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  They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now D. Ray <d@ray> - 2024-11-04 08:53 +0000
    Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now Tall Henry <not@home.org> - 2024-11-04 11:21 +0000
      Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-17 03:42 -0500
    Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now Lil dwarf Rudey <dumbasastump@invalid.org> - 2024-11-04 10:59 -0700
    Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-04 18:22 -0300
      Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now D. Ray <d@ray> - 2024-11-07 03:48 +0000
        Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-11-07 10:09 +0000
          Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-07 13:17 -0300
            Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-11-07 16:35 +0000
        Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-07 13:15 -0300
        Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now Citizen Winston Smith <sss@example.de> - 2024-11-07 11:16 -0700
    Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now Schlomo Goldberg <schlomo.goldberg@mailinator.com> - 2024-11-17 06:34 +0000
      Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-17 03:47 -0500
      Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2024-11-17 14:58 +0000
        Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-18 10:27 +0100
          Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now Nobody <nobody@noone.not> - 2024-11-18 11:53 -0600
            Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-20 06:28 +0000
          Re: They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2024-11-18 19:56 +0000
    Re: They [sic] Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now – No, That Is Bullshit NoBody <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-11-17 15:22 -0800
      Re: They [sic] Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now – No, That Is Bullshit D. Ray <d@ray> - 2024-11-18 10:08 +0000

#25960 — They Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now

Instances of censorship are growing to the point of normalization. Despite
ongoing litigation and more public attention, mainstream social media has
been more ferocious in recent months than ever before. Podcasters know for
sure what will be instantly deleted and debate among themselves over
content in gray areas. Some like Brownstone have given up on YouTube in
favor of Rumble, sacrificing vast audiences if only to see their content
survive to see the light of day. 

It’s not always about being censored or not. Today’s algorithms include a
range of tools that affect searchability and findability. For example, the
Joe Rogan interview with Donald Trump racked up an astonishing 34 million
views before YouTube and Google tweaked their search engines to make it
hard to discover, while even presiding over a technical malfunction that
disabled viewing for many people. Faced with this, Rogan went to the
platform X to post all three hours. 

Navigating this thicket of censorship and quasi-censorship has become part
of the business model of alternative media. 

Those are just the headline cases. Beneath the headlines, there are
technical events taking place that are fundamentally affecting the ability
of any historian even to look back and tell what is happening. Incredibly,
the service Archive.org which has been around since 1994 has stopped taking
images of content on all platforms. For the first time in 30 years, we have
gone a long swath of time – since October 8-10 – since this service has
chronicled the life of the Internet in real time. 

As of this writing, we have no way to verify content that has been posted
for three weeks of October leading to the days of the most contentious and
consequential election of our lifetimes. Crucially, this is not about
partisanship or ideological discrimination. No websites on the Internet are
being archived in ways that are available to users. In effect, the whole
memory of our main information system is just a big black hole right now. 

The trouble on Archive.org began on October 8, 2024, when the service was
suddenly hit with a massive Denial of Service attack (DDOS) that not only
took down the service but introduced a level of failure that nearly took it
out completely. Working around the clock, Archive.org came back as a
read-only service where it stands today. However, you can only read content
that was posted before the attack. The service has yet to resume any public
display of mirroring of any sites on the Internet. 

In other words, the only source on the entire World Wide Web that mirrors
content in real time has been disabled. For the first time since the
invention of the web browser itself, researchers have been robbed of the
ability to compare past with future content, an action that is a staple of
researchers looking into government and corporate actions. 

It was using this service, for example, that enabled Brownstone researchers
to discover precisely what the CDC had said about Plexiglas, filtration
systems, mail-in ballots, and rental moratoriums. That content was all
later scrubbed off the live Internet, so accessing archive copies was the
only way we could know and verify what was true. It was the same with the
World Health Organization and its disparagement of natural immunity which
was later changed. We were able to document the shifting definitions thanks
only to this tool which is now disabled. 

What this means is the following: Any website can post anything today and
take it down tomorrow and leave no record of what they posted unless some
user somewhere happened to take a screenshot. Even then there is no way to
verify its authenticity. The standard approach to know who said what and
when is now gone. That is to say that the whole Internet is already being
censored in real time so that during these crucial weeks, when vast swaths
of the public fully expect foul play, anyone in the information industry
can get away with anything and not get caught. 

