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  Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Ignoramus16992 <ignoramus16992@NOSPAM.16992.invalid> - 2013-05-05 12:11 -0500
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Stephan Vladimir Bugaj <sbugaj@pixar.com> - 2013-05-05 10:32 -0700
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Stephan Vladimir Bugaj <sbugaj@pixar.com> - 2013-05-05 10:33 -0700
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 18:34 +0100
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 03:35 +1000
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 10:35 -0700
      Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-05 19:24 +0100
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 18:52 +0100
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-05-05 13:58 -0400
      Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-05-05 19:13 +0000
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Petite Abeille <petite.abeille@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 23:05 +0200
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-05-05 17:07 -0400
          Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-05-05 17:37 -0400
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-05-05 17:49 -0400
          Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers William Ray Wing <wrw@mac.com> - 2013-05-07 17:02 -0400
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-05-05 19:10 +0000
      Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2013-05-05 20:37 +0000
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Rainer Weikusat <rweikusat@mssgmbh.com> - 2013-05-05 22:09 +0100
          Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2013-05-05 21:33 +0000
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-05-05 17:35 -0400
              Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2013-05-05 21:43 +0000
          Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 08:24 +1000
      Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2013-05-05 14:34 -0700
      Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers llanitedave <llanitedave@veawb.coop> - 2013-05-05 23:13 -0700
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 07:28 +0100
          Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-05-06 07:41 -0400
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 17:30 +1000
          Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-05-06 12:03 +0000
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 17:04 +0100
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 08:49 +0100
          Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers jmfauth <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 06:22 -0700
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 23:32 +1000
              Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2013-05-07 13:41 -0700
              Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2013-05-07 21:14 +0000
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 14:35 +0100
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 15:17 +0100
              Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-05-08 03:06 +0000
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-05-07 14:40 -0400
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Neil Hodgson <nhodgson@iinet.net.au> - 2013-05-08 10:34 +1000
              Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Benjamin Kaplan <benjamin.kaplan@case.edu> - 2013-05-07 18:11 -0700
                Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 03:43 -0700
              Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-08 02:22 +0100
              Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-05-07 21:23 -0400
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Karim <kliateni@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 09:55 +0200
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 08:58 +0100
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 18:02 +1000
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 10:00 +0100
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-05 14:17 -0700
      Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Ignoramus16992 <ignoramus16992@NOSPAM.16992.invalid> - 2013-05-05 18:05 -0500
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Henry Law <news@lawshouse.org> - 2013-05-06 07:07 +0100
      Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Ignoramus30465 <ignoramus30465@NOSPAM.30465.invalid> - 2013-05-06 20:53 -0500

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#44756 — Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers

According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year. 

http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide10
http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide11

I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy. 

Thank you!

i

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#44757

Most likely more legacy Perl code in mission critical systems

S

Sent from my pocket UNIVAC.

On May 5, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Ignoramus16992 <ignoramus16992@NOSPAM.16992.invalid> wrote:

> According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
> while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year. 
> 
> http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide10
> http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide11
> 
> I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy. 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> i
> -- 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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#44759

And seniority combined with annual cost of living raises, due to Perl being in use longer

S

Sent from my pocket UNIVAC.

On May 5, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Ignoramus16992 <ignoramus16992@NOSPAM.16992.invalid> wrote:

> According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
> while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year. 
> 
> http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide10
> http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide11
> 
> I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy. 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> i
> -- 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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#44760

I wouldn't touch perl code with a ten foot pole.

On the other hand, python is pleasing to the eye and easy to write,
read and modify.

This means that you can easily be replaced with someone else who also
knows python, so your company doesn't care much about paying you well
and keeping you there.

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Ignoramus16992
<ignoramus16992@nospam.16992.invalid> wrote:
> According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
> while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year.
>
> http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide10
> http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide11
>
> I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy.
>
> Thank you!
>
> i
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list



-- 
Fábio Santos

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#44761

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Ignoramus16992
<ignoramus16992@nospam.16992.invalid> wrote:
> According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
> while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year.
>
> http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide10
> http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide11
>
> I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy.
>
> Thank you!

