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  Re: Ifs and assignments Gary Herron <gary.herron@islandtraining.com> - 2014-01-02 11:27 -0800

#62998 — Re: Ifs and assignments

On 01/02/2014 09:20 AM, John Allsup wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is my debut on this list.
>
> In many languages, such as C, one can use assignments in conditionals 
> and expressions.  The most common, and useful case turns up when you 
> have if/else if/else if/else constructs. Consider the following 
> non-working pseudoPython.
>
> import re
> r1 = re.compile("hello (\d)")
> r2 = re.compile("world([!?])")
>
> w = "hello world!"
>
> if m = r1.search(w):

This kind of thing in C/C+ has always been the source of much confusion 
and potential errors, because the construct is so similar to an "==" 
test.  Python does not replicate this potential for confusion.   
Instead, we use two lines of code, an assignment and then the test.   If 
you find that extra line of code inconvenient than at least you can take 
comfort in the fact that it is clearer code.  If you are still not 
convinced, ... then sorry, that's just the way Python is.

Gary Herron


>     handleMatch1(m)
> elif m = r2.search(w):
>     handleMatch2(m)
> else:
>     print("No match")
>
> If the regular expressions are complex, running them multiple times 
> (once to test, another to capture groups) isn't ideal.  On the other 
> hand, at present, one has to either do:
>
> m = r1.search(w)
> if m:
>     handleMatch1(m)
> else:
>     m = r2.search(w)
>     if m:
>         handleMatch2(m)
>     else:
>         print("No match")
>
> if not running unnecessary matches, yet capturing groups in the event 
> of a successful match, is what is desired.
>
> If there are multiple tests, the indentation gets silly.  This arises 
> because having removed the ability to assign in an expression, there 
> is no way to save the result of a function call that is used in a 
> conditional at all.
>
> I am aware that this facility in C is a source of bugs, = being only a 
> typo away from the more common ==.  With exceptions and contexts, we 
> have:
>
> with open("file") as f:
>     doSomethingWith(f)
>
> try:
>     trySomething()
> except SomethingRandomGoingWrong as e:
>     lookAtException(e)
>
> What I am wondering is why not use a similar syntax with if, so that 
> one could do
>
> if r1.search(w) as m:
>     g = m.groups()
>     print(g[1])
>
> This would remove the risk of errors by typos since the syntax for 
> equality testing (if x == y:) is completely different from that for 
> assigning in a conditional (which would look like 'if y as x:'
>
> Related would be to have Nonetype work with contexts such that
>
> with None as x:
>     doStuff(x)
>
> would do nothing.  This would allow things like:
>
> with maybeGetSomething as x:
>     doStuff(x)
>
> to call doStuff(x) within a context of maybeGetSomething returns 
> something, or do nothing if nothing is returned.  (Adding an else-like
> keyword to with, or possibly using else in that context, would allow 
> one to process a non-None object if returned, or else do something in 
> response to a None object being returned by the maybeGetSomething.)
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Or what is the current 'Pythonic' way to do something like:
>
> if x = func1():
>     do1(x)
> elif x = func2():
>     do2(x)
> elif x = func3():
>     do3(x)
> elif x = func4():
>     do4(x)
> else:
>     do5()
>
> where each of func1,func2,func3,func4 have side effects so that func2 
> is tested if and only if func1 returns a false value, func1 must be 
> called only once, and what is returned from func1 must be available to 
> the code inside the if block?
>
>
> John
>

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