We know what you are thinking. Surely this DDOS attack was not a
coincidence. The time was just too perfect. And maybe that is right. We
just do not know. Does Archive.org suspect something along those lines?
Here is what they say:

> Last week, along with a DDOS attack and exposure of patron email
> addresses and encrypted passwords, the Internet Archive’s website
> javascript was defaced, leading us to bring the site down to access and
> improve our security. The stored data of the Internet Archive is safe and
> we are working on resuming services safely. This new reality requires
> heightened attention to cyber security and we are responding. We
> apologize for the impact of these library services being unavailable.

Deep state? As with all these things, there is no way to know, but the
effort to blast away the ability of the Internet to have a verified history
fits neatly into the stakeholder model of information distribution that has
clearly been prioritized on a global level. The Declaration of the Future
of the Internet makes that very clear: the Internet should be “governed
through the multi-stakeholder approach, whereby governments and relevant
authorities partner with academics, civil society, the private sector,
technical community and others.”  All of these stakeholders benefit from
the ability to act online without leaving a trace.

To be sure, a librarian at Archive.org has written that “While the Wayback
Machine has been in read-only mode, web crawling and archiving have
continued. Those materials will be available via the Wayback Machine as
services are secured.”

When? We do not know. Before the election? In five years? There might be
some technical reasons but it might seem that if web crawling is continuing
behind the scenes, as the note suggests, that too could be available in
read-only mode now. It is not.

Disturbingly, this erasure of Internet memory is happening in more than one
place. For many years,  Google offered a cached version of the link you
were seeking just below the live version. They have plenty of server space
to enable that now, but no: that service is now completely gone. In fact,
the Google cache service officially ended just a week or two before the
Archive.org crash, at the end of September 2024.

Thus the two available tools for searching cached pages on the Internet
disappeared within weeks of each other and within weeks of the November 5th
election.

Other disturbing trends are also turning Internet search results
increasingly into AI-controlled lists of establishment-approved narratives.
The web standard used to be for search result rankings to be governed by
user behavior, links, citations, and so forth. These were more or less
organic metrics, based on an aggregation of data indicating how useful a
search result was to Internet users. Put very simply, the more people found
a search result useful, the higher it would rank. Google now uses very
different metrics to rank search results, including what it considers
“trusted sources” and other opaque, subjective determinations.

Furthermore, the most widely used service that once ranked websites based
on traffic is now gone. That service was called Alexa. The company that
created it was independent. Then one day in 1999, it was bought by Amazon.
That seemed encouraging because Amazon was well-heeled. The acquisition
seemed to codify the tool that everyone was using as a kind of metric of
status on the web. It was common back in the day to take note of an article
somewhere on the web and then look it up on Alexa to see its reach. If it
was important, one would take notice, but if it was not, no one
particularly cared.

This is how an entire generation of web technicians functioned. The system
worked as well as one could possibly expect.

Then, in 2014, years after acquiring the ranking service Alexa, Amazon did
a strange thing. It released its home assistant (and surveillance device)
with the same name. Suddenly, everyone had them in their homes and would
find out anything by saying “Hey Alexa.” Something seemed strange about
Amazon naming its new product after an unrelated business it had acquired
years earlier. No doubt there was some confusion caused by the naming
overlap.

Here’s what happened next. In 2022, Amazon actively took down the web
ranking tool. It didn’t sell it. It didn’t raise the prices. It didn’t do
anything with it. It suddenly made it go completely dark. 

No one could figure out why. It was the industry standard, and suddenly it
was gone. Not sold, just blasted away. No longer could anyone figure out
the traffic-based website rankings of anything without paying very high
prices for hard-to-use proprietary products.

All of these data points that might seem unrelated when considered
individually, are actually part of a long trajectory that has shifted our
information landscape into unrecognizable territory. The Covid events of
2020-2023, with massive global censorship and propaganda efforts, greatly
accelerated these trends. 

One wonders if anyone will remember what it was once like. The hacking and
hobbling of Archive.org underscores the point: there will be no more
memory. 

As of this writing, fully three weeks of web content have not been
archived. What we are missing and what has changed is anyone’s guess. And
we have no idea when the service will come back. It is entirely possible
that it will not come back, that the only real history to which we can take
recourse will be pre-October 8, 2024, the date on which everything changed.


The Internet was founded to be free and democratic. It will require
herculean efforts at this point to restore that vision, because something
else is quickly replacing it.

