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Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing?

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  Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-09 01:38 +1000
    Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-04-08 16:44 +0000
      Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 13:16 -0400
      Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-09 03:18 +1000
        Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? pecore@pascolo.net - 2014-04-08 19:45 +0200
          Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-09 03:58 +1000
      Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? James Brewer <james@brwr.org> - 2014-04-08 12:45 -0700
      Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-04-09 00:29 -0400

#69874 — Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing?

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> wrote:
> Ditto, but make it 65 years in electronics for me.
>
>> -People make you feel like an idiot when you ask a question and they
>> intimidate you so you don't come back and ask more.
>
> That generally only happens a couple times, I am good at making them eat
> their words.

So you play the curmudgeon. That's a perfectly viable role... for
someone who's been doing stuff for 65 years. For someone straight out
of school, not so much. Even for someone with a few years' experience,
trying to bite back like that is very risky.

>> -People are super patient and helpful and they answer all your
>> questions and go beyond the call of duty to help you.
>
> A utopia very few will ever find.

In corporate, yes, it's rare. But it's a lot less rare in open source
projects. I could go into my theories as to why, but it'd make for a
long post.

ChrisA

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#69883

On Wed, 09 Apr 2014 01:38:42 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:

>>> -People are super patient and helpful and they answer all your
>>> questions and go beyond the call of duty to help you.
>>
>> A utopia very few will ever find.
> 
> In corporate, yes, it's rare. But it's a lot less rare in open source
> projects. I could go into my theories as to why, but it'd make for a
> long post.

http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/java-shop-politics/





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Check meetup.com. I live in nyc where there are django, python groups.
Maybe where you live too
On Apr 8, 2014 12:45 PM, "Steven D'Aprano" <
steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Apr 2014 01:38:42 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
> >>> -People are super patient and helpful and they answer all your
> >>> questions and go beyond the call of duty to help you.
> >>
> >> A utopia very few will ever find.
> >
> > In corporate, yes, it's rare. But it's a lot less rare in open source
> > projects. I could go into my theories as to why, but it'd make for a
> > long post.
>
> http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/java-shop-politics/
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Steven D'Aprano
> http://import-that.dreamwidth.org/
> --
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#69888

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:44 AM, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Apr 2014 01:38:42 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>>>> -People are super patient and helpful and they answer all your
>>>> questions and go beyond the call of duty to help you.
>>>
>>> A utopia very few will ever find.
>>
>> In corporate, yes, it's rare. But it's a lot less rare in open source
>> projects. I could go into my theories as to why, but it'd make for a
>> long post.
>
> http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/java-shop-politics/

Yeah, that goes into several of the reasons I would have been saying.

It also has some great quotes.
"""
C++ exists because someone had a fever dream in which these two
classes of vehicles got mixed up and thought, “I’m going to put wings
on a [bleep] tank”.
"""

ChrisA

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#69893

> """ “I’m going to put wings on a [bleep] tank”.

class FairchildA10(...

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#69894

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:45 AM,  <pecore@pascolo.net> wrote:
>> """ “I’m going to put wings on a [bleep] tank”.
>
> class FairchildA10(...

Ah yes, the Warthog. You might call one ugly, but it'll just call you dead...

ChrisA

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I'm in the Bay Area and I did actually go to a Django meetup yesterday in
SF where there were talks revolving around large-scale Django applications.
It was very informative. :)


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com>wrote:

> Check meetup.com. I live in nyc where there are django, python groups.
> Maybe where you live too
> On Apr 8, 2014 12:45 PM, "Steven D'Aprano" <
> steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Apr 2014 01:38:42 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> >>> -People are super patient and helpful and they answer all your
>> >>> questions and go beyond the call of duty to help you.
>> >>
>> >> A utopia very few will ever find.
>> >
>> > In corporate, yes, it's rare. But it's a lot less rare in open source
>> > projects. I could go into my theories as to why, but it'd make for a
>> > long post.
>>
>> http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/java-shop-politics/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Steven D'Aprano
>> http://import-that.dreamwidth.org/
>> --
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>>
>
> --
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
>


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#69925

On 4/8/2014 12:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

> http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/java-shop-politics/

Thank you for posting this. I read several more. I especially found this 
interesting:

http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/xwp-vs-jap/

in which he concludes that one route to becoming a good programmer is to 
not be a programmer. It seems that being a 'statistician who programs' 
was a better gig, comparitively speaking, than I realized at the time.

Another way to work on high level projects is to volunteer on an open 
source project.

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