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Re: Stoicism [was: An objective criteria for deprecating community platforms]

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2024, Anton Shepelev wrote:

> So you have read the big four -- Epictetus, Musonius Rufus,
> Marcus Aurelius (not a philosopher), and Seneca (not a
> philosopher)?  No, I do not believe fatalism/determinism is
> postulated by all stoics, especially the Roman ones, who
> concentrated on the practical, ethical aspect.  The main
> priciple, I am sure, is realising that man is in control of
> his own perceptions and decisions, and cannot (entirely)
> control externalities.  This view does not require
> determinism, does it?

I agree. Determinism tends to lead to passivity and at worst collapse
into some kind of solipsism, if you really believe in it. The fact that
people argue that you still should give your best, paradoxically weakens
their position, since the act of arguing that is itself and argument
against determinism.

I have no read anything about determinism in the above, but I have read
about indifference, but in my opinion, that indifference in the classics
is not equivalent to determinism.

Best regards, 
Daniel

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