<https://brownstone.org/articles/they-are-scrubbing-the-internet-right-now/>

<https://archive.md/PlFOX>

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#25962

In article <NAzisChWSkgcKorQfWKJpISdBSJOzVMd@news.usenet.farm>,
D. Ray  <d@ray> wrote:

[snipped]

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2023/07/26/leader-white-supremacist-gang-receives-25-years-federal-prison-armed-drug

Leader of White Supremacist Gang Receives 25 Years in Federal Prison for Armed Drug 
Trafficking and Assaulting an Officer

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#26120

On 11/4/24 6:21 AM, Tall Henry wrote:
> In article <NAzisChWSkgcKorQfWKJpISdBSJOzVMd@news.usenet.farm>,
> D. Ray  <d@ray> wrote:
> 
> [snipped]
> 
> https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2023/07/26/leader-white-supremacist-gang-receives-25-years-federal-prison-armed-drug
> 
> Leader of White Supremacist Gang Receives 25 Years in Federal Prison for Armed Drug
> Trafficking and Assaulting an Officer


   So ? There are assholes everywhere.

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#25963

D. Ray wrote:
> The Internet was founded to be free and democratic.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A 
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/D.Ray/Henry Bodkin and a dozen other forged socks 
wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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From: Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

Swill
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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 > No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to 
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
 > is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the 
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail 
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any 
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any 
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon 
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice 
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office 
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or 
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the 
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the 
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, 
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, 
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in 
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful 
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President, 
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections 
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in 
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The 
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of 
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the 
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3, 
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69 
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title 
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the 
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret 
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has 
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great 
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons 
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to 
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security 
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For 
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the 
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18 
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases, 
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count 
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case 
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday 
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President. 
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five 
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency 
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while 
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats 
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On 
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening 
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to 
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the 
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal 
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another 
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the 
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of 
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count 
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of 
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of 
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with 
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is 
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes 
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this 
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is 
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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#25968

I'm only reading comp.misc and not the other groups.  Should I
set the follow-up-to comp.misc?  Or should I continue to post in groups
I'm not even reading?  What does the USENET etiquette say?

D. Ray <d@ray> writes:

[...]

> The Internet was founded to be free and democratic. It will require
> herculean efforts at this point to restore that vision, because something
> else is quickly replacing it.

Thanks for the post with all the info.  It does seem quite worrying.

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#26032

Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> wrote:
> I'm only reading comp.misc and not the other groups.  Should I
> set the follow-up-to comp.misc?  Or should I continue to post in groups
> I'm not even reading?  What does the USENET etiquette say?

Most people set the follow-up if they feel their reply would be off topic
in some groups.

With current low Usenet activity it probably doesn’t matter as much.

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#26039

On Thu, 07 Nov 24 03:48:36 UTC
D. Ray <d@ray> wrote:

[was chat about the early internet]

> Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> wrote:
> > I'm only reading comp.misc and not the other groups.  Should I
> > set the follow-up-to comp.misc?  Or should I continue to post in groups
> > I'm not even reading?  What does the USENET etiquette say?
> 
> Most people set the follow-up if they feel their reply would be off topic
> in some groups.
> 
> With current low Usenet activity it probably doesn’t matter as much.

There hasn't been an on-topic post in afc for quite a while.

-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#26045

"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:

> On Thu, 07 Nov 24 03:48:36 UTC
> D. Ray <d@ray> wrote:
>
> [was chat about the early internet]
>
>> Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> wrote:
>> > I'm only reading comp.misc and not the other groups.  Should I
>> > set the follow-up-to comp.misc?  Or should I continue to post in groups
>> > I'm not even reading?  What does the USENET etiquette say?
>> 
>> Most people set the follow-up if they feel their reply would be off topic
>> in some groups.
>> 
>> With current low Usenet activity it probably doesn’t matter as much.
>
> There hasn't been an on-topic post in afc for quite a while.

Yeah, and here we go posting there once again---that's why I asked.  I
guess it's okay given there's nothing going on there right now?

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#26047

On Thu, 07 Nov 2024 13:17:03 -0300
Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> wrote:

> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:
> 
> > On Thu, 07 Nov 24 03:48:36 UTC
> > D. Ray <d@ray> wrote:
> >
> > [was chat about the early internet]
> >
> >> Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> wrote:
> >> > I'm only reading comp.misc and not the other groups.  Should I
> >> > set the follow-up-to comp.misc?  Or should I continue to post in groups
> >> > I'm not even reading?  What does the USENET etiquette say?
> >> 
> >> Most people set the follow-up if they feel their reply would be off topic
> >> in some groups.
> >> 
> >> With current low Usenet activity it probably doesn’t matter as much.
> >
> > There hasn't been an on-topic post in afc for quite a while.
> 
> Yeah, and here we go posting there once again---that's why I asked.  I
> guess it's okay given there's nothing going on there right now?

