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| Started by | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| First post | 2015-07-19 14:42 +0100 |
| Last post | 2015-07-20 08:10 +0200 |
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Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-19 14:42 +0100
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-07-19 18:10 +0200
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-19 17:38 +0100
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-07-19 19:14 +0200
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-19 18:54 +0100
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 11:28 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? breamoreboy@gmail.com - 2015-07-19 11:44 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 12:13 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? breamoreboy@gmail.com - 2015-07-19 13:21 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-07-20 12:36 +1000
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-19 21:07 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-22 00:40 +0100
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? dieter <dieter@handshake.de> - 2015-07-20 08:46 +0200
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2015-07-20 22:00 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? dieter <dieter@handshake.de> - 2015-07-20 08:36 +0200
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 13:01 -0600
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 12:28 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? breamoreboy@gmail.com - 2015-07-19 13:36 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 14:27 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? breamoreboy@gmail.com - 2015-07-19 17:45 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 18:25 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-07-19 22:05 +0200
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-19 21:28 +0100
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-07-20 00:10 +0200
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-19 23:51 +0100
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-07-20 01:23 +0200
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-20 01:27 +0100
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 17:49 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? breamoreboy@gmail.com - 2015-07-19 18:26 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 18:35 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-07-20 13:12 +1000
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 21:30 -0600
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-07-20 15:59 +1000
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2015-07-20 20:58 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-07-21 18:33 +1000
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 19:58 -0700
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 23:33 -0600
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2015-07-20 00:39 -0600
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-07-20 12:49 +1000
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-07-20 12:32 +1000
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? dieter <dieter@handshake.de> - 2015-07-20 08:06 +0200
Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? dieter <dieter@handshake.de> - 2015-07-20 08:10 +0200
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| From | dieter <dieter@handshake.de> |
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| Date | 2015-07-20 08:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.765.1437372402.3674.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #94126 |
Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > On 19/07/2015 17:10, Cecil Westerhof wrote: >> On Sunday 19 Jul 2015 15:42 CEST, Mark Lawrence wrote: > ... >> Babies want clean diapers. So babies have to change diapers >> themselves? >> > > That has to be the worst analogy I've ever read. We are discussing > backporting working patches, *NOT* having to go through the whole > shooting match from scratch. Nevertheless, the task is (usually) far from trivial. Beside the pure functional aspect, you need at least also address testing againt interference with other features, i.e. you need detailed knowledge about Python's test suite and its setup. This obviously is non trivial - as I have seen fixes break other things. If C code is envolved, you need also understand Python's build environment -- another huge requirement of specific knowledge. Especially, because the Python build process must function on many platforms and typical users only use a single one. The first point causes me prefer external packages - where I (not a community) decide about the extent of testing. It is also easy to remove an external package should it really make problems. The second point causes me to prefer working around problems envolving C code rather than fixing it.
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| From | dieter <dieter@handshake.de> |
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| Date | 2015-07-20 08:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.766.1437372905.3674.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #94126 |
Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> writes: > On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> wrote: >> On Sunday 19 Jul 2015 15:42 CEST, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> >>> On 19/07/2015 03:13, Terry Reedy wrote: >>>> On 7/18/2015 7:50 PM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: >>>>> to 2.7, surely bug fixes are also allowed? >>>> >>>> Of course, allowed. But should they be made, and if so, by who? >>> >>> The people who want the fixes. >> >> Babies want clean diapers. So babies have to change diapers >> themselves? > > Poor analogy. Babies need others to change their diapers for them > because they're not capable of doing it for themselves. I believe Cecil was aware of this and wanted to stress: not everyone who needs a fix is also able to backport a corresponding patch.
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