -0300
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 22:52 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 08:39 -0300
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-11 22:59 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-14 12:10 -0300
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-15 23:58 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-17 00:02 -0300
Re: broken schools Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-03-18 03:00 +0000
Re: broken schools Eva Lu <evalu@tor.soy> - 2025-03-18 21:20 -0300
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-18 11:17 +0100
OT: totally off-topic (Was: Re: broken schools) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-19 13:51 -0300
Re: OT: totally off-topic (Was: Re: broken schools) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-19 23:20 +0100
Re: OT: totally off-topic Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-21 11:52 -0300
Re: OT: totally off-topic D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-23 00:31 +0100
Re: OT: totally off-topic Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-29 20:50 -0300
Re: OT: totally off-topic D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-04-01 16:43 +0200
Re: OT: totally off-topic Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-04-04 11:20 -0300
Re: OT: totally off-topic D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-04-06 23:17 +0200
Re: OT: totally off-topic Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-04-10 15:19 -0300
Re: OT: totally off-topic D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-04-12 21:05 +0200
Re: OT: totally off-topic Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-04-13 13:10 -0300
lifestyles Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:20 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:40 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 15:57 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2025-02-17 18:30 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 22:44 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2025-02-18 00:08 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-18 00:30 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:23 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:52 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-20 01:09 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 22:27 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-20 21:51 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 23:22 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:23 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 16:07 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:35 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 23:31 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 23:06 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 11:01 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2025-02-18 13:48 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:56 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:22 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2025-02-18 14:05 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 22:03 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 16:14 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:47 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-20 22:12 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 23:15 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 11:04 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:21 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-23 22:46 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 10:43 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2025-02-25 14:20 +0300
small communities, nntp server (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 15:20 -0300
Re: small communities, nntp server (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 13:57 +0100
Re: small communities, nntp server Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:20 -0300
Re: small communities, nntp server D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 14:49 +0100
Re: small communities, nntp server yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-02-26 13:50 +0042
Re: small communities, nntp server D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 23:08 +0100
Re: small communities, nntp server D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 23:08 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:59 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 16:13 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:41 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 23:33 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 23:12 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 11:03 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:51 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-20 21:49 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 23:21 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:22 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-22 17:09 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-23 00:23 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:49 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 16:05 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:24 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 23:05 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 22:56 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:51 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-23 23:21 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 11:10 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 14:04 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 23:28 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 21:58 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 11:26 +0100
OT: personal stories (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 11:58 -0300
Re: OT: personal stories (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 13:21 +0100
Re: OT: personal stories Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 06:04 -0300
Re: OT: personal stories D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:21 +0100
Re: OT: personal stories Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 20:49 -0300