I was hoping to provoke some oldtime chat; I missed out on the aerly
internet myself; I only heard of Alvey.


Taking this back On topic; Wikipedia don't like my unsecure browser, ffs
it's me being spied on!

-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#26044

D. Ray <d@ray> writes:

> Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> wrote:
>> I'm only reading comp.misc and not the other groups.  Should I
>> set the follow-up-to comp.misc?  Or should I continue to post in groups
>> I'm not even reading?  What does the USENET etiquette say?
>
> Most people set the follow-up if they feel their reply would be off topic
> in some groups.
>
> With current low Usenet activity it probably doesn’t matter as much.

Lol---obeying your f-up-to comp.misc.  But, yeah, I agree with you.

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#26049

On 11/6/2024 8:48 PM, D. Ray wrote:
> With current low Usenet activity it probably doesn’t matter as much.

Oh you will not rebrand nor scrub yourself, Rudence.


Do you finally get arrested for your death threats on Trump, Vance, and 
Musk, Rudey?

Is it time or we will see your sorry ass until January 2oth of '25?

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A 
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/D.Ray/Henry Bodkin and a dozen other forged socks 
of living and dead posters wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Path: 
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From: Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: 
talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.elections
Subject: Re: Triumphant Trump Photo After Assassination Attempt
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References: <1oKdnTc9CYmJlg77nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com> 
<XnsB1AED5FEA65AA629555@185.151.15.160> 
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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2024 10:38:43 -0400

Oh poor me I got shot at ...

Swill
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otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly.
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2024 10:37:51 -0400


Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
Newsgroups: 
alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
  Rape, Murder of 12-Year-Old
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 > No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to 
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
 > is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the 
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail 
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any 
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any 
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon 
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice 
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office 
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or 
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the 
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the 
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, 
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, 
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in 
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful 
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President, 
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections 
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in 
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The 
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of 
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the 
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3, 
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69 
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title 
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the 
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret 
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has 
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great 
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons 
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to 
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security 
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For 
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the 
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18 
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases, 
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count 
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case 
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday 
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President. 
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five 
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency 
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while 
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats 
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On 
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening 
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to 
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the 
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal 
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another 
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the 
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of 
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count 
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of 
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of 
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with 
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is 
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes 
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this 
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is 
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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#26119