Once, I was young and foolish too, and an ignoramus, just like you. [1]

There's a big problem with comparing statistical averages without any
indication of their spread. Suppose these are the salaries involved:

Perl = [15000, 30000, 80000, 100000, 143000, 190000]
Python = [15000, 30000, 80000, 100000, 190000]

That is, the guy who's making 143K a year didn't mention that he's
using Python. Voila! Your averages differ, yet statistically, there's
not a lot of difference. The best way to know how useful the averages
are is to look at the distribution, eg look at the difference between
the highest and lowest values, or the standard deviation of the
sample, or something of that sort. Without that, there's no way of
knowing whether a 10K difference is at all significant. I would posit
that, among salaries, it's meaningless.

ChrisA

[1] I don't know if you're trolling or not, so I'll give a serious
response. But I'm going to start with a quote from Emerald Isle.
http://diamond.boisestate.edu/gas/sullivan/emerald_isle/web_opera/ei14.html

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#44762

On May 5, 10:11 pm, Ignoramus16992 <ignoramus16...@NOSPAM.
16992.invalid> wrote:
> According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
> while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year.
>
> http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide10http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide11
>
> I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy.
>
> Thank you!
>
> i

I expect Cobol programmers earn more than either
Its called supply and demand

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#44768

On 05/05/2013 18:35, rusi wrote:
> On May 5, 10:11 pm, Ignoramus16992 <ignoramus16...@NOSPAM.
> 16992.invalid> wrote:
>> According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
>> while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year.
>>
>> http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide10http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide11
>>
>> I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> i
>
> I expect Cobol programmers earn more than either
> Its called supply and demand
>

They might get paid more, whether or not they earn it is an entirely 
different question.

-- 
If you're using GoogleCrap™ please read this 
http://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython.

Mark Lawrence

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#44763

> Most likely more legacy Perl code in mission critical systems

Which is unfair because when Python is ever surpassed by an even
better language/technology then we get paid more to work Python and
not move the industry forward by moving to the new technology and
hacking on it.

--
Fábio Santos

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#44765

In article <zrOdnZU2U6syDxvMnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Ignoramus16992 <ignoramus16992@NOSPAM.16992.invalid> wrote:

> According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
> while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year. 

It's amazing the depths to which people are willing to sink for an extra 
$10k per year.

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#44771

On Sun, 05 May 2013 13:58:51 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:

> In article <zrOdnZU2U6syDxvMnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Ignoramus16992 <ignoramus16992@NOSPAM.16992.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
>> while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year.
> 
> It's amazing the depths to which people are willing to sink for an extra
> $10k per year.

Right now, I'd consider learning PHP for an extra $100 a month. Or 
peddling my arse down at the docks for twenty cents a time, which will be 
less embarrassing and much less painful.


-- 
Steven

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#44773

On May 5, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:

> On Sun, 05 May 2013 13:58:51 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:
> 
>> In article <zrOdnZU2U6syDxvMnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> Ignoramus16992 <ignoramus16992@NOSPAM.16992.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
>>> while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year.
>> 
>> It's amazing the depths to which people are willing to sink for an extra
>> $10k per year.
> 
> Right now, I'd consider learning PHP for an extra $100 a month. Or 
> peddling my arse down at the docks for twenty cents a time, which will be 
> less embarrassing and much less painful.

I, for one, I'm glad to let the Pythonistas take the high road, while other, more, err, pragmatic types, take the dough. ching ching.

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#44774

In article <5186af75$0$29997$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>,
 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
 
> Right now, I'd consider learning PHP for an extra $100 a month. Or 
> peddling my arse down at the docks for twenty cents a time, which will be 
> less embarrassing and much less painful.

Having spent the better part of a year doing one of those activities, 
I'm inclined to agree.

