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Re: What would a new Eudora look like?

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On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 5:20:22 AM UTC-7, David Morrison wrote:
> Many of Eudora's features that make it attractive to me do not align with current practices. For example, modern apps tend to use a single window for everything, and split it into panes. This is a problem if you want to look at things side-by-side.
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> I love the fact that Eudora uses windows and that I can have multiple windows open at the same time. I love that when messages are filtered into a mailbox, the mailbox window opens automatically so I can see that there are new messages there. I can leave it open as a reminder until I have time to read the messages, eg, a mailing list. If there are some I don't want to read, I can just close the window.
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> I *do not* like Apple Mail and Thunderbird's technique of having a huge list of mailboxes down the side with numbers of unread messages. Firstly, I have to scroll down through the mailbox list to see what is there.  Secondly, I have to mark every single message as read to allow it to show when new messages have been moved into the folder.
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> So a big question about a future Eudora is whether it will look like a 1980s app, or a modern, barely-functional one? :-)
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> David

Agree strongly, except that modern apps do in fact use multiple windows, including word, excel, Terminal, Finder, all modern browsers, etc.  I imagine that a new Eudora might take advantage of tabs in some useful way, like most of these apps do, with keyboard shortcuts to flip between windows or tab-panes.

For people that don't use filters, (I use them extensively), they basically get a one window interface.  The way I've always used eudora (on the mac), is to use the filter report for a quick summary of new mail, and that becomes an index of mailboxes I can visit or not.  I keep another window open with all my mailboxes.  I quickly move thru the open windows reviewing and closing them using the CMD-W keyboard shortcut.

I never liked the single window interface.  I want to use the screen space to actually read the mail or work within a single mailbox with minimal distractions.

BTW, been using Eudora in a fusion (vmware) VM for many years; the only trick is to get a copy of MacOS server 10.6.8, which is probably pretty hard to come by now.  It works fine and has very little impact.. I even set my wife up the same way and she has not complained at all.  you can copy/paste anything so it is just another application.  Plus you can use VM snapshots for backups and/or copy the entire VM around.  I'm running with the latest version of Fusion; no upgrade issues so far.

Eudora has some distinct advantages for tracing spam address, using the "Blah Blah Blah" button.  Also, you can usually get a decent browser rendering even in the old version of Safari.  I'm surprised how well Eudora can render modern email - given how old it is.  The standards have not changed that much.

Would love to see a desktop email as good as Eudora, but it is a daunting development effort.. remember that Eudora was a pretty big engineering team in its heyday.  I admire some of the folks that have tried, but it needs to be a more substantial effort.  It seems odd to me that Apple has not made a better effort, but to be honest, I think that email is more or less dying out among the younger generations.  I usually get grunts or one-line replies these days. :)

cheers.
/r

P.S. proud Eudora user since 1993; before that, used ucb "mail" command on unix.

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