D. Ray <d@ray> writes:

> Instances of censorship are growing to the point of normalization. Despite
> ongoing litigation and more public attention, mainstream social media has
> been more ferocious in recent months than ever before. Podcasters know for
> sure what will be instantly deleted and debate among themselves over
> content in gray areas. Some like Brownstone have given up on YouTube in
> favor of Rumble, sacrificing vast audiences if only to see their content
> survive to see the light of day. 
>
> It’s not always about being censored or not. Today’s algorithms include a
> range of tools that affect searchability and findability. For example, the
> Joe Rogan interview with Donald Trump racked up an astonishing 34 million
> views before YouTube and Google tweaked their search engines to make it
> hard to discover, while even presiding over a technical malfunction that
> disabled viewing for many people. Faced with this, Rogan went to the
> platform X to post all three hours. 
>
> Navigating this thicket of censorship and quasi-censorship has become part
> of the business model of alternative media. 
>
> Those are just the headline cases. Beneath the headlines, there are
> technical events taking place that are fundamentally affecting the ability
> of any historian even to look back and tell what is happening. Incredibly,
> the service Archive.org which has been around since 1994 has stopped taking
> images of content on all platforms. For the first time in 30 years, we have
> gone a long swath of time – since October 8-10 – since this service has
> chronicled the life of the Internet in real time. 
>
> As of this writing, we have no way to verify content that has been posted
> for three weeks of October leading to the days of the most contentious and
> consequential election of our lifetimes. Crucially, this is not about
> partisanship or ideological discrimination. No websites on the Internet are
> being archived in ways that are available to users. In effect, the whole
> memory of our main information system is just a big black hole right now. 
>
> The trouble on Archive.org began on October 8, 2024, when the service was
> suddenly hit with a massive Denial of Service attack (DDOS) that not only
> took down the service but introduced a level of failure that nearly took it
> out completely. Working around the clock, Archive.org came back as a
> read-only service where it stands today. However, you can only read content
> that was posted before the attack. The service has yet to resume any public
> display of mirroring of any sites on the Internet. 
>
> In other words, the only source on the entire World Wide Web that mirrors
> content in real time has been disabled. For the first time since the
> invention of the web browser itself, researchers have been robbed of the
> ability to compare past with future content, an action that is a staple of
> researchers looking into government and corporate actions. 
>
> It was using this service, for example, that enabled Brownstone researchers
> to discover precisely what the CDC had said about Plexiglas, filtration
> systems, mail-in ballots, and rental moratoriums. That content was all
> later scrubbed off the live Internet, so accessing archive copies was the
> only way we could know and verify what was true. It was the same with the
> World Health Organization and its disparagement of natural immunity which
> was later changed. We were able to document the shifting definitions thanks
> only to this tool which is now disabled. 
>
> What this means is the following: Any website can post anything today and
> take it down tomorrow and leave no record of what they posted unless some
> user somewhere happened to take a screenshot. Even then there is no way to
> verify its authenticity. The standard approach to know who said what and
> when is now gone. That is to say that the whole Internet is already being
> censored in real time so that during these crucial weeks, when vast swaths
> of the public fully expect foul play, anyone in the information industry
> can get away with anything and not get caught. 
>
> We know what you are thinking. Surely this DDOS attack was not a
> coincidence. The time was just too perfect. And maybe that is right. We
> just do not know. Does Archive.org suspect something along those lines?
> Here is what they say:
>
>> Last week, along with a DDOS attack and exposure of patron email
>> addresses and encrypted passwords, the Internet Archive’s website
>> javascript was defaced, leading us to bring the site down to access and
>> improve our security. The stored data of the Internet Archive is safe and
>> we are working on resuming services safely. This new reality requires
>> heightened attention to cyber security and we are responding. We
>> apologize for the impact of these library services being unavailable.
>
> Deep state? As with all these things, there is no way to know, but the
> effort to blast away the ability of the Internet to have a verified history
> fits neatly into the stakeholder model of information distribution that has
> clearly been prioritized on a global level. The Declaration of the Future
> of the Internet makes that very clear: the Internet should be “governed
> through the multi-stakeholder approach, whereby governments and relevant
> authorities partner with academics, civil society, the private sector,
> technical community and others.”  All of these stakeholders benefit from
> the ability to act online without leaving a trace.
>
> To be sure, a librarian at Archive.org has written that “While the Wayback
> Machine has been in read-only mode, web crawling and archiving have
> continued. Those materials will be available via the Wayback Machine as
> services are secured.”
>
> When? We do not know. Before the election? In five years? There might be
> some technical reasons but it might seem that if web crawling is continuing
> behind the scenes, as the note suggests, that too could be available in
> read-only mode now. It is not.
>
> Disturbingly, this erasure of Internet memory is happening in more than one
> place. For many years,  Google offered a cached version of the link you
> were seeking just below the live version. They have plenty of server space
> to enable that now, but no: that service is now completely gone. In fact,
> the Google cache service officially ended just a week or two before the
> Archive.org crash, at the end of September 2024.
>
> Thus the two available tools for searching cached pages on the Internet
> disappeared within weeks of each other and within weeks of the November 5th
> election.
>
> Other disturbing trends are also turning Internet search results
> increasingly into AI-controlled lists of establishment-approved narratives.
> The web standard used to be for search result rankings to be governed by
> user behavior, links, citations, and so forth. These were more or less
> organic metrics, based on an aggregation of data indicating how useful a
> search result was to Internet users. Put very simply, the more people found
> a search result useful, the higher it would rank. Google now uses very
> different metrics to rank search results, including what it considers
> “trusted sources” and other opaque, subjective determinations.
>
> Furthermore, the most widely used service that once ranked websites based
> on traffic is now gone. That service was called Alexa. The company that
> created it was independent. Then one day in 1999, it was bought by Amazon.
> That seemed encouraging because Amazon was well-heeled. The acquisition
> seemed to codify the tool that everyone was using as a kind of metric of
> status on the web. It was common back in the day to take note of an article
> somewhere on the web and then look it up on Alexa to see its reach. If it
> was important, one would take notice, but if it was not, no one
> particularly cared.
>
> This is how an entire generation of web technicians functioned. The system
> worked as well as one could possibly expect.
>
> Then, in 2014, years after acquiring the ranking service Alexa, Amazon did
> a strange thing. It released its home assistant (and surveillance device)
> with the same name. Suddenly, everyone had them in their homes and would
> find out anything by saying “Hey Alexa.” Something seemed strange about
> Amazon naming its new product after an unrelated business it had acquired
> years earlier. No doubt there was some confusion caused by the naming
> overlap.
>
> Here’s what happened next. In 2022, Amazon actively took down the web
> ranking tool. It didn’t sell it. It didn’t raise the prices. It didn’t do
> anything with it. It suddenly made it go completely dark. 
>
> No one could figure out why. It was the industry standard, and suddenly it
> was gone. Not sold, just blasted away. No longer could anyone figure out
> the traffic-based website rankings of anything without paying very high
> prices for hard-to-use proprietary products.
>
> All of these data points that might seem unrelated when considered
> individually, are actually part of a long trajectory that has shifted our
> information landscape into unrecognizable territory. The Covid events of
> 2020-2023, with massive global censorship and propaganda efforts, greatly
> accelerated these trends. 
>
> One wonders if anyone will remember what it was once like. The hacking and
> hobbling of Archive.org underscores the point: there will be no more
> memory. 
>
> As of this writing, fully three weeks of web content have not been
> archived. What we are missing and what has changed is anyone’s guess. And
> we have no idea when the service will come back. It is entirely possible
> that it will not come back, that the only real history to which we can take
> recourse will be pre-October 8, 2024, the date on which everything changed.
>
>
> The Internet was founded to be free and democratic. It will require
> herculean efforts at this point to restore that vision, because something
> else is quickly replacing it.
>
> <https://brownstone.org/articles/they-are-scrubbing-the-internet-right-now/>
>
> <https://archive.md/PlFOX>