Re: OT: personal stories yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-03-08 00:43 +0042
Re: OT: personal stories D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-08 23:46 +0100
Re: OT: personal stories D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-08 23:45 +0100
Re: OT: personal stories Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-08 21:37 -0300
Re: OT: personal stories D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 13:30 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2025-02-25 13:17 -0600
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:21 -0300
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-24 00:34 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <878qovcdar.fsf@antartida.xyz> |
| In reply to | #27002 |
D <nospam@example.net> writes: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: > >>>> Right now I get 1 hour, so 3 is a major upgrade. My notebook is quite >>>> new. It's a Lenovo 15IMH05 with 24 GiB of RAM. >>> >>> Hmm, sounds like something is wrong somewhere. I'd install powertop >>> and/or tlp and also make sure to disable Intel VMD in case it is >>> enabled in your bios. >> >> I run OpenBSD and I believe we don't have programs such as powertop or >> tlp around here. I'm going to look into the BIOS. There are some Intel >> features there that I could disable. Some virtualization technology. I >> have enabled them and I saw that the OpenBSD kernel notices them. But I >> doubt I use any of that. > > Best of luck! OpenBSD is strange. On some things it is far ahead, while on > others, it is hopelessly antiquated if things are as you say. =( I doubt OpenBSD was actually designed to save battery. I think secure /servers/ are their target. I think best system is the one you know best and like best. OpenBSD has been very comforting because you read their documentation and you just understand everything. OpenBSD has been giving me a strong sense of control, which is what makes software use pleasurable. (See Donald A. Norman.) >>> With those three, you should be able to double your battery time at least. >>> >>> For me, the biggest difference was disabling intel VMD in the bios, >>> that made a huge difference. >> >> You give me hopes. :) > > Let me know if it makes a difference for you! =) I don't have VMD actually. What I could disable (that was enabled) was a virtualization feature. It doesn't feel like it's doing much, but let's until for a few more days. >>> True. But it would not be convenient for me. The wife would be angry with >>> network cables everywhere. ;) >> >> That was not the image I had in mind. I had in mind plugging an >> appliance into the outlet on a wall. I could perhaps take my computer >> from my desk and lay on the couch with it while I plug it to the outlet >> near the couch. Then it downloads and uploads stuff (like, >> automatically) and then I watch a little TV, say. It would take a >> little while because with my new offline-designed system, the downloads >> wouldn't take just a few seconds for USENET and community messages and >> e-mails; it would also download a few websites (up to a certain depth) >> and videos [interviews, conversations, lectures] and also songs (so that >> now I'd have them offline). So after, say, half an hour, I'd unplug it >> and get back to my desk to continue work. So maybe I'd only connect >> again the next day or whenever. >> >> I really enjoyed this picture. > > Ahh got it! Yes, that makes much more sense. I wrote a script that > plugs into my email program that enables me to download any link in an > email and get the download as an email itself. It's great! I get an > email with a link to an article, then I do not need to leave my email > program. I just highlight the link, press a button, and a minute later > the article comes in text only mode, as an email. Pure bliss! =D Wow. :) What is this e-mail client again?
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2025-03-25 21:49 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <14904dc1-369e-eae0-4197-a243253bdf79@example.net> |
| In reply to | #27030 |
On Mon, 24 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: >> Best of luck! OpenBSD is strange. On some things it is far ahead, while on >> others, it is hopelessly antiquated if things are as you say. =( > > I doubt OpenBSD was actually designed to save battery. I think secure > /servers/ are their target. I think best system is the one you know > best and like best. OpenBSD has been very comforting because you read > their documentation and you just understand everything. OpenBSD has > been giving me a strong sense of control, which is what makes software > use pleasurable. (See Donald A. Norman.) This is the truth! >>> You give me hopes. :) >> >> Let me know if it makes a difference for you! =) > > I don't have VMD actually. What I could disable (that was enabled) was > a virtualization feature. It doesn't feel like it's doing much, but > let's until for a few more days. Oh well... it was worth a try. =/ >> Ahh got it! Yes, that makes much more sense. I wrote a script that >> plugs into my email program that enables me to download any link in an >> email and get the download as an email itself. It's great! I get an >> email with a link to an article, then I do not need to leave my email >> program. I just highlight the link, press a button, and a minute later >> the article comes in text only mode, as an email. Pure bliss! =D > > Wow. :) What is this e-mail client again? Alpine. Check it out here: alpineapp.email. Eduardo, the current maintainer is active from time to time on the usenet group for alpine, and gives great help! It's written in C, compiles very easily (at least for me), and is quite "hackable". =)
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-26 23:24 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <87zfh7xlb6.fsf@DEV.NULL> |
| In reply to | #27031 |