There *are* programming languages worse than PHP.  Have you ever tried 
britescript?

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#44781

On Sun, 05 May 2013 17:07:41 -0400, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> declaimed
the following in gmane.comp.python.general:

> In article <5186af75$0$29997$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>,
>  Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
>  
> > Right now, I'd consider learning PHP for an extra $100 a month. Or 
> > peddling my arse down at the docks for twenty cents a time, which will be 
> > less embarrassing and much less painful.
> 
> Having spent the better part of a year doing one of those activities, 
> I'm inclined to agree.
> 
> There *are* programming languages worse than PHP.  Have you ever tried 
> britescript?

	Is that a toothpaste, kitchen cleaner, or device for doing gold-leaf
illuminated manuscripts? <G>

-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
        wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#44783

In article <mailman.1310.1367789840.3114.python-list@python.org>,
 Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 05 May 2013 17:07:41 -0400, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> declaimed
> the following in gmane.comp.python.general:
> 
> > In article <5186af75$0$29997$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>,
> >  Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> >  
> > > Right now, I'd consider learning PHP for an extra $100 a month. Or 
> > > peddling my arse down at the docks for twenty cents a time, which will be 
> > > less embarrassing and much less painful.
> > 
> > Having spent the better part of a year doing one of those activities, 
> > I'm inclined to agree.
> > 
> > There *are* programming languages worse than PHP.  Have you ever tried 
> > britescript?
> 
> 	Is that a toothpaste, kitchen cleaner, or device for doing gold-leaf
> illuminated manuscripts? <G>

It is a programming language.  It is what Roku apps are written in.

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#44908

On May 7, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Martijn Lievaart <m@rtij.nl.invlalid> wrote:

> On Sun, 05 May 2013 17:07:41 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:
> 
>> There *are* programming languages worse than PHP.  Have you ever tried
>> britescript?
> 
> Have you tried MUMPS? :-)
> 
> M4
> 

Which one?  The original MUMPS (Massachusetts General Hospital Utility Multi-Programming System), or the one that came out of Europe in the '90s and stole the MUMPS name (MUltifrontal Massively Parallel sparse direct Solver)?

I used both the original and its baby brother FOCAL which, considering that they ran on DEC PDP-7 (MUMPS) and DEC PDP-8 (FOCAL) systems with as little as 4k words of 18-bit memory on the PDP-7 and 8-bit memory on the PDP-8 is pretty spectacular.  They should be forgiven for a somewhat constrained list of key words and operations. 

-Bill

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#44770

On Sun, 05 May 2013 12:11:11 -0500, Ignoramus16992 wrote:

> According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
> while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year.
> 
> http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide10
> http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide11
> 
> I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy.

Perl is much harder to use, so the average Perl programmer burns out 
after a few years and takes up a less stressful career, like going 
undercover in the Russian mob or the Taliban. So only the most dedicated, 
brilliant and extreme programmers last long enough to become a Perl 
expert, and consequently can demand higher pay, while any idiot can learn 
to program Python, as I have.

Also, Perl programmers are an unprincipled, devious bunch, always looking 
for an opportunity to blackmail their employers into paying them extra. 
Python programmers are a decent, law-abiding people with a strong moral 
code who would never stoop to the sort of things that Perl coders are 
proud of doing.



-- 
Steven

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#44772

In comp.lang.python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Sun, 05 May 2013 12:11:11 -0500, Ignoramus16992 wrote:

> > According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
> > while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year.
> > 
> > http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide10
> > http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide11
> > 
> > I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy.

> Perl is much harder to use, so the average Perl programmer burns out 
> after a few years and takes up a less stressful career, like going 
> undercover in the Russian mob or the Taliban. So only the most dedicated, 
> brilliant and extreme programmers last long enough to become a Perl 
> expert, and consequently can demand higher pay, while any idiot can learn 
> to program Python, as I have.

