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  Diving in to Python - Best resources? Matt Watson <mattwatson.mail@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 11:34 -0800
    Re: Diving in to Python - Best resources? Emile van Sebille <emile@fenx.com> - 2014-01-20 11:50 -0800
    Re: Diving in to Python - Best resources? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 10:49 +1100
    Re: Diving in to Python - Best resources? Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 08:00 -0800
      Re: Diving in to Python - Best resources? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-21 12:57 -0500
      Re: Diving in to Python - Best resources? Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-01-21 10:53 -0800
    Re: Diving in to Python - Best resources? notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2014-01-22 02:19 +0000
    Re: Diving in to Python - Best resources? Agility <hacktheplanet@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 21:23 -0800

#64370 — Diving in to Python - Best resources?

Getting in the habit of dropping in a google group for any new project - everyone tends to be so helpful.

I work in the automotive sales industry(management) and find myself doing so many day to day tasks that could easily be automated. I'm a very tech saavy person, but after running in fear from a Javascript class in undergrad 8 years ago I haven't ever looked back. I simply had no interest because I saw no applications. 

Now that I have a solid career I see SO many applications for programming in my industry alone. Automating data movement/calculations from websites, spreadsheets, pricing, etc will be my primary use. I'm OK saying I didn't retain 1% of what I learned in the Javascript class, I've dabbled in HTML, I've tweaked code in Excel macros or AutoIt scripts, but I'd classify myself as a complete beginner in programming. 

Like a kid, I learn by tearing things apart and watching them tick. I have started the Code Academy on Python, but I'm not sure a constant IV dosage of adderall could keep my attention. I also run into exercises that absolutely lose me and I have to spend 30 minutes googling a solution because the lesson and hints are useless. 

My question to you guys is... for someone like me, what route would you take to learning Python? "Learn Python the Hard Way" sounds like a good route, but I prefer some testimony before I make a purchase. Again, I understand the details are the building blocks of programming, but I don't think I can handle writing 10 lines of true/false (boolean right?) calculations on Code Academy only for the next course to speak a foreign language to me. Any other methods you would suggest? I've even considered auditing a college class if I can find one for Python.

Thanks in advance!

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#64371

On 1/20/2014 11:34 AM, Matt Watson wrote:

> My question to you guys is... for someone like me, what route would you take to learning Python?

I'd work my way through the tutorial [1] then pick a work based project 
and start right in.  Ask questions along the way.

Emile


[1] http://docs.python.org/2/tutorial/

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#64381

On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Emile van Sebille <emile@fenx.com> wrote:
> On 1/20/2014 11:34 AM, Matt Watson wrote:
>
>> My question to you guys is... for someone like me, what route would you
>> take to learning Python?
>
>
> I'd work my way through the tutorial [1] then pick a work based project and
> start right in.  Ask questions along the way.
>
> [1] http://docs.python.org/2/tutorial/

I'd agree, except that I'd use this link [2] instead, and a Python 3.x
interpreter. Unless you have a good reason for writing Python 2 code
and learning Python 2, skip it and go straight to Py3.

ChrisA

[2] http://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/

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#64427

On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:04:16 AM UTC+5:30, Matt Watson wrote:
> Getting in the habit of dropping in a google group for any new project - 
> everyone tends to be so helpful.

> I work in the automotive sales industry(management) and find myself
> doing so many day to day tasks that could easily be automated. I'm a
> very tech saavy person, but after running in fear from a Javascript
> class in undergrad 8 years ago I haven't ever looked back. I simply
> had no interest because I saw no applications.

> Now that I have a solid career I see SO many applications for
> programming in my industry alone. Automating data
> movement/calculations from websites, spreadsheets, pricing, etc will
> be my primary use.I'm OK saying I didn't retain 1% of what I
> learned in the Javascript class, I've dabbled in HTML, I've tweaked
> code in Excel macros or AutoIt scripts, but I'd classify myself as a
> complete beginner in programming.

It looks like 
1. You are familiar with spreadsheets
2. Your work is spreadsheet-like

Why not develop that into a bigger strength?

Most people -- even those using spreadsheets -- dont seem to think of
the spreadsheet macro language/VBA as a programming language but it
is and it may well be all you need.  This is written by one of the
biggest names in programming languages today

http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/simonpj/Papers/excel/excel.pdf

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#64431

On 1/21/2014 11:00 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:04:16 AM UTC+5:30, Matt Watson wrote:
>> Getting in the habit of dropping in a google group for any new project -
>> everyone tends to be so helpful.
>
>> I work in the automotive sales industry(management) and find myself
>> doing so many day to day tasks that could easily be automated. I'm a
>> very tech saavy person, but after running in fear from a Javascript
>> class in undergrad 8 years ago I haven't ever looked back. I simply
>> had no interest because I saw no applications.
>
>> Now that I have a solid career I see SO many applications for
>> programming in my industry alone. Automating data
>> movement/calculations from websites, spreadsheets, pricing, etc will
>> be my primary use.I'm OK saying I didn't retain 1% of what I
>> learned in the Javascript class, I've dabbled in HTML, I've tweaked
>> code in Excel macros or AutoIt scripts, but I'd classify myself as a
>> complete beginner in programming.
>
> It looks like
> 1. You are familiar with spreadsheets
> 2. Your work is spreadsheet-like
>
> Why not develop that into a bigger strength?
>
> Most people -- even those using spreadsheets -- dont seem to think of
> the spreadsheet macro language/VBA as a programming language but it
> is

Definitely. I once worked out how to do nonlinear regression with a 
spreadsheet, after doing it with Basic (and later C).

> and it may well be all you need. This is written by one of the
> biggest names in programming languages today
>
> http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/simonpj/Papers/excel/excel.pdf

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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#64450

On 01/21/2014 08:00 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>
> Most people -- even those using spreadsheets -- dont seem to think of
> the spreadsheet macro language/VBA as a programming language

Ack, are you trying to put him off programming again?!?  ;)

Python us fun and a pleasure to use. VBA is not.  (IMNSHO & YMMV)

--
~Ethan~

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#64473

On 2014-01-20, Matt Watson <mattwatson.mail@gmail.com> wrote:

> My question to you guys is... for someone like me, what route would
> you take to learning Python? "Learn Python the Hard Way" sounds like
> a good route, but I prefer some testimony before I make a
> purchase. 

You sound a lot like myself, in that you are easily frustrated.  I
discovered long ago I'm NOT a programmer.  I've dipped a toe into
basic, html, C, bash script, lisp, etc, but have never gotten beyond
the "pissed" and/or "bored-to-tears" level.  Much of this is due to
almost every single book/tutorial/howto/etc having either mistakes in
the code or crippling omissions, requiring a 30 min search on the web,
jes like you sed.  I hate that!

So, Learning Python the Hard way.  I love it!!  No mistakes.  No
omissions.  Everthing explained.  I'm about a doz lessons in and the
author has me chuckling (he has a sense of humor) with pleased delight
after I successfully complete a lesson.  I also use the 2.7.6 Python
Standard Library as a reference in case I wanna know more.  I'm
enrolled in an online python course starting in Mar and I'm hoping
LPtHW will get me sufficiently primed.  I think it will.  I highly
recommend it.

nb

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#64570

If you are already a Perl programmer, this link could be useful!

https://wiki.python.org/moin/PerlPhrasebook

A

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