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| First post | 2012-02-12 12:28 +1100 |
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Re: Python usage numbers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 12:28 +1100
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 02:23 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-11 18:36 -0800
Re: Python usage numbers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 15:38 +1100
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 05:51 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 17:08 +1100
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 10:48 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-02-12 11:47 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 12:11 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 22:49 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2012-02-12 15:55 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 08:50 -0800
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 12:21 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> - 2012-02-12 12:36 -0500
entering unicode (was Python usage numbers) rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 19:09 -0800
Re: entering unicode (was Python usage numbers) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-19 03:44 +0000
Re: entering unicode (was Python usage numbers) rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-02-19 00:52 -0800
How do you Unicode proponents type your non-ASCII characters? (was: Python usage numbers) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-02-13 09:43 +1100
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 22:56 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 10:13 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-02-12 17:07 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 17:22 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 09:14 +1100
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 17:27 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Dave Angel <davea@dejaviewphoto.com> - 2012-02-12 17:40 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 23:29 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 18:41 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-02-12 19:03 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 11:59 +1100
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 20:11 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Christian Heimes <lists@cheimes.de> - 2012-02-13 01:00 +0100
Re: Python usage numbers Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-02-12 21:37 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-02-12 22:09 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 22:57 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-02-13 15:19 +1100
Re: Python usage numbers Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 12:26 -0600
Re: Python usage numbers jmfauth <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 00:00 -0800
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 06:10 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 01:05 -0600
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 09:12 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 05:11 -0600
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 22:30 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-02-12 17:50 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Peter Pearson <ppearson@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-02-12 17:58 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 20:48 -0800
Re: Python usage numbers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 16:03 +1100
OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-13 08:05 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 08:01 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-13 16:12 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 08:27 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 11:38 -0700
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 13:01 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 08:27 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 21:46 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-14 00:19 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 17:07 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 18:29 -0700
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-17 17:13 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-18 13:13 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 02:39 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-02-18 00:28 -0700
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-18 07:02 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 16:15 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-18 10:34 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] random joe <pywin32@gmail.com> - 2012-02-18 10:49 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-02-26 12:14 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-02-18 04:16 -0500
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] John O'Hagan <research@johnohagan.com> - 2012-02-14 19:41 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 16:21 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 11:44 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 17:26 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] John O'Hagan <research@johnohagan.com> - 2012-02-15 19:56 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 07:04 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 15:18 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 08:27 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 17:16 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 09:46 -0700
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-02-26 12:44 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-26 12:35 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-27 07:50 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-26 14:32 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-02-27 07:46 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 07:47 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 14:46 -0700
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 16:39 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 18:36 -0700
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 12:37 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-17 17:37 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Tim Wintle <tim.wintle@teamrubber.com> - 2012-02-13 16:41 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 16:40 -0800
RE: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> - 2012-02-17 20:09 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-14 11:31 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 07:06 -0500
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 16:48 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 12:32 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-15 09:47 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Arnaud Delobelle <arnodel@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 09:58 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-15 10:04 +0000
Kill files [was Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-15 10:27 +0000
Re: Kill files [was Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]] Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-02-15 11:29 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 04:56 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-02-14 09:37 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Matej Cepl <mcepl@redhat.com> - 2012-02-12 09:14 +0100
Re: Python usage numbers Matej Cepl <mcepl@redhat.com> - 2012-02-12 09:26 +0100
Re: Python usage numbers Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 12:11 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-12 18:55 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers jmfauth <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 11:52 -0800
French and IDLE on Windows (was Re: Python usage numbers) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-02-12 18:30 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2012-02-15 11:56 +0200
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| From | rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-14 04:56 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <49def9d0-c9b7-44ba-af2d-073f01f0ffcd@ir9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #20347 |
On Feb 13, 9:01 pm, Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > And just how much healthcare dollars are you entitled to exactly? Can > you put your entitlement into some form of monetary value? Rick hats off to you man -- you are damn good! Did you study at a top- troll-school? eg. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg
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| From | Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-14 09:37 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.5799.1329230243.27778.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #20347 |
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:41:34 +0000, Tim Wintle
<tim.wintle@teamrubber.com> wrote:
>Imagine you go to a doctor and say "I've got the flu, can you give me
>antibiotics".
>
If by this you mean "influenza" then..
>
>In a Public healthcare system:
> * The doctor is paid no matter what.
> * His job is to stop the population becoming ill.
> * By reducing illnesses he reduces his workload, without reducing his
>wage
>
>... so he'll only give you antibiotics if he feels you are at serious
>risk, and giving you antibiotics carries less risk for the population
>than the risk of the population getting immunities.
>
... a good doctor won't give you any antibiotics -- they don't work on
viruses...
An infection of e. coli, OTOH...
