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| Started by | Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2014-03-08 18:08 -0800 |
| Last post | 2014-03-09 05:46 +0000 |
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How is unicode implemented behind the scenes? Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2014-03-08 18:08 -0800
Re: How is unicode implemented behind the scenes? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-03-09 02:50 +0000
Re: How is unicode implemented behind the scenes? Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-03-08 22:01 -0500
Re: How is unicode implemented behind the scenes? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-03-09 14:19 +1100
Re: How is unicode implemented behind the scenes? Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-03-08 19:12 -0800
Re: How is unicode implemented behind the scenes? Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2014-03-09 05:46 +0000
| From | Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-08 18:08 -0800 |
| Subject | How is unicode implemented behind the scenes? |
| Message-ID | <mailman.7942.1394330927.18130.python-list@python.org> |
OK, I know that Unicode data is stored in an encoding on disk. But how is it stored in RAM? I realize I shouldn't write code that depends on any relevant implementation details, but knowing some of the more common implementation options would probably help build an intuition for what's going on internally. I've heard that characters are no longer all c bytes wide internally, so is it sometimes utf-8? Thanks.
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2014-03-09 02:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <531bd709$0$29985$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #68058 |
On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 18:08:38 -0800, Dan Stromberg wrote:
> OK, I know that Unicode data is stored in an encoding on disk.
>
> But how is it stored in RAM?
There are various common ways to store Unicode strings in RAM.
The first, UTF-16, treats every character [aside: technically, a code
point] as a double byte rather than a single byte. So the letter "A" is
stored as two bytes 0x0041 (or 0x4100 depending on your platform's byte
order). Using two bytes allows for a maximum of 65536 different
characters, *way* too few for the whole Unicode character set, so UTF-16
has an escaping mechanism where characters beyond ordinal 0xFFFF are
stored as *two* "characters" (again, actually, code points) called
surrogate pairs.
That means that a sequence of (say) four human-readable characters may,
depending on those characters, take up anything from eight bytes to
sixteen bytes, and you cannot tell which until you walk through the
sequence inspecting each pair of bytes:
while there are still pairs of bytes to inspect:
c = get_next_pair()
if is_low_surrogate(c):
error
elif is_high_surrogate(c):
d = get_next_pair()
if not is_low_surrogate(d):
error
print make_char_from_surrogate_pair(c, d)
else:
print make_char_from_double_byte(c)
So UTF-16 is a *variable width* (could be 1 unit, could be 2 units)
*double byte* encoding (each unit is two bytes).
Prior to Python 3.3, using UTF-16 was an option when compiling Python's
source code. Such versions of the interpreter are called "narrow builds".
Another option is UTF-32. UTF-32 uses four bytes for every character.
That's enough to store every Unicode character, and then some, so there
are no surrogate pairs needed. But every character takes up four bytes:
"A" would be stored as 0x00000041 or 0x41000000. Although UTF-32 is
faster than UTF-16, because you don't have to walk the string checking
each individual pair of bytes to see if they are part of a surrogate,
strings use up to twice as much memory as UTF-16 whether they need it or
not. (And four times more memory than ASCII strings.)
Prior to Python 3.3, UTF-32 was a build option too. Such versions of the
interpreter are called "wide builds".
Another option is to use UTF-8 internally. With UTF-8, every character
uses between 1 and 4 bytes. By design, ASCII characters are stored using
a single byte, the same byte they would have in old fashioned single-byte
ASCII: the letter "A" is stored as 0x41. (The algorithm used by UTF-8 can
continue up to six bytes, but there is no need to since there aren't that
many Unicode characters.) Because it's variable-width, you have the same
variable-width issues as UTF-16, only even more so, but because most
common characters (at least for English speakers) use only 1 or 2 bytes,
it's much more compact than either.
No version of Python has, to my knowledge, used UTF-8 internally. Some
other languages, such as Go and Haskell, do, and consequently string
processing is slow for them.
In Python 3.3, CPython introduced an internal scheme that gives the best
of all worlds. When a string is created, Python uses a different
implementation depending on the characters in the string:
* If all the characters are ASCII or Latin-1, then the string uses
a single byte per character.
