Re: Laptop replacement

From	D <nospam@example.net>
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Subject	Re: Laptop replacement
Date	2025-03-27 21:57 +0100
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2025, John Rumm wrote:

> On 27/03/2025 09:49, D wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> On 27/03/2025 06:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 19:02:39 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Well I have had pretty good results for MY needs with HP laptops BUT
>>>>> anything to run Windows 11 seems very expensive. Like £400
>>>>> 
>>>>> Whereas a Windows ten capable refurbished is under £100
>>>> 
>>>> Would you entrust mission-critical business operations to obsolete,
>>>> unsupported software?
>>> 
>>> I'd trust it to Linux.
>>> Actually that's MS bullshit.
>>> The greatest security risk from a laptop is leaving it on a train.
>>> 
>>> If its 'mission critical' it doesn't go on a laptop. Period. Or you get 
>>> sacked
>>> This isn't Donald Trumps administration, this is real life
>> 
>> Also note that if you build around the constraints of crappy hardware with 
>> technologies such as backups, clusters, active/active clusters etc. they 
>> can live very well on crappy hardware.
>> 
>> Of course this is just theoretical, and you collect your requirements, and 
>> SLA:s towards your customers, and then make an informed decision.
>> 
>> Since I have backups of my laptop, and could go to the store and buy a new 
>> one in about 60 minutes, and do a restore of my company documents within 
>> another 60 minutes, I in theory, have no problems with running my company 
>> on "crappy" hardware.
>> 
>> Due to convenience, I tend to run it on maximum 3-4 year old laptops, and 
>> my SaaS product runs on refurbished servers in the cloud.
>
> You seem to be assuming that the only bad thing that might happen is the 
> laptop loses your data, which as you identify a good backup regime will 
> mitigate. However the bigger prise for many bad actors is persistent access 
> to your device and data - something that becomes "easier" on unsupported 
> platforms, and also something, if done well, you may not even notice.

That would be a software problem. I can run modern software on crappy 
hardware. Yet another benefit. And no, I'm not in the cloak and dagger 
business, so the threats I face are very, very mild.

I do have acquaintances in the cloak and dagger business though, and they 
are all about avoiding as much as possible, tracking supply chains, buying 
hw without mics and video etc.

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