Perhaps it would be good idea to start mirroring important content to
the Usenet and other platforms.

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#26121

On 11/17/24 1:34 AM, Schlomo Goldberg wrote:
> D. Ray <d@ray> writes:
> 
>> Instances of censorship are growing to the point of normalization. Despite
>> ongoing litigation and more public attention, mainstream social media has
>> been more ferocious in recent months than ever before. Podcasters know for
>> sure what will be instantly deleted and debate among themselves over
>> content in gray areas. Some like Brownstone have given up on YouTube in
>> favor of Rumble, sacrificing vast audiences if only to see their content
>> survive to see the light of day.
>>
>> It’s not always about being censored or not. Today’s algorithms include a
>> range of tools that affect searchability and findability. For example, the
>> Joe Rogan interview with Donald Trump racked up an astonishing 34 million
>> views before YouTube and Google tweaked their search engines to make it
>> hard to discover, while even presiding over a technical malfunction that
>> disabled viewing for many people. Faced with this, Rogan went to the
>> platform X to post all three hours.
>>
>> Navigating this thicket of censorship and quasi-censorship has become part
>> of the business model of alternative media.
>>
>> Those are just the headline cases. Beneath the headlines, there are
>> technical events taking place that are fundamentally affecting the ability
>> of any historian even to look back and tell what is happening. Incredibly,
>> the service Archive.org which has been around since 1994 has stopped taking
>> images of content on all platforms. For the first time in 30 years, we have
>> gone a long swath of time – since October 8-10 – since this service has
>> chronicled the life of the Internet in real time.
>>
>> As of this writing, we have no way to verify content that has been posted
>> for three weeks of October leading to the days of the most contentious and
>> consequential election of our lifetimes. Crucially, this is not about
>> partisanship or ideological discrimination. No websites on the Internet are
>> being archived in ways that are available to users. In effect, the whole
>> memory of our main information system is just a big black hole right now.
>>
>> The trouble on Archive.org began on October 8, 2024, when the service was
>> suddenly hit with a massive Denial of Service attack (DDOS) that not only
>> took down the service but introduced a level of failure that nearly took it
>> out completely. Working around the clock, Archive.org came back as a
>> read-only service where it stands today. However, you can only read content
>> that was posted before the attack. The service has yet to resume any public
>> display of mirroring of any sites on the Internet.
>>
>> In other words, the only source on the entire World Wide Web that mirrors
>> content in real time has been disabled. For the first time since the
>> invention of the web browser itself, researchers have been robbed of the
>> ability to compare past with future content, an action that is a staple of
>> researchers looking into government and corporate actions.
>>
>> It was using this service, for example, that enabled Brownstone researchers
>> to discover precisely what the CDC had said about Plexiglas, filtration
>> systems, mail-in ballots, and rental moratoriums. That content was all
>> later scrubbed off the live Internet, so accessing archive copies was the
>> only way we could know and verify what was true. It was the same with the
>> World Health Organization and its disparagement of natural immunity which
>> was later changed. We were able to document the shifting definitions thanks
>> only to this tool which is now disabled.
>>
>> What this means is the following: Any website can post anything today and
>> take it down tomorrow and leave no record of what they posted unless some
>> user somewhere happened to take a screenshot. Even then there is no way to
>> verify its authenticity. The standard approach to know who said what and
>> when is now gone. That is to say that the whole Internet is already being
>> censored in real time so that during these crucial weeks, when vast swaths
>> of the public fully expect foul play, anyone in the information industry
>> can get away with anything and not get caught.
>>
>> We know what you are thinking. Surely this DDOS attack was not a
>> coincidence. The time was just too perfect. And maybe that is right. We
>> just do not know. Does Archive.org suspect something along those lines?
>> Here is what they say:
>>
>>> Last week, along with a DDOS attack and exposure of patron email
>>> addresses and encrypted passwords, the Internet Archive’s website
>>> javascript was defaced, leading us to bring the site down to access and
>>> improve our security. The stored data of the Internet Archive is safe and
>>> we are working on resuming services safely. This new reality requires
>>> heightened attention to cyber security and we are responding. We
>>> apologize for the impact of these library services being unavailable.
>>
>> Deep state? As with all these things, there is no way to know, but the
>> effort to blast away the ability of the Internet to have a verified history
