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  [OT]Royal pardon for codebreaker Turing Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-24 00:32 +0000
    Re: [OT]Royal pardon for codebreaker Turing Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-24 05:07 +0000
      Re: [OT]Royal pardon for codebreaker Turing Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> - 2013-12-24 11:51 -0900
        Re: [OT]Royal pardon for codebreaker Turing Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-25 11:57 +1100
          Re: [OT]Royal pardon for codebreaker Turing Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> - 2013-12-25 07:50 -0900
            Re: [OT]Royal pardon for codebreaker Turing Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-26 10:05 +1100
              Re: [OT]Royal pardon for codebreaker Turing Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-12-25 19:20 -0500
                Re: [OT]Royal pardon for codebreaker Turing Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-26 11:32 +1100
      Re: [OT]Royal pardon for codebreaker Turing Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-27 17:34 +0000
      Re: [OT]Royal pardon for codebreaker Turing Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-12-28 07:30 +1100
        Re: [OT]Royal pardon for codebreaker Turing Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-28 04:16 +0000
          Re: [OT]Royal pardon for codebreaker Turing Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-12-28 17:13 +1100
          Re: [OT]Royal pardon for codebreaker Turing Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-28 08:05 +0000

#62659 — [OT]Royal pardon for codebreaker Turing

Maybe of interest to some of you 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25495315

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#62668

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 00:32:31 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote:

> Maybe of interest to some of you
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25495315

While I'm happy for Alan Turing, may he rest in peace, I think the 
thousands of other homosexuals who have been prosecuted for something 
which shouldn't be a crime in the first place might be a bit peeved that 
he is singled out for a pardon.

Personally, I think that people ought to throw a party celebrating 
Turing's rehabilitation, and do it right outside the Russian Embassy.



-- 
Steven

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#62691

* Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> [131224 07:05]:
> On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 00:32:31 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> 
> > Maybe of interest to some of you
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25495315
> 
> While I'm happy for Alan Turing, may he rest in peace, I think the 
> thousands of other homosexuals who have been prosecuted for something 
> which shouldn't be a crime in the first place might be a bit peeved that 
> he is singled out for a pardon.
 
  The LGBTs that I know are happy to hear about it...

> Personally, I think that people ought to throw a party celebrating 
> Turing's rehabilitation, and do it right outside the Russian Embassy.
  
  :) Yeah!

-- 
Tim 
tim at tee jay forty nine dot com or akwebsoft dot com
http://www.akwebsoft.com, http://www.tj49.com

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#62693

Tim Johnson wrote:

> * Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> [131224 07:05]:
>> On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 00:32:31 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>> 
>> > Maybe of interest to some of you
>> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25495315
>> 
>> While I'm happy for Alan Turing, may he rest in peace, I think the
>> thousands of other homosexuals who have been prosecuted for something
>> which shouldn't be a crime in the first place might be a bit peeved that
>> he is singled out for a pardon.
>  
>   The LGBTs that I know are happy to hear about it...

How many of them have been prosecuted themselves? If they have been, did
they get pardoned as well?

In case it wasn't obvious, I'm not objecting to Turing being pardoned. I'm
suggesting that there are probably thousands of people whose lives were
equally ruined, and they haven't been pardoned. I'm sure that Turing wasn't
the only person who was forced into taking hormone "therapy", he probably
wasn't the only person driven to suicide, and I know that he wasn't the
only one who lost his job and career because of the hateful laws.

Turing's prosecution was an especially spiteful example, given his role in
the war effort, but many others suffered equally. Some may even be alive
today. Where is their royal pardon?



-- 
Steven

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#62713

* Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> [131224 16:19]:
> Tim Johnson wrote:
> 
> > * Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> [131224 07:05]:
> >> On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 00:32:31 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Maybe of interest to some of you
> >> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25495315
> >> 
> >> While I'm happy for Alan Turing, may he rest in peace, I think the
> >> thousands of other homosexuals who have been prosecuted for something
> >> which shouldn't be a crime in the first place might be a bit peeved that
> >> he is singled out for a pardon.
> >  
> >   The LGBTs that I know are happy to hear about it...
> 
> How many of them have been prosecuted themselves? If they have been, did
> they get pardoned as well?
> 
> In case it wasn't obvious, I'm not objecting to Turing being pardoned. I'm
> suggesting that there are probably thousands of people whose lives were
> equally ruined, and they haven't been pardoned. I'm sure that Turing wasn't
> the only person who was forced into taking hormone "therapy", he probably
> wasn't the only person driven to suicide, and I know that he wasn't the
> only one who lost his job and career because of the hateful laws.
> 
> Turing's prosecution was an especially spiteful example, given his role in
> the war effort, but many others suffered equally. Some may even be alive
> today. Where is their royal pardon?

  I'm not sure if you have a cause or if you want an argument.
  You'll get none from me. I - like many others, and perhaps you as
  well - carry the scars of man's inhumanity to man. Justice for
  that has its venue and it isn't on this ML.

  Go find your cause and its venue. I'm done with this.
-- 
Tim 
tim at tee jay forty nine dot com or akwebsoft dot com
http://www.akwebsoft.com, http://www.tj49.com

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#62716

Tim Johnson wrote:

> I'm not sure if you have a cause or if you want an argument.