> Also, Perl programmers are an unprincipled, devious bunch, always looking 
> for an opportunity to blackmail their employers into paying them extra. 
> Python programmers are a decent, law-abiding people with a strong moral 
> code who would never stoop to the sort of things that Perl coders are 
> proud of doing.

Now you got me badly worried, using both Perl and Python (and
other, unspeakable languages, but not VB I promise!) Will I
end up as a Python hacker for the mob or worse - or is there
a chance of redemption (perhaps after a few years in Guanta-
namo bay)? And should I, while it lasts, get the Perl or the
Python salary, or the mean or both combined? Got to consider
that when applying for my next job!

                             Regards, Jens
-- 
  \   Jens Thoms Toerring  ___      jt@toerring.de
   \__________________________      http://toerring.de

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#44775

jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) writes:
> In comp.lang.python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 May 2013 12:11:11 -0500, Ignoramus16992 wrote:
>
>> > According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
>> > while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year.
>> > 
>> > http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide10
>> > http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide11
>> > 
>> > I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy.
>
>> Perl is much harder to use, so the average Perl programmer burns out 
>> after a few years and takes up a less stressful career, like going 
>> undercover in the Russian mob or the Taliban. So only the most dedicated, 
>> brilliant and extreme programmers last long enough to become a Perl 
>> expert, and consequently can demand higher pay, while any idiot can learn 
>> to program Python, as I have.
>
>> Also, Perl programmers are an unprincipled, devious bunch, always looking 
>> for an opportunity to blackmail their employers into paying them extra. 
>> Python programmers are a decent, law-abiding people with a strong moral 
>> code who would never stoop to the sort of things that Perl coders are 
>> proud of doing.
>
> Now you got me badly worried, using both Perl and Python (and
> other, unspeakable languages, but not VB I promise!) Will I
> end up as a Python hacker for the mob or worse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Case_of_Dr_Jekyll_and_Mr_Hyde

[SCNR]

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#44778

In comp.lang.python Rainer Weikusat <rweikusat@mssgmbh.com> wrote:
> jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) writes:
> > In comp.lang.python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 05 May 2013 12:11:11 -0500, Ignoramus16992 wrote:
> >
> >> > According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
> >> > while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year.
> >> > 
> >> > http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide10
> >> > http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide11
> >> > 
> >> > I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy.
> >
> >> Perl is much harder to use, so the average Perl programmer burns out 
> >> after a few years and takes up a less stressful career, like going 
> >> undercover in the Russian mob or the Taliban. So only the most dedicated, 
> >> brilliant and extreme programmers last long enough to become a Perl 
> >> expert, and consequently can demand higher pay, while any idiot can learn 
> >> to program Python, as I have.
> >
> >> Also, Perl programmers are an unprincipled, devious bunch, always looking 
> >> for an opportunity to blackmail their employers into paying them extra. 
> >> Python programmers are a decent, law-abiding people with a strong moral 
> >> code who would never stoop to the sort of things that Perl coders are 
> >> proud of doing.
> >
> > Now you got me badly worried, using both Perl and Python (and
> > other, unspeakable languages, but not VB I promise!) Will I
> > end up as a Python hacker for the mob or worse

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Case_of_Dr_Jekyll_and_Mr_Hyde

> [SCNR]

Well, that didn't have a happy ending:-( Should have listened to
my parents when they told me again and again "Never use Perl, just
say no!". Seems I'm doomed - what's the proper way to apply for a
job with the mob?

-- 
  \   Jens Thoms Toerring  ___      jt@toerring.de
   \__________________________      http://toerring.de

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#44780

In article <auo1hgFmripU2@mid.uni-berlin.de>,
 jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) wrote:

> Well, that didn't have a happy ending:-( Should have listened to
> my parents when they told me again and again "Never use Perl, just
> say no!". Seems I'm doomed - what's the proper way to apply for a
> job with the mob?

I don't think you apply.  If they want you, they'll find you.

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