* If all the characters are no greater than ordinal value 0xFFFF,
then UTF-16 is used. Because the characters are all below 0xFFFF,
no surrogate pairs are required.
* Only if there is at least one ord() greater than 0xFFFF does
Python use UTF-32 for that string.
The end result is that creating strings is slightly slower, as Python may
have to inspect each character at most twice to decide what system to
use. But memory use is much improved: Python has *many* strings (every
function, method and class uses many strings in their implementation) and
the memory savings can be considerable. Depending on your application and
what you do with those strings, that may even lead to time savings as
well as memory savings.
--
Steven D'Aprano
http://import-that.dreamwidth.org/
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| From | Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-08 22:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <roy-A8220E.22015908032014@news.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #68062 |
In article <531bd709$0$29985$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote: > There are various common ways to store Unicode strings in RAM. > > The first, UTF-16. > [...] > Another option is UTF-32. > [...] > Another option is to use UTF-8 internally. > [...] > In Python 3.3, CPython introduced an internal scheme that gives the best > of all worlds. When a string is created, Python uses a different > implementation depending on the characters in the string: This was an excellent post, but I would take exception to the "best of all worlds" statement. I would put it a little less absolutely and say something like, "a good compromise for many common use cases". I would even go with, "... for most common use cases". But, there are situations where it loses.
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-09 14:19 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.7948.1394335143.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #68065 |
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote: > In article <531bd709$0$29985$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, > Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote: > >> There are various common ways to store Unicode strings in RAM. >> >> The first, UTF-16. >> [...] >> Another option is UTF-32. >> [...] >> Another option is to use UTF-8 internally. >> [...] >> In Python 3.3, CPython introduced an internal scheme that gives the best >> of all worlds. When a string is created, Python uses a different >> implementation depending on the characters in the string: > > This was an excellent post, but I would take exception to the "best of > all worlds" statement. I would put it a little less absolutely and say > something like, "a good compromise for many common use cases". I would > even go with, "... for most common use cases". But, there are > situations where it loses. It's universally good for string indexing/slicing on binary CPUs (there's no point using a 24-bit or 21-bit representation on an Intel-compatible CPU, even though they'd be just as good as UTC-32). It's not a compromise, so much as a recognition that Python offers convenient operators for indexing and slicing. If, on the other hand, Python fundamentally worked with U+0020 separated words (REXX has a whole set of word-based functions), then it might be better to represent strings as lists of words internally. Or if the string operations are primarily based on the transitions between Unicode types of "space" and "non-space", which would be more likely these days, then something of that sort would still work. Anyway, it's based on the operations the language makes convenient, and which will therefore be common and expected to be fast: those are the operations to optimize for. If the only thing you ever do with a string is iterate sequentially over its characters, UTF-8 would be the perfect representation. It's compact, you can concatenate strings without re-encoding, and it iterates forwards easily. But it sucks for "give me character #142857 from this string", so it's a bad choice for Python. ChrisA
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| From | Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-08 19:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <fd13b137-18a0-46c1-975b-b5fc8486d94f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #68062 |
On Sunday, March 9, 2014 8:20:49 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > No version of Python has, to my knowledge, used UTF-8 internally. Some > other languages, such as Go and Haskell, do, and consequently string > processing is slow for them. Haskell: Its more like: "Heres the menu, take your pick" http://blog.ezyang.com/2010/08/strings-in-haskell/
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| From | Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> |
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| Date | 2014-03-09 05:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lfgv6t$qmf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68062 |
On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 03:50:49 +0000, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > ... UTF-16 ... the letter "A" is stored as two bytes 0x0041 (or 0x4100 > depending on your platform's byte order) ... At the risk of being pedantic, the two bytes are 0x00 and 0x41, and the order in which they appear in memory depends on your platform and even your particular view of that platform (do stacks grow up or down? are addresses of higher memory larger or smaller?). > ... UTF-32 ... "A" would be stored as 0x00000041 or 0x41000000 ... Or even some other sequence if you're on a PDP-11. See <http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/middle-endian.html>. But you knew that. ;-) Pedantic'ly yours, Dan
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