D <nospam@example.net> writes: > On Mon, 24 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: >>> Ahh got it! Yes, that makes much more sense. I wrote a script that >>> plugs into my email program that enables me to download any link in an >>> email and get the download as an email itself. It's great! I get an >>> email with a link to an article, then I do not need to leave my email >>> program. I just highlight the link, press a button, and a minute later >>> the article comes in text only mode, as an email. Pure bliss! =D >> >> Wow. :) What is this e-mail client again? > > Alpine. Check it out here: alpineapp.email. Eduardo, the current > maintainer is active from time to time on the usenet group for alpine, > and gives great help! > > It's written in C, compiles very easily (at least for me), and is > quite "hackable". =) It's a TUI, right? I kinda like to compose a message, stop on it, keep it open, visible, get back to the the inbox, search some stuff, open other messages, perhaps compose new (quick) messages, send them out, look at my previous message being composed and continue with writing it... So a TUI usually means I must draft the on-going message, get it out of the way so I can continue the use the application. For that reason alone, I think I need a GUI one. I used to love slrn for the USENET, for example. I had not discovered Gnus back then yet, so I would draft one article, look at another, draft the new one, edit the previous... I did a lot of that at times. It's definitely okay, but with Gnus around... But I'm glad to know that Alpine has been going great.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2025-03-29 22:31 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <f8bf6acf-e1aa-1865-8f9e-92e325be91b0@example.net> |
| In reply to | #27073 |
On Wed, 26 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: >> Alpine. Check it out here: alpineapp.email. Eduardo, the current >> maintainer is active from time to time on the usenet group for alpine, >> and gives great help! >> >> It's written in C, compiles very easily (at least for me), and is >> quite "hackable". =) > > It's a TUI, right? I kinda like to compose a message, stop on it, keep > it open, visible, get back to the the inbox, search some stuff, open > other messages, perhaps compose new (quick) messages, send them out, > look at my previous message being composed and continue with writing > it... > > So a TUI usually means I must draft the on-going message, get it out of > the way so I can continue the use the application. For that reason > alone, I think I need a GUI one. Ahh... yes. The closest you can get in alpine is "postpone" messages. So I write, then I postpone it, which means it gets saved in a special folder. I can then continue to do other stuff, and once I hit "C" for compose, alpine asks if I want to compose a new message or finish a saved on, and I have then a list of saved messages. It is a TUI in the terminal, so not possible to have several open messages in parallel I'm afraid. I guess another way is to have several open terminals, but then it does feel as if a real GUI is better for you. I can open several alpine programs at the same time, but for me, the regular workflow works. > I used to love slrn for the USENET, for example. I had not discovered > Gnus back then yet, so I would draft one article, look at another, draft > the new one, edit the previous... I did a lot of that at times. It's > definitely okay, but with Gnus around... > > But I'm glad to know that Alpine has been going great. Oh, yes, it has a few decades under the belt! =)
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-29 20:40 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <87o6xjo16i.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #27099 |
D <nospam@example.net> writes: > On Wed, 26 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: > >>> Alpine. Check it out here: alpineapp.email. Eduardo, the current >>> maintainer is active from time to time on the usenet group for alpine, >>> and gives great help! >>> >>> It's written in C, compiles very easily (at least for me), and is >>> quite "hackable". =) >> >> It's a TUI, right? I kinda like to compose a message, stop on it, keep >> it open, visible, get back to the the inbox, search some stuff, open >> other messages, perhaps compose new (quick) messages, send them out, >> look at my previous message being composed and continue with writing >> it... >> >> So a TUI usually means I must draft the on-going message, get it out of >> the way so I can continue the use the application. For that reason >> alone, I think I need a GUI one. > > Ahh... yes. The closest you can get in alpine is "postpone" > messages. So I write, then I postpone it, which means it gets saved in > a special folder. I can then continue to do other stuff, and once I > hit "C" for compose, alpine asks if I want to compose a new message or > finish a saved on, and I have then a list of saved messages. It is a > TUI in the terminal, so not possible to have several open messages in > parallel I'm afraid. Nevertheless, this idea of showing a menu of saved drafts to continue the composition is quite a nice workaround.
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-22 10:11 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <87jz8hgqhd.fsf@DEV.NULL> |
| In reply to | #26939 |
D <nospam@example.net> writes: > On Sun, 16 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: > >>> Only 3 hours? How old is your laptop? Sounds like you should at >>> least be able to get 7-8 hours out of a new one, unless you are >>> running enormous amount of VM:s or scientific calculations. >> >> Right now I get 1 hour, so 3 is a major upgrade. My notebook is quite >> new. It's a Lenovo 15IMH05 with 24 GiB of RAM. > > Hmm, sounds like something is wrong somewhere. I'd install powertop > and/or tlp and also make sure to disable Intel VMD in case it is > enabled in your bios. I run OpenBSD and I believe we don't have programs such as powertop or tlp around here. I'm going to look into the BIOS. There are some Intel features there that I could disable. Some virtualization technology. I have enabled them and I saw that the OpenBSD kernel notices them. But I doubt I use any of that. > With those three, you should be able to double your battery time at least. > > For me, the biggest difference was disabling intel VMD in the bios, > that made a huge difference. You give me hopes. :) >> I run cwm, which is known as not having a virtual desktop thingies, but >> it's actually does. When I press super-1 I go to desktop 1. I created >> 4 virtual desktops (which is enough), but I think I could have at least >> 9 of them. > ... >> Yeah, these things are important---printer, scanner and wifi. Although > > I