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  Early retirement project? xeysxeys@gmail.com - 2014-01-21 00:00 -0800
    Re: Early retirement project? Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 00:30 -0800
      Re: Early retirement project? Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-01-22 00:25 +1300
    Re: Early retirement project? Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-01-22 00:20 +1300
    Re: Early retirement project? Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-01-21 05:38 -0600
    Re: Early retirement project? Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 05:22 -0700
      Re: Early retirement project? Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-01-21 15:25 +0000
    Re: Early retirement project? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-21 12:34 -0500
      Re: Early retirement project? wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-22 00:18 -0800
        Re: Early retirement project? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-22 10:10 +0000
        Re: Early retirement project? Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2014-01-22 13:39 +0000
        Re: Early retirement project? Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 06:45 -0700
          Re: Early retirement project? Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 05:56 -0800
        Re: Early retirement project? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-22 14:28 +0000
        Re: Early retirement project? Piet van Oostrum <piet@vanoostrum.org> - 2014-01-22 19:28 +0100
        Re: Early retirement project? Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-01-23 10:54 +1300

#64389 — Early retirement project?

Well, I retired early, and I guess now I've got some spare time to learn about programming, which always seemed rather mysterious. I am using an old mac as my main computer, and it runs os x 10.4 is this too old? It fills my needs, and I am on a fixed income and can't really afford to buy another. I think python would be a good starter language, based on what I've read on the net.

xeysxeys

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#64392

Congrats on the early retirement! It takes guts to decide to do that. :)

Python can run on a mac 10.4. In the worst case you may have to
download xcode and build Python from source, if there are no powerpc
binaries available. That's pretty simple, though (./configure && make
&& make install).

-- Devin

On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 12:00 AM,  <xeysxeys@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I retired early, and I guess now I've got some spare time to learn about programming, which always seemed rather mysterious. I am using an old mac as my main computer, and it runs os x 10.4 is this too old? It fills my needs, and I am on a fixed income and can't really afford to buy another. I think python would be a good starter language, based on what I've read on the net.
>
> xeysxeys
> --
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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#64401

Devin Jeanpierre wrote:

> Python can run on a mac 10.4. In the worst case you may have to
> download xcode and build Python from source,

There's even a Python that already comes with the system,
although it's an oldish version (somewhere around 2.5,
I think).

-- 
Greg

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#64400

xeysxeys@gmail.com wrote:
> I am using an old mac as my
> main computer, and it runs os x 10.4 is this too old?

Not at all! It's plenty powerful enough to run Python
for educational purposes, and for some quite serious
purposes as well.

Also, Python is an excellent choice for learning
programming. There's hardly any extraneous crud to
learn before you can get started -- you just get
right down to business.

-- 
Greg

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#64404

On 2014-01-21 00:00, xeysxeys@gmail.com wrote:
> Well, I retired early, and I guess now I've got some spare time to
> learn about programming, which always seemed rather mysterious. I
> am using an old mac as my main computer, and it runs os x 10.4 is
> this too old? It fills my needs, and I am on a fixed income and
> can't really afford to buy another. I think python would be a good
> starter language, based on what I've read on the net.

It's certainly a great way to consume lots of hours :)

Mac OS X 10.4 should come with an older version of Python
out-of-the-box.  The install media should also include XCode if you
want to download the latest & greatest version of Python and install
that from source instead.

-tkc

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#64407

On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Devin Jeanpierre
<jeanpierreda@gmail.com> wrote:
> Congrats on the early retirement! It takes guts to decide to do that. :)

I thought it took money.

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#64419

On 2014-01-21, Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Devin Jeanpierre
><jeanpierreda@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Congrats on the early retirement! It takes guts to decide to do that. :)
>
> I thought it took money.

One or the other.  If you've got money, it doesn't take guts.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! I feel better about
                                  at               world problems now!
                              gmail.com            

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#64428

On 1/21/2014 6:38 AM, Tim Chase wrote:
> On 2014-01-21 00:00, xeysxeys@gmail.com wrote:
>> Well, I retired early, and I guess now I've got some spare time to
>> learn about programming, which always seemed rather mysterious. I
>> am using an old mac as my main computer, and it runs os x 10.4 is
>> this too old? It fills my needs, and I am on a fixed income and
>> can't really afford to buy another. I think python would be a good
>> starter language, based on what I've read on the net.
>
> It's certainly a great way to consume lots of hours :)
>
> Mac OS X 10.4 should come with an older version of Python
> out-of-the-box.

