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  idle feature request Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-02-11 05:11 -0800
    Re: idle feature request Fabien <fabien.maussion@gmail.com> - 2015-02-11 14:20 +0100
      Re: idle feature request Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-02-11 05:29 -0800
        Re: idle feature request Fabien <fabien.maussion@gmail.com> - 2015-02-11 14:48 +0100
    Re: idle feature request Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-02-11 18:00 +0000
    Re: idle feature request Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-02-11 21:27 -0500
      Re: idle feature request Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-02-11 18:48 -0800
        Re: idle feature request Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-02-12 04:48 +0000
        Re: idle feature request Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-02-12 02:17 -0500
    Re: idle feature request Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-12 14:05 +1100

#85525 — idle feature request

Context: 
I am using idle for taking python classes.

Finish the class and run out usually in a hurry and forget to save the
idle interaction window. Would like to save it so that I can mail it to the students. 

In emacs I could set a hook to make arbitrary 'buffers' like the python-idle
shell become 'saving-buffers' like typical file buffers.
ie in emacs like most other editors, a modified file is ask-to-save
The same can be setup for other (non-file) buffers like a python interaction shell

Can I do the same for idle.

[Note it would be great to have this feature in idle but I am only looking for
a hand in where in the idle sources I an fudge a patch for my own use
]

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#85526

On 11.02.2015 14:11, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Context:
> I am using idle for taking python classes.

I know this is not your question, but: have you considered using iPython 
notebooks for teaching? They save automatically, look nice, and can be 
sent as code, html, rst, ...

Fabien

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#85528

On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+5:30, Fabien wrote:
> On 11.02.2015 14:11, Rustom Mody wrote:
> > Context:
> > I am using idle for taking python classes.
> 
> I know this is not your question, but: have you considered using iPython 
> notebooks for teaching? They save automatically, look nice, and can be 
> sent as code, html, rst, ...
> 
> Fabien

Yeah I have considered (and thanks for reminding).
However we are at that peculiar point where
- de jure college provides computers
- de facto everyone has a laptop

Exploiting the second is a big advantage but its also chaos.
Some windows; some linux; some macs etc
So getting up and running with minimal headache is an important priority.

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#85529

On 11.02.2015 14:29, Rustom Mody wrote:
> So getting up and running with minimal headache is an important priority.

Yes true. I consider Notebooks as a way to do "frontal" teaching, not 
necessarily usefull if students have to redo what you are doing on 
screen. For that, notebooks are rather prone to confusion because the 
order with wich you run the cells is important, so total beginners are 
really confused about variables overwritting etc.

Fabien

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#85544

On 11/02/2015 13:11, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Context:
> I am using idle for taking python classes.
>
> Finish the class and run out usually in a hurry and forget to save the
> idle interaction window. Would like to save it so that I can mail it to the students.
>
> In emacs I could set a hook to make arbitrary 'buffers' like the python-idle
> shell become 'saving-buffers' like typical file buffers.
> ie in emacs like most other editors, a modified file is ask-to-save
> The same can be setup for other (non-file) buffers like a python interaction shell
>
> Can I do the same for idle.
>
> [Note it would be great to have this feature in idle but I am only looking for
> a hand in where in the idle sources I an fudge a patch for my own use
> ]
>

If there isn't an enhancement request on the bug tracker for this please 
raise one, that way this doesn't get lost.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#85560

On 2/11/2015 1:00 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 11/02/2015 13:11, Rustom Mody wrote:
>> Context:
>> I am using idle for taking python classes.

Teaching or taking?

>> Finish the class and run out usually in a hurry and forget to save the
>> idle interaction window.

Do you mean the shell window?

>> Would like to save it so that I can mail it to the students.

Then save it.  What am I not understainding? Your problem scenario is 
not clear to me.  See below for a possible description that I do understand.

>> In emacs I could set a hook to make arbitrary 'buffers' like the
>> python-idle
>> shell become 'saving-buffers' like typical file buffers.
>> ie in emacs like most other editors, a modified file is ask-to-save

That is true in Idle as well.

>> The same can be setup for other (non-file) buffers like a python
>> interaction shell

I have never used emacs so I do not understand your reference thereto. 
In Windows, the interactive console history cannot be saved except by 
awkwardly selecting and cutting.  Idle does allow the shell contents to 
be saved.

>> Can I do the same for idle.

"Same what?" is the question.

> If there isn't an enhancement request on the bug tracker for this please
> raise one, that way this doesn't get lost.

Let us clarify the request here first.

If one saves the shell with 'save as', the filename is added to the 
title bar.  If one does something more, the name in bracketed with *s to 
indicate the the memory buffer has been changed since it was last saved. 
  This is the same as regular edit windows.

However, when one quits, then, unlike a regular edit window, there is no 
ask-to-save warning.  Is this what you want?  This would seem reasonable 
and likely easy.  (I would, however, not want the prompt when the buffer 
has not been saved -- or this could be a configuration option.)