wonder if it is easy to get p/s/w on cwm without having to pull in > all of xfce under the hood? That would be awesome! What's p/s/w? >> I think wifi is a lot less important than it seems. I've read this >> article yesterday called ``the computer built to last 50 years'' and >> offline mode is quite an important part of it. I agree with that. >> >> The system would be designed to usually function offline. It's when you >> connect to the Internet that it does its pull and pushes. With a system >> like that, wifi is less important---you connect your system to the >> router once a day, say, and, just like pumping gas into a vehicle, you >> get everything you need. Now you can go back to your desk, after >> unplugging the cable from your router. >> >> I like that. > > True. But it would not be convenient for me. The wife would be angry with > network cables everywhere. ;) That was not the image I had in mind. I had in mind plugging an appliance into the outlet on a wall. I could perhaps take my computer from my desk and lay on the couch with it while I plug it to the outlet near the couch. Then it downloads and uploads stuff (like, automatically) and then I watch a little TV, say. It would take a little while because with my new offline-designed system, the downloads wouldn't take just a few seconds for USENET and community messages and e-mails; it would also download a few websites (up to a certain depth) and videos [interviews, conversations, lectures] and also songs (so that now I'd have them offline). So after, say, half an hour, I'd unplug it and get back to my desk to continue work. So maybe I'd only connect again the next day or whenever. I really enjoyed this picture. The author used words like connecting your computer to an outlet like a vehicle that stops by a gas station to pump fuel. >> Clearly, these are people trying to work without distractions and >> interruptions. I am one of them. >> >>> My latest revelation (a few years back) was alpine email, it probably >>> doubled my email productivity compared with thunderbird, and is a "all >>> in one" solution that comes with a lot of help included. Still >>> flexible and extensible though, but probably not as much as mutt or >>> neomutt, but it strikes a beautiful balance for me. =) >> >> Now I would really look into alpine, but I'm a Gnus user, so I'm >> forbidden from performing heretic research. > > Haha... true. Well, if you are already into tui email, I think the > gains will be less. I suspect that alpine is not the most efficient > one. But I think it is perhaps a bit easier to get started with. It's probably easier than Gnus, but in my case I think investing even more into Gnus is the way to go. I would like it to be easier to use.
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2025-03-25 17:40 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <vrv7ru$6qt$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #27022 |
Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: > >I run OpenBSD and I believe we don't have programs such as powertop or >tlp around here. I'm going to look into the BIOS. There are some Intel >features there that I could disable. Some virtualization technology. I >have enabled them and I saw that the OpenBSD kernel notices them. But I >doubt I use any of that. There is something similar available for BSD called powermon(1). As much as I am a fan of BSD and as much as I bemoan the horrible linux bloat and linux's move away from modularism, I have to say that in general BSD is a poor choice for laptops, if only because ACPI support for BSD isn't very good. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2025-03-25 23:04 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <59b9b471-670b-540a-0a36-7bf98b2ec30e@example.net> |
| In reply to | #27032 |
On Tue, 25 Mar 2025, Scott Dorsey wrote: > Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: >> >> I run OpenBSD and I believe we don't have programs such as powertop or >> tlp around here. I'm going to look into the BIOS. There are some Intel >> features there that I could disable. Some virtualization technology. I >> have enabled them and I saw that the OpenBSD kernel notices them. But I >> doubt I use any of that. > > There is something similar available for BSD called powermon(1). As much > as I am a fan of BSD and as much as I bemoan the horrible linux bloat and > linux's move away from modularism, I have to say that in general BSD is > a poor choice for laptops, if only because ACPI support for BSD isn't > very good. > --scott > > I don't know how applicable it is to openbsd, but for freebsd, I used this article with good results: https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2018/11/28/the-power-to-serve-freebsd-power-management/ . Enjoy!
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| From | Charles Dagny <1800@DEV.NULL> |
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| Date | 2025-03-28 21:41 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <878qoosm5w.fsf@DEV.NULL> |
| In reply to | #27032 |
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes: > Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: >> >>I run OpenBSD and I believe we don't have programs such as powertop or >>tlp around here. I'm going to look into the BIOS. There are some Intel >>features there that I could disable. Some virtualization technology. I >>have enabled them and I saw that the OpenBSD kernel notices them. But I >>doubt I use any of that. > > There is something similar available for BSD called powermon(1). As much > as I am a fan of BSD and as much as I bemoan the horrible linux bloat and > linux's move away from modularism, I have to say that in general BSD is > a poor choice for laptops, if only because ACPI support for BSD isn't > very good. Even NetBSD? (I never tried NetBSD.) I probably agree with you. What I don't like about GNU systems is the quality of manuals. On OpenBSD, there's a manual for every driver in the system. There are the manuals called intro (for each section of the manual system). But maybe I should really run a GNU system that can be well tuned to a notebook such as mine. It would be hard to say good-bye to OpenBSD, but perhaps I should only run it on a desktop system. By the way, I can't find a program called powermon on OpenBSD. Perhaps OpenBSD doesn't have it.
