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  Re: "More About Unicode in Python 2 and 3" Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-01-06 17:25 -0500

#63358 — Re: "More About Unicode in Python 2 and 3"

On 1/6/14 5:16 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> Ned Batchelder <ned <at> nedbatchelder.com> writes:
>>
>>
>> I never said they were the whole community, of course. But they are not
>> outliers either. By your own statistics above, 23% of respondents think
>> Python 3 was a mistake.  Armin and Kenneth are just two very visible
>> people.
>
> Indeed, they are two very visible people.
>
>> I'm not creating rock stars.  I'm acknowledging that these two people
>> are listened to by many others.  It sounds like part of your effort to
>> avoid rockstars is to ignore any one person's specific feedback?  I must
>> be misunderstanding what you mean.
>
> I am not trying to ignore "any one person's specific feedback". I am
> ignoring your claim that we should give Armin's blog posts an
> extraordinary importance because he is "revered".
>
> Speaking of which, posting blog articles is not the preferred way to
> give feedback. There are ample community resources for that. I am
> irritated that we are apparently supposed to be monitoring blog posts,
> Twitter feeds and whatnot for any sign of dissent, and immediately react
> to a criticism that wasn't even voiced directly to us.
>
>> You are being given detailed specific feedback from intelligent
>> dedicated customers that many people listen to,
>
> Could you please stop talking about customers? We are not selling
> Python to anyone (*). Writing open source software as a volunteer is
> not supposed to be a sacrificial activity where we will bow with
> extreme diligence to the community's every outburst. Please try to
> respect us.

I do respect you, and all the core developers.  As I've said elsewhere 
in the thread, I greatly appreciate everything you do.  I dedicate a 
great deal of time and energy to the Python community, primarily because 
of the amazing product that you have all built.

I've made my point as best as I can, I'll stop now.

>
> ((*) Wikipedia: "A customer (sometimes known as a client, buyer, or
> purchaser) is the recipient of a good, service, product, or idea,
> obtained from a seller, vendor, or supplier for a monetary or other
> valuable consideration")
>
> Regards
>
> Antoine.
>
>


-- 
Ned Batchelder, http://nedbatchelder.com

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