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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#85562

On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 7:57:48 AM UTC+5:30, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 2/11/2015 1:00 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> > On 11/02/2015 13:11, Rustom Mody wrote:
> >> Context:
> >> I am using idle for taking python classes.
> 
> Teaching or taking?

Teaching -- I would like to mail¹ students the interaction so they can pay
more attention and less bother about taking notes.

> 
> >> Finish the class and run out usually in a hurry and forget to save the
> >> idle interaction window.
> 
> Do you mean the shell window?

Yeah

> 
> >> Would like to save it so that I can mail it to the students.
> 
> Then save it.  What am I not understainding? Your problem scenario is 
> not clear to me.  See below for a possible description that I do understand.
> 
> >> In emacs I could set a hook to make arbitrary 'buffers' like the
> >> python-idle
> >> shell become 'saving-buffers' like typical file buffers.
> >> ie in emacs like most other editors, a modified file is ask-to-save
> 
> That is true in Idle as well.
> 
> >> The same can be setup for other (non-file) buffers like a python
> >> interaction shell
> 
> I have never used emacs so I do not understand your reference thereto. 
> In Windows, the interactive console history cannot be saved except by 
> awkwardly selecting and cutting.  Idle does allow the shell contents to 
> be saved.
> 

> >> Can I do the same for idle.
> 
> "Same what?" is the question.
> 
> > If there isn't an enhancement request on the bug tracker for this please
> > raise one, that way this doesn't get lost.
> 
> Let us clarify the request here first.
> 
> If one saves the shell with 'save as', the filename is added to the 
> title bar.  If one does something more, the name in bracketed with *s to 
> indicate the the memory buffer has been changed since it was last saved. 
>   This is the same as regular edit windows.
> 
> However, when one quits, then, unlike a regular edit window, there is no 
> ask-to-save warning.  Is this what you want?  This would seem reasonable 
> and likely easy.  (I would, however, not want the prompt when the buffer 
> has not been saved -- or this could be a configuration option.)

Yeah thats what I want.
In a file-window there is 'ask-to-save' as soon as a single character is typed.
I want similar for shell window.
As I said if there is a config option for that, thats best.
But if I have to put in a few lines in my own idle that's fine too².

[BTW I have some other feature requests too. Is this the best forum to talk of them? And thanks for your work on idle :-) ]


¹ I just discovered that mail is passe and they would prefer whatsapp!
Well whatever :-)
² I have a class tomorrow! (but I'll try to remember)!!

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#85566

On 12/02/2015 02:48, Rustom Mody wrote:
>
> [BTW I have some other feature requests too. Is this the best forum to talk of them? And thanks for your work on idle :-) ]
>

Here is as good a place as any although there is an IDLE development 
mailing list at https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev or 
gmane.comp.python.idle

Have you checked on the bug tracker to see what has already been 
requested?  Also have you seen IDLEX http://idlex.sourceforge.net/ ? 
You might be able to beg, steal or borrow something from it and it's 
available from pypi.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#85569

On 2/11/2015 9:48 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 7:57:48 AM UTC+5:30, Terry Reedy wrote:

>> If one saves the shell with 'save as', the filename is added to the
>> title bar.  If one does something more, the name in bracketed with *s to
>> indicate the the memory buffer has been changed since it was last saved.
>>    This is the same as regular edit windows.
>>
>> However, when one quits, then, unlike a regular edit window, there is no
>> ask-to-save warning.  Is this what you want?  This would seem reasonable
>> and likely easy.

The Shell window is a subclass of the (base) Editor window.  So 
enhancement 1, invoke ask-to-save after save-as should be easy.  Find 
the current code (grep the message) and determine why it does not work 
for the shell.  Saving the shell is, I believe, rare, and I believe 
there is half a chance that a person who has saved the shell once will 
want to do so again.

>> (I would, however, not want the prompt when the buffer
>> has not been saved -- or this could be a configuration option.)

Enhancement 2 would be adding a configuration option to invoke 
ask-to-save even without save-as.  I am sure that this would be harder.

> Yeah thats what I want.
> In a file-window there is 'ask-to-save' as soon as a single character is typed.
> I want similar for shell window.
> As I said if there is a config option for that, thats best.
> But if I have to put in a few lines in my own idle that's fine too².

> [BTW I have some other feature requests too. Is this the best forum to talk of them? And thanks for your work on idle :-) ]

Idle-sig is pretty dead, so go ahead here.  You do not have to search 
the tracker if you do not want to.  I have a categorized list of all 
Idle issues on the tracker (with issue numbers) and will look up ideas
against that list anyway.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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#85564

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> wrote:
> However, when one quits, then, unlike a regular edit window, there is no
> ask-to-save warning.  Is this what you want?  This would seem reasonable and
> likely easy.  (I would, however, not want the prompt when the buffer has not
> been saved -- or this could be a configuration option.)

That's my understanding of the request, too. It seems reasonable to
have a way to be prompted about saving.

ChrisA

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