>> fits neatly into the stakeholder model of information distribution that has
>> clearly been prioritized on a global level. The Declaration of the Future
>> of the Internet makes that very clear: the Internet should be “governed
>> through the multi-stakeholder approach, whereby governments and relevant
>> authorities partner with academics, civil society, the private sector,
>> technical community and others.”  All of these stakeholders benefit from
>> the ability to act online without leaving a trace.
>>
>> To be sure, a librarian at Archive.org has written that “While the Wayback
>> Machine has been in read-only mode, web crawling and archiving have
>> continued. Those materials will be available via the Wayback Machine as
>> services are secured.”
>>
>> When? We do not know. Before the election? In five years? There might be
>> some technical reasons but it might seem that if web crawling is continuing
>> behind the scenes, as the note suggests, that too could be available in
>> read-only mode now. It is not.
>>
>> Disturbingly, this erasure of Internet memory is happening in more than one
>> place. For many years,  Google offered a cached version of the link you
>> were seeking just below the live version. They have plenty of server space
>> to enable that now, but no: that service is now completely gone. In fact,
>> the Google cache service officially ended just a week or two before the
>> Archive.org crash, at the end of September 2024.
>>
>> Thus the two available tools for searching cached pages on the Internet
>> disappeared within weeks of each other and within weeks of the November 5th
>> election.
>>
>> Other disturbing trends are also turning Internet search results
>> increasingly into AI-controlled lists of establishment-approved narratives.
>> The web standard used to be for search result rankings to be governed by
>> user behavior, links, citations, and so forth. These were more or less
>> organic metrics, based on an aggregation of data indicating how useful a
>> search result was to Internet users. Put very simply, the more people found
>> a search result useful, the higher it would rank. Google now uses very
>> different metrics to rank search results, including what it considers
>> “trusted sources” and other opaque, subjective determinations.
>>
>> Furthermore, the most widely used service that once ranked websites based
>> on traffic is now gone. That service was called Alexa. The company that
>> created it was independent. Then one day in 1999, it was bought by Amazon.
>> That seemed encouraging because Amazon was well-heeled. The acquisition
>> seemed to codify the tool that everyone was using as a kind of metric of
>> status on the web. It was common back in the day to take note of an article
>> somewhere on the web and then look it up on Alexa to see its reach. If it
>> was important, one would take notice, but if it was not, no one
>> particularly cared.
>>
>> This is how an entire generation of web technicians functioned. The system
>> worked as well as one could possibly expect.
>>
>> Then, in 2014, years after acquiring the ranking service Alexa, Amazon did
>> a strange thing. It released its home assistant (and surveillance device)
>> with the same name. Suddenly, everyone had them in their homes and would
>> find out anything by saying “Hey Alexa.” Something seemed strange about
>> Amazon naming its new product after an unrelated business it had acquired
>> years earlier. No doubt there was some confusion caused by the naming
>> overlap.
>>
>> Here’s what happened next. In 2022, Amazon actively took down the web
>> ranking tool. It didn’t sell it. It didn’t raise the prices. It didn’t do
>> anything with it. It suddenly made it go completely dark.
>>
>> No one could figure out why. It was the industry standard, and suddenly it
>> was gone. Not sold, just blasted away. No longer could anyone figure out
>> the traffic-based website rankings of anything without paying very high
>> prices for hard-to-use proprietary products.
>>
>> All of these data points that might seem unrelated when considered
>> individually, are actually part of a long trajectory that has shifted our
>> information landscape into unrecognizable territory. The Covid events of
>> 2020-2023, with massive global censorship and propaganda efforts, greatly
>> accelerated these trends.
>>
>> One wonders if anyone will remember what it was once like. The hacking and
>> hobbling of Archive.org underscores the point: there will be no more
>> memory.
>>
>> As of this writing, fully three weeks of web content have not been
>> archived. What we are missing and what has changed is anyone’s guess. And
>> we have no idea when the service will come back. It is entirely possible
>> that it will not come back, that the only real history to which we can take
>> recourse will be pre-October 8, 2024, the date on which everything changed.
>>
>>
>> The Internet was founded to be free and democratic. It will require
>> herculean efforts at this point to restore that vision, because something
>> else is quickly replacing it.
>>
>> <https://brownstone.org/articles/they-are-scrubbing-the-internet-right-now/>
>>
>> <https://archive.md/PlFOX>
> 
> Perhaps it would be good idea to start mirroring important content to
> the Usenet and other platforms.