I thought we were having a conversation.

Not every exchange of messages on the internet is best understood as a
dispute between opposing views. Apologies if you thought I was arguing with
you. I thought I was just clarifying my position to avoid
misunderstandings. How ironic that I apparently was doing the opposite :(


-- 
Steven

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#62717

In article <52bb64d7$0$29973$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>,
 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:

> Tim Johnson wrote:
> 
> > I'm not sure if you have a cause or if you want an argument.
> 
> I thought we were having a conversation.
> 
> Not every exchange of messages on the internet is best understood as a
> dispute between opposing views.

Is too!

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#62718

On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <52bb64d7$0$29973$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>,
>  Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
>
>> Tim Johnson wrote:
>>
>> > I'm not sure if you have a cause or if you want an argument.
>>
>> I thought we were having a conversation.
>>
>> Not every exchange of messages on the internet is best understood as a
>> dispute between opposing views.
>
> Is too!

I didn't come here for a parameter!

ChrisA

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#62812

On 24/12/2013 05:07, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 00:32:31 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>
>> Maybe of interest to some of you
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25495315
>
> While I'm happy for Alan Turing, may he rest in peace, I think the
> thousands of other homosexuals who have been prosecuted for something
> which shouldn't be a crime in the first place might be a bit peeved that
> he is singled out for a pardon.
>
> Personally, I think that people ought to throw a party celebrating
> Turing's rehabilitation, and do it right outside the Russian Embassy.
>

Any particular reason for the restriction to Russian Embassy?

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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On 28 December 2013 04:34, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
>> Personally, I think that people ought to throw a party celebrating
>> Turing's rehabilitation, and do it right outside the Russian Embassy.
>>
>>
> Any particular reason for the restriction to Russian Embassy?


I suspect it's in reference to the difficulties homosexuals are likely to
face when attending or competing in the 2014 Winter Olympic and Paralympic
Games at Sochi. Adam Hills in particular has had a real go about it on his
UK show "The Last Leg" where he decided to turn Vladimir Putin into a
homosexual icon (search "last leg sochi" without the quotes).

Tim Delaney

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#62833

On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 07:30:34 +1100, Tim Delaney wrote:

> On 28 December 2013 04:34, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Personally, I think that people ought to throw a party celebrating
>>> Turing's rehabilitation, and do it right outside the Russian Embassy.
>>>
>>>
>> Any particular reason for the restriction to Russian Embassy?
> 
> 
> I suspect it's in reference to the difficulties homosexuals are likely
> to face when attending or competing in the 2014 Winter Olympic and
> Paralympic Games at Sochi.

I don't care about the Olympians. Their presence in Russia is voluntary, 
and so long as they keep it in their pants for a few weeks (or at least 
don't get caught) they get to go home again a few weeks later. Have a 
thought for those who don't get to go home again. I'm talking about the 
situation in Russia, where the government is engaging in 1930s-style 
scape-goating and oppression of homosexuals. They haven't quite reached 
the level of Kristallnacht or concentration camps, but the rhetoric and 
laws coming out of the Kremlin are just like that coming out of the 
Reichstag in the thirties.



-- 
Steven

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#62834

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On 28 December 2013 15:16, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:

> I don't care about the Olympians. Their presence in Russia is voluntary,
> and so long as they keep it in their pants for a few weeks (or at least
> don't get caught) they get to go home again a few weeks later. Have a
> thought for those who don't get to go home again. I'm talking about the
> situation in Russia, where the government is engaging in 1930s-style
> scape-goating and oppression of homosexuals. They haven't quite reached
> the level of Kristallnacht or concentration camps, but the rhetoric and
> laws coming out of the Kremlin are just like that coming out of the
> Reichstag in the thirties.


You are of course correct - I was still groggy from waking up when I
replied, and focused on the element that I had been most exposed to.

Tim Delaney

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#62836

On 28/12/2013 04:16, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 07:30:34 +1100, Tim Delaney wrote:
>
>> On 28 December 2013 04:34, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Personally, I think that people ought to throw a party celebrating
>>>> Turing's rehabilitation, and do it right outside the Russian Embassy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Any particular reason for the restriction to Russian Embassy?
>>
>>
>> I suspect it's in reference to the difficulties homosexuals are likely
>> to face when attending or competing in the 2014 Winter Olympic and
>> Paralympic Games at Sochi.
>
> I don't care about the Olympians. Their presence in Russia is voluntary,
> and so long as they keep it in their pants for a few weeks (or at least
> don't get caught) they get to go home again a few weeks later. Have a
> thought for those who don't get to go home again. I'm talking about the
> situation in Russia, where the government is engaging in 1930s-style
> scape-goating and oppression of homosexuals. They haven't quite reached
> the level of Kristallnacht or concentration camps, but the rhetoric and
> laws coming out of the Kremlin are just like that coming out of the
> Reichstag in the thirties.
>

The moral of the story is clear.  Stay well clear of Russia if you're 
gay.  Head to some gay friendly nation, such as Uganda or for that 
matter the vast majority of African states.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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