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  Debugging on the Mac question. Sean Murphy <mhysnm1964@gmail.com> - 2014-01-03 15:17 +1100
    Re: Debugging on the Mac question. Paul Rudin <paul.nospam@rudin.co.uk> - 2014-01-03 09:08 +0000
      Re: Debugging on the Mac question. Sean Murphy <mhysnm1964@gmail.com> - 2014-01-03 23:38 +1100

#63042 — Debugging on the Mac question.

Team,


I am a Vision Impaired programmer on the Mac and Window platforms. I have started to learn Python. The biggest road block I have is the ability of debugging my simple scripts. The IDLE program does not work with the screen readers I use on the Mac or Windows. A screen reader is a program that grabs the text on the screen and converts it into speech output, at least this is the 50000 feet explanation.  I cannot see the screen at all.

I have looked at eclipse and it doesn't work with Voice-Over (the screen reader on the Mac). I have java issues on my windows machine preventing me running this app.

If I use $python -d script.py the debugger doesn't seem to trigger on the mac. 

So how I can perform a debug on a script so I can step through it, set up break points, watch variables, etc. 

It is really annoying me, since under Perl I just added the -d switch and had a full debugger that worked at the console level.

Sean 

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Sean Murphy <mhysnm1964@gmail.com> writes:


> I am a Vision Impaired programmer on the Mac and Window platforms. I have
> started to learn Python. The biggest road block I have is the ability of
> debugging my simple scripts. The IDLE program does not work with the screen
> readers I use on the Mac or Windows. A screen reader is a program that grabs
> the text on the screen and converts it into speech output, at least this is the
> 50000 feet explanation.  I cannot see the screen at all.
>
> I have looked at eclipse and it doesn't work with Voice-Over (the screen reader
> on the Mac). I have java issues on my windows machine preventing me running
> this app.
>
> If I use $python -d script.py the debugger doesn't seem to trigger on the mac. 
>
> So how I can perform a debug on a script so I can step through it, set up break
> points, watch variables, etc.
>
> It is really annoying me, since under Perl I just added the -d switch and had a
> full debugger that worked at the console level.

For command line debugging see
<http://docs.python.org/3/library/pdb.html>. 


More generally you might want to investigate
<http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/> (disclaimer - I have never used
this, but from what you say you might find it useful).

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#63086

PETER,

thanks Peter, I have already found the PDB module and have had a play with it. It will do for now.
On 03/01/2014, at 8:08 PM, Paul Rudin <paul.nospam@rudin.co.uk> wrote:

> Sean Murphy <mhysnm1964@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> 
>> I am a Vision Impaired programmer on the Mac and Window platforms. I have
>> started to learn Python. The biggest road block I have is the ability of
>> debugging my simple scripts. The IDLE program does not work with the screen
>> readers I use on the Mac or Windows. A screen reader is a program that grabs
>> the text on the screen and converts it into speech output, at least this is the
>> 50000 feet explanation.  I cannot see the screen at all.
>> 
>> I have looked at eclipse and it doesn't work with Voice-Over (the screen reader
>> on the Mac). I have java issues on my windows machine preventing me running
>> this app.
>> 
>> If I use $python -d script.py the debugger doesn't seem to trigger on the mac. 
>> 
>> So how I can perform a debug on a script so I can step through it, set up break
>> points, watch variables, etc.
>> 
>> It is really annoying me, since under Perl I just added the -d switch and had a
>> full debugger that worked at the console level.
> 
> For command line debugging see
> <http://docs.python.org/3/library/pdb.html>. 
> 
> 
> More generally you might want to investigate
> <http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/> (disclaimer - I have never used
> this, but from what you say you might find it useful).
> -- 
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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