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| From | onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) |
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| Date | 2025-03-10 15:06 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <1r8zj3f.xvrkua1q2u5x8N%onion@anon.invalid> |
| In reply to | #26858 |
Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: > I believe Plan 9 is doing pretty well ... <https://youtu.be/-zNSQmS2gls> -- \|/ (((Ï))) - Mr Ön!on When we shake the ketchup bottle At first none comes and then a lot'll.
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-11 11:58 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <87o6y7bomx.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #26871 |
onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) writes: > Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: > >> I believe Plan 9 is doing pretty well ... > > <https://youtu.be/-zNSQmS2gls> Thanks! Have you watched? Can you explain why they choose the name?
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| From | yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> |
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| Date | 2025-03-11 15:49 +0042 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <87ldtbppwe.fsf@tilde.institute> |
| In reply to | #26876 |
Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: > onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) writes: > >> Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: >> >>> I believe Plan 9 is doing pretty well ... >> >> <https://youtu.be/-zNSQmS2gls> > > Thanks! Have you watched? Can you explain why they choose the name? <https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/lfaq/index.html> | | * Where did the name come from? | | It was chosen in the Bell Labs tradition of selecting names that make | marketeers wince. The developers also wished to pay homage to the | famous Ed Wood's film, Plan 9 From Outer Space, which is about aliens | who bring earthly corpses back to life. . -- I do not bite, I just want to play.
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| From | cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) |
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| Date | 2025-03-11 15:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <vqpklq$nkv$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #26876 |
In article <87o6y7bomx.fsf@example.com>, Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: >onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) writes: > >> Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: >> >>> I believe Plan 9 is doing pretty well ... >> >> <https://youtu.be/-zNSQmS2gls> > >Thanks! Have you watched? Can you explain why they choose the name? The operating system or the movie? I don't know why the movie was called that; perhaps Ed Wood just thought it was clever. It refers to a plot point, the 9th extraterrestrial plan to destroy earth. At Bell Labs, in the 1127 research group, it was something of a tradition to give things names that were a bit of a joke, and also gave others headaches. The original name for "Unix" was UNICS, as a pun on Multics, for example (and some have claimed it had a double meaning as an off-color joke making reference to a "castrated" version of its predecessor, especially given that the usual pronunciation was aliterative with the word "eunuchs". I'm not sure I believe that, though). Anyway, Plan 9, the operating system, was named in a similar vein after the movie. There are a few other historical movie references associated with it, as well: the original window system was named "8 1/2" (though using the Unicode code point for the fraction 1/2), in reference to the Fellini film. In between the 2nd and 3rd Editions, the working name for the system at the Labs was "Brazil", in homage to the Terry Gilliam dystopian cult classic. While the name was changed back to Plan 9 for the open source 3rd Edition release, a small reference to this is left in the name of the current window system, "rio", presumably a reference to Rio de Janeiro. - Dan C.