Someone else said that it comes with 2.5. That will be fine for many 
purposed. If you do use that, always make any classes you define a 
subclass of 'object' if nothing else. In other words,

class MyClass(object): ...
# instead of
class MyClass: ...

In Python 2, the second gives you an 'old-style' or 'classic' class. You 
do not need to learn about those. In Python 3, both forms give you 
new-style classes, which is what you should learn.

There are a few other obsolete features to avoid, such as using strings 
for exceptions.

> The install media should also include XCode if you
> want to download the latest & greatest version of Python and install
> that from source instead.

If you can do that easily, I recommend starting with the latest Python 
3, especially if you want to work with non-English (non-ascii) characters.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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#64483

Le mardi 21 janvier 2014 18:34:44 UTC+1, Terry Reedy a écrit :
> On 1/21/2014 6:38 AM, Tim Chase wrote:
> 
> > On 2014-01-21 00:00, xeysxeys@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> >> Well, I retired early, and I guess now I've got some spare time to
> 
> >> learn about programming, which always seemed rather mysterious. I
> 
> >> am using an old mac as my main computer, and it runs os x 10.4 is
> 
> >> this too old? It fills my needs, and I am on a fixed income and
> 
> >> can't really afford to buy another. I think python would be a good
> 
> >> starter language, based on what I've read on the net.
> 
> >
> 
> > It's certainly a great way to consume lots of hours :)
> 
> >
> 
> > Mac OS X 10.4 should come with an older version of Python
> 
> > out-of-the-box.
> 
> 
> 
> Someone else said that it comes with 2.5. That will be fine for many 
> 
> purposed. If you do use that, always make any classes you define a 
> 
> subclass of 'object' if nothing else. In other words,
> 
> 
> 
> class MyClass(object): ...
> 
> # instead of
> 
> class MyClass: ...
> 
> 
> 
> In Python 2, the second gives you an 'old-style' or 'classic' class. You 
> 
> do not need to learn about those. In Python 3, both forms give you 
> 
> new-style classes, which is what you should learn.
> 
> 
> 
> There are a few other obsolete features to avoid, such as using strings 
> 
> for exceptions.
> 
> 
> 
> > The install media should also include XCode if you
> 
> > want to download the latest & greatest version of Python and install
> 
> > that from source instead.
> 
> 
> 
> If you can do that easily, I recommend starting with the latest Python 
> 
> 3, especially if you want to work with non-English (non-ascii) characters.
> 
> 

In fact, Python just becomes the last tool I (would)
recommend, especially for non-ascii users.

jmf

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#64490

On 22/01/2014 08:18, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:

To my knowledge you are one of only two people who refuse to remove 
double line spacing from google.  Just how bloody minded are you?

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#64496

On 2014-01-22, wxjmfauth@gmail.com <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> wrote:
> In fact, Python just becomes the last tool I (would)
> recommend, especially for non-ascii users.

Have a care, jmf. People unfamiliar with your opinions might take
that seriously.

-- 
Neil Cerutti

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#64497

On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 1:18 AM,  <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> wrote:
> In fact, Python just becomes the last tool I (would)
> recommend, especially for non-ascii users.

That's right - only Americans should use Python!

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#64499

On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:15:34 PM UTC+5:30, Larry  wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 1:18 AM,  wrote:
> > In fact, Python just becomes the last tool I (would)
> > recommend, especially for non-ascii users.

> That's right - only Americans should use Python!

Of whom the firstest and worstest is Guido v Rossum

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#64501

On 22/01/2014 08:18, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:
>
> In fact, Python just becomes the last tool I (would)
> recommend, especially for non-ascii users.
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aItpjF5vXc dedicated to jmf and his 
knowledge of unicode and Python.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#64522

wxjmfauth@gmail.com writes:


> In fact, Python just becomes the last tool I (would)
> recommend, especially for non-ascii users.
>
> jmf

In fact, Python 3 is one of the best programming tools for non-ASCII users.

-- 
Piet van Oostrum <piet@vanoostrum.org>
WWW: http://pietvanoostrum.com/
PGP key: [8DAE142BE17999C4]

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#64537

wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:

> In fact, Python just becomes the last tool I (would)
> recommend, especially for non-ascii users.

To the OP: Ignore wxjmfauth, he's our resident nutcase.

-- 
Greg

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