--
Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN
wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/
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| From | Matej Cepl <mcepl@redhat.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-12 09:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <jh7s7h$o70$1@ns.felk.cvut.cz> |
| In reply to | #20244 |
On 12.2.2012 03:23, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > The use-case given is: > > "I have a file containing text. I can open it in an editor and see it's > nearly all ASCII text, except for a few weird and bizarre characters like > £ © ± or ö. In Python 2, I can read that file fine. In Python 3 I get an > error. What should I do that requires no thought?" > > Obvious answers: > > - Try decoding with UTF8 or Latin1. Even if you don't get the right > characters, you'll get *something*. > > - Use open(filename, encoding='ascii', errors='surrogateescape') > > (Or possibly errors='ignore'.) These are not good answer, IMHO. The only answer I can think of, really, is: - pack you luggage, your submarine waits on you to peel onions in it (with reference to the Joel's article). Meaning, really, you should learn your craft and pull up your head from the sand. There is a wider world around you. (and yes, I am a Czech, so I need at least latin-2 for my language). Best, Matěj
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| From | Matej Cepl <mcepl@redhat.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-12 09:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <jh7suk$ods$1@ns.felk.cvut.cz> |
| In reply to | #20256 |
On 12.2.2012 09:14, Matej Cepl wrote: >> Obvious answers: >> >> - Try decoding with UTF8 or Latin1. Even if you don't get the right >> characters, you'll get *something*. >> >> - Use open(filename, encoding='ascii', errors='surrogateescape') >> >> (Or possibly errors='ignore'.) > > These are not good answer, IMHO. The only answer I can think of, really, > is: Slightly less flameish answer to the question “What should I do, really?” is a tough one: all these suggested answers are bad because they don’t deal with the fact, that your input data are obviously broken. The rest is just pure GIGO … without fixing (and I mean, really, fixing, not ignoring the problem, which is what the previous answers suggest) your input, you’ll get garbage on output. And you should be thankful to py3k that it shown the issue to you. BTW, can you display the following line? Příliš žluťoučký kůň úpěl ďábelské ódy. Best, Matěj
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-12 12:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.5723.1329048677.27778.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #20257 |
On 12/02/2012 08:26, Matej Cepl wrote: > On 12.2.2012 09:14, Matej Cepl wrote: >>> Obvious answers: >>> >>> - Try decoding with UTF8 or Latin1. Even if you don't get the right >>> characters, you'll get *something*. >>> >>> - Use open(filename, encoding='ascii', errors='surrogateescape') >>> >>> (Or possibly errors='ignore'.) >> >> These are not good answer, IMHO. The only answer I can think of, really, >> is: > > Slightly less flameish answer to the question “What should I do, > really?” is a tough one: all these suggested answers are bad because > they don’t deal with the fact, that your input data are obviously > broken. The rest is just pure GIGO … without fixing (and I mean, really, > fixing, not ignoring the problem, which is what the previous answers > suggest) your input, you’ll get garbage on output. And you should be > thankful to py3k that it shown the issue to you. > > BTW, can you display the following line? > > Příliš žluťoučký kůň úpěl ďábelské ódy. > > Best, > > Matěj Yes in Thunderbird, Notepad, Wordpad and Notepad++ on Windows Vista, can't be bothered to try any other apps. -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence.
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| From | alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-12 18:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <WWTZq.137122$WX2.134161@newsfe28.ams2> |
| In reply to | #20267 |
On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:11:01 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 12/02/2012 08:26, Matej Cepl wrote: >> On 12.2.2012 09:14, Matej Cepl wrote: >>>> Obvious answers: >>>> >>>> - Try decoding with UTF8 or Latin1. Even if you don't get the right >>>> characters, you'll get *something*. >>>> >>>> - Use open(filename, encoding='ascii', errors='surrogateescape') >>>> >>>> (Or possibly errors='ignore'.) >>> >>> These are not good answer, IMHO. The only answer I can think of, >>> really, >>> is: >> >> Slightly less flameish answer to the question “What should I do, >> really?” is a tough one: all these suggested answers are bad because >> they don’t deal with the fact, that your input data are obviously >> broken. The rest is just pure GIGO … without fixing (and I mean, >> really, >> fixing, not ignoring the problem, which is what the previous answers >> suggest) your input, you’ll get garbage on output. And you should be >> thankful to py3k that it shown the issue to you. >> >> BTW, can you display the following line? >> >> Příliš žluťoučký kůň úpěl ďábelské ódy. >> >> Best, >> >> Matěj > > Yes in Thunderbird, Notepad, Wordpad and Notepad++ on Windows Vista, > can't be bothered to try any other apps. Pan seems to be fine , they at least look like letters not just blocks -- Appearances often are deceiving. -- Aesop
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| From | jmfauth <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-12 11:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f023df6a-5eb4-4ed1-9332-1b590948fdc9@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #20288 |