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| From | onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) |
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| Date | 2025-03-11 16:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <1r91h98.25ytyrndpbdbN%onion@anon.invalid> |
| In reply to | #26878 |
Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote: > In article <87o6y7bomx.fsf@example.com>, > Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: > >onion@anon.invalid (Mr Èn!on) writes: > > > >> Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: > >> > >>> I believe Plan 9 is doing pretty well ... > >> > >> <https://youtu.be/-zNSQmS2gls> > > > >Thanks! Have you watched? Can you explain why they choose the name? > > The operating system or the movie? I don't know why the movie > was called that; perhaps Ed Wood just thought it was clever. It > refers to a plot point, the 9th extraterrestrial plan to destroy > earth. > > At Bell Labs, in the 1127 research group, it was something of a > tradition to give things names that were a bit of a joke, and > also gave others headaches. The original name for "Unix" was > UNICS, as a pun on Multics, for example (and some have claimed > it had a double meaning as an off-color joke making reference to > a "castrated" version of its predecessor, especially given that > the usual pronunciation was aliterative with the word "eunuchs". > I'm not sure I believe that, though). > > Anyway, Plan 9, the operating system, was named in a similar > vein after the movie. There are a few other historical movie > references associated with it, as well: the original window > system was named "8 1/2" (though using the Unicode code point > for the fraction 1/2), in reference to the Fellini film. In > between the 2nd and 3rd Editions, the working name for the > system at the Labs was "Brazil", in homage to the Terry Gilliam > dystopian cult classic. While the name was changed back to Plan > 9 for the open source 3rd Edition release, a small reference to > this is left in the name of the current window system, "rio", > presumably a reference to Rio de Janeiro. > > - Dan C. > Addendum: 'Plan 9 From Outer Space' is widely thought to be the worst movie ever made. I do hope that this does not reflect anybody's adverse opinion of Plan 9 OS . . . -- \|/ (((Ï))) - Mr Ön!on When we shake the ketchup bottle At first none comes and then a lot'll.
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| From | cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) |
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| Date | 2025-03-11 17:30 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <vqps02$pv7$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #26879 |
In article <1r91h98.25ytyrndpbdbN%onion@anon.invalid>, Mr Ön!on <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote: >Addendum: 'Plan 9 From Outer Space' is widely thought to be the worst >movie ever made. I do hope that this does not reflect anybody's adverse >opinion of Plan 9 OS . . . Heh; I've got to admit: I've seen it, and I didn't think it was _that_ bad. Sure, it wasn't what I'd call a _good_ movie, but I am pretty sure that I've seen worse. - Dan C.
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| From | candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-12 22:30 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <slrnvt42jn.3c0ba.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> |
| In reply to | #26880 |
Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote at 17:30 this Tuesday (GMT): > In article <1r91h98.25ytyrndpbdbN%onion@anon.invalid>, > Mr Ön!on <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote: >>Addendum: 'Plan 9 From Outer Space' is widely thought to be the worst >>movie ever made. I do hope that this does not reflect anybody's adverse >>opinion of Plan 9 OS . . . > > Heh; I've got to admit: I've seen it, and I didn't think it was > _that_ bad. Sure, it wasn't what I'd call a _good_ movie, but I > am pretty sure that I've seen worse. > > - Dan C. Is it so bad it wraps around to being good, or is it just flat bad? -- user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
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| From | yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> |
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| Date | 2025-03-12 23:23 +0042 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <874izxna70.fsf@tilde.institute> |
| In reply to | #26892 |
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: > Is it so bad it wraps around to being good, Yip. The overflow flips the sign bit. -- I do not bite, I just want to play.
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| From | candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-13 20:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <slrnvt6gk2.1pt46.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> |
| In reply to | #26893 |
yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote at 22:41 this Wednesday (GMT): > candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: > >> Is it so bad it wraps around to being good, > > Yip. The overflow flips the sign bit. Good to know :D -- user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-13 18:04 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <8734fgvdzr.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #26893 |
yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes: > candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: > >> Is it so bad it wraps around to being good, > > Yip. The overflow flips the sign bit. Lol! Let me also take the opportunity to thank everyone for this thread. I don't feel like watching Plan 9 From Outer Space, but if they had a plan to revive dead corpses on Earth, I believe they mean that Plan 9 could be seen as a way to revive UNIX? But UNIX isn't dead! :P
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| From | cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) |
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| Date | 2025-03-13 21:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: UNIX systems |
| Message-ID | <vqvihp$4hc$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #26897 |
In article <8734fgvdzr.fsf@example.com>, Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: >yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes: > >> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >> >>> Is it so bad it wraps around to being good, >> >> Yip. The overflow flips the sign bit. > >Lol! Let me also take the opportunity to thank everyone for this >thread. I don't feel like watching Plan 9 From Outer Space, but if they >had a plan to revive dead corpses on Earth, I believe they mean that >Plan 9 could be seen as a way to revive UNIX? But UNIX isn't dead! :P "Not only is Unix dead, it's starting to smell really bad." (from Rob Pike (author of, "The Unix Porgramming Environment" ...and much of the Plan 9 operating system. :-D) I've never found the original reference for that quote, for what it's worth, but Rob has never denied it, either. - Dan C.
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