   Replication IS useful in these dreadful times.

   There are vast numbers of hidey-holes online, and
   always hard media that can be passed around.

   Various entities really DO want to do the "Fahrenheit 451"
   trick. Know that and thwart them.

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#26122

Schlomo Goldberg <schlomo.goldberg@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps it would be good idea to start mirroring important content to
> the Usenet and other platforms.

What is important? Have you thought about how much space mirroring
would take, does take?

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#26125

On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, root wrote:

> Schlomo Goldberg <schlomo.goldberg@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps it would be good idea to start mirroring important content to
>> the Usenet and other platforms.
>
> What is important? Have you thought about how much space mirroring
> would take, does take?
>

I don't think usenet would be the best tool for the job. Assuming we're 
talking full-scale mirroring, the usenet server owners would probably 
block the group.

Storage is cheap! Call your local national library and build a new 
archive.org together with them instead, and learn something on the way! =)

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#26133

On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 10:27:48 +0100
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, root wrote:
> 
> > Schlomo Goldberg <schlomo.goldberg@mailinator.com> wrote:  
> >>
> >> Perhaps it would be good idea to start mirroring important content
> >> to the Usenet and other platforms.  
> >
> > What is important? Have you thought about how much space mirroring
> > would take, does take?
> >  
> 
> I don't think usenet would be the best tool for the job. Assuming
> we're talking full-scale mirroring, the usenet server owners would
> probably block the group.
> 
> Storage is cheap! Call your local national library and build a new 
> archive.org together with them instead, and learn something on the
> way! =)

I suspect the Internet Archive hack is a fake cover story ginned up by
the cabal. They are likely scrubbing all kinds of important history
they find threatening to their woke COVID agenda.

Donald Trump and Joe Biden work for the same people. If you supported
either one you are a mind slave.

Most of the public personalities in the tech community are informants
and storefront shopkeepers for the man. Anyone who is not part of their
cabal is not allowed to have any publicity.

If famous then that person is on the take. Anyone not supporting them
is either unknown, or vilified and made infamous for mind slaves.

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#26146

On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 11:53:47 -0600, Nobody wrote:

> They are likely scrubbing all kinds of important history they
> find threatening to their woke COVID agenda.

Because the pandemic never happened, did it, and a million people didn’t 
die in the USA -- they were just relocated to that H-bomb-proof tunnel 
complex under Central Park. And all those other countries that sounded the 
alarm and took action and got vaccinated and did all the other 
preventative things that the USA wouldn’t do, aren’t real countries, they 
are just full of crisis actors paid off by the Democrats. (Hi, Bernie!)

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#26136

In comp.misc, D  <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> Storage is cheap! Call your local national library and build a new 
> archive.org together with them instead, and learn something on the way! =)

Storage is cheap but everything that supports it is not. Including the
lawyers to litigate the copyright claims.

Elijah
------
archive.org has spent a lot on lawyers recently

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#26123 — Re: They [sic] Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now – No, That Is Bullshit

On 11/4/2024 12:53 AM, D. Ray wrote:
> Instances of censorship are growing to the point of normalization.

Bullshit. And your subject line is bullshit. There is no "they," and no one is 
"scrubbing" the internet. Fuck off, you subhuman Nazi piece of filth.

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#26127 — Re: They [sic] Are Scrubbing the Internet Right Now – No, That Is Bullshit

NoBody <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/4/2024 12:53 AM, D. Ray wrote:
>> Instances of censorship are growing to the point of normalization.
> 
> Bullshit. And your subject line is bullshit.

My subject line is a name of an article I posted, originally published by
Brownstone Institute.

<https://brownstone.org/about/>

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