There is so much to say on the subject, I do not know where to start. Some points. Today, Sunday, 12 February 2012, 90%, if not more, of the Python applications supposed to work with text and I'm toying with are simply not working. Two reasons: 1) Most of the devs understand nothing or not enough on the field of the coding of the characters. 2) In gui applications, most of the devs understand nothing or not enough in the keyboard keys/chars handling. --- I know Python since version 1.5.2 or 1.5.6 (?). Among the applications I wrote, my fun is in writing GUI interactive interpreters with Python 2 or 3, tkinter, Tkinter, wxPython, PySide, PyQt4 on Windows. Believe or not, my interactive interpreters are the only ones where I can enter text and where text is displayed correctly. IDLE, wxPython/PyShell, DrPython, ... all are failing. (I do not count console applications). Python popularity? I have no popularity-meter. What I know: I can not type French text in IDLE on Windows. It is like this since ~ten years and I never saw any complain about this. (The problem in bad programmation). Ditto for PyShell in wxPython. I do not count, the number of corrections I proposed. In one version, it takes me 18 months until finally decided to propose a correction. During this time, I never heard of the problem. (Now, it is broken again). --- Is there a way to fix this actual status? - Yes, and *very easily*. Will it be fixed? - No, because there is no willingness to solve it. --- Roy Smith's quote: "... that we'll all just be using UTF-32, ..." Considering PEP 393, Python is not taking this road. --- How many devs know, one can not write text in French with the iso-8859-1 coding? (see pep 393) How can one explain, corporates like MS or Apple with their cp1252 or mac-roman codings succeeded to know this? Ditto for foundries (Adobe, LinoType, ...) --- Python is 20 years old. It was developped with ascii in mind. Python was not born, all this stuff was already a no problem with Windows and VB. Even a step higher, Windows was no born, this was a no problem at DOS level (eg TurboPascal), 30 years ago! Design mistake. --- Python 2 introduced the <unicode> type. Very nice. Problem. The introduction of the automatic coercion ascii-"unicode", which somehow breaks everything. Very bad design mistake. (In my mind, the biggest one). --- One day, I fell on the web on a very old discussion about Python related to the introduction of unicode in Python 2. Something like: Python core dev (it was VS or AP): "... lets go with ucs-4 and we have no problem in the future ...". Look at the situation today. --- And so one. --- Conclusion. A Windows programmer is better served by downloading VB.NET Express. A end Windows user is better served with an application developped with VB.NET Express. I find somehow funny, Python is able to produce this: >>> (1.1).hex() '0x1.199999999999ap+0' >>> and on the other side, Python, Python applications, are not able to deal correctly with text entering and text displaying. Probably, the two most important tasks a "computer" has to do! jmf PS I'm not a computer scientist, only a computer user.
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| From | Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> |
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| Date | 2012-02-12 18:30 -0500 |
| Subject | French and IDLE on Windows (was Re: Python usage numbers) |
| Message-ID | <mailman.5743.1329089434.27778.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #20289 |
On 2/12/2012 2:52 PM, jmfauth wrote: > Python popularity? I have no popularity-meter. What I know: > I can not type French text in IDLE on Windows. It is like I am pretty sure others have managed to. tk and hence idle handle the entire BMP subset of unicode just fine once they get them. Except for the apple version, which has just been fixed so French entry should work. Showing characters on the screen requires an appropriate font. http://bugs.python.org/issue4281 was the result of a font problem. > this since ~ten years and I never saw any complain about > this. Neither have I, except for the issue above I just found. So there is nothing obvious to fix. If you have a problem, give the specifics here and lets see if someone has a solution. -- Terry Jan Reedy
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| From | Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> |
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| Date | 2012-02-15 11:56 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vg3k43ol8sj.fsf@sci.fi> |
| In reply to | #20257 |
Matej Cepl <mcepl@redhat.com> writes: > Slightly less flameish answer to the question “What should I do, > really?” is a tough one: all these suggested answers are bad because > they don’t deal with the fact, that your input data are obviously > broken. The rest is just pure GIGO … Well, sure, but it happens that input data is broken and not fixable. For example, I did a little program to display email headers like the old frm that was bundled with elm, only with support for MIME decoding of the headers. Obviously lots of email software is still completely broken regarding MIME and also multi-line headers. However, something useful can still be extracted from that broken data. > BTW, can you display the following line? > > Příliš žluťoučký kůň úpěl ďábelské ódy. Looks fine to me. You used an ellipsis too above. Well, I don't know what it shold look like exactly. Lots of accents. Hmm, Google says it means "The quick brown fox cried too lazy"? Seems appropriate :) BTW, I'm sending this via Usenet, I wonder what happens in the mail-news gateway?
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