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| Started by | Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> |
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| First post | 2013-07-10 07:55 +0000 |
| Last post | 2013-07-19 20:47 -0400 |
| Articles | 7 on this page of 67 — 24 participants |
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Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> - 2013-07-10 07:55 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 18:26 +1000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-10 08:37 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> - 2013-07-10 08:33 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 18:50 +1000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> - 2013-07-10 08:46 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 03:12 -0600
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> - 2013-07-10 09:13 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2013-07-10 10:52 +0100
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 12:08 +0100
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2013-07-10 12:15 +0100
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> - 2013-07-10 06:52 -0500
Re: Stack Overflow moder ator “animuson” Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-10 15:01 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moder ator “animuson” CM <cmpython@gmail.com> - 2013-07-11 00:36 -0700
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> - 2013-07-10 08:50 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 19:10 +1000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> - 2013-07-10 08:32 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 18:46 +1000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> - 2013-07-10 08:43 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 22:20 -0600
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 03:00 -0600
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> - 2013-07-10 08:42 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 19:02 +1000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> - 2013-07-10 09:01 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 19:39 +1000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> - 2013-07-10 12:22 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 22:26 -0600
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 03:06 -0600
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> - 2013-07-10 09:03 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-10 13:14 +0200
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> - 2013-07-10 12:01 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2013-07-10 13:13 +0100
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2013-07-10 12:19 +0100
Re: StackOverflowmoderator “animuson” Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-10 16:03 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-10 09:00 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 12:18 +0100
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> - 2013-07-10 12:13 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 22:22 +1000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> - 2013-07-10 07:35 -0500
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Paul Scott <pscott209@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 14:27 +0200
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2013-07-10 13:39 +0100
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> - 2013-07-10 08:12 -0500
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” memilanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 07:34 -0700
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-07-11 12:04 +1000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2013-07-10 16:54 +0100
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-10 17:15 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2013-07-10 18:53 +0100
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-10 23:28 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-07-10 09:18 -0700
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 12:32 -0400
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2013-07-10 18:55 +0100
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Antoine Pitrou <solipsis@pitrou.net> - 2013-07-18 08:54 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-07-19 11:54 -0700
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-20 08:35 +1000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-07-19 19:14 -0400
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2013-07-20 11:27 +0100
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2013-07-10 12:12 +0100
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> - 2013-07-10 12:06 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Benedict Verheyen <benedict.verheyen@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 13:53 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-07-11 12:08 +1000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 10:02 -0600
Re: Stack Overflow bans Mats Peterson (was Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”) Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 22:38 -0600
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Benedict Verheyen <benedict.verheyen@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 11:56 +0000
Re: Stack Overflow bans Mats Peterson (was Re: ....) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-07-10 14:52 -0400
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-11 11:36 +0200
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Jake Angulo <jake.angulo@gmail.com> - 2013-07-19 17:33 +1000
Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson” Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2013-07-19 20:47 -0400
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| From | Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-07-10 10:02 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.4532.1373472219.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #50345 |
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> wrote: > Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> wrote: >> If you actually can satisfy these basic standards for a comparison (as >> I'm sure any competent person with so much bravo could) I'd be willing >> to converse with you. I'd like to see these results where Python compares >> as "extremely slow". Note that, by your own wording, a 30% drop is irrelevant. > > I haven't provided a "real-world" example, since I expect you Python > Einsteins to be able do an A/B test between Python and Perl yourselves > (provided you know Perl, of course, which I'm afraid is not always the > case). And why would I use any "custom" version of Python, when I don't > have to do that with Perl? Well, I'm certainly not about to do the comparison myself. I only have so much time, and presently I am not sufficiently motivated about this topic to invest any time in it. A suggestion: *you* brought up the subject, so if you want us to pay attention to your claims, then *you* had better be prepared to get your hands dirty and do the actual work to support it.
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| From | Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-07-10 22:38 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Stack Overflow bans Mats Peterson (was Re: Stack Overflow moderator “animuson”) |
| Message-ID | <mailman.4564.1373517508.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #50345 |
On 07/10/2013 06:06 AM, Mats Peterson wrote: > I haven't provided a "real-world" example, since I expect you Python > Einsteins to be able do an A/B test between Python and Perl yourselves > (provided you know Perl, of course, which I'm afraid is not always the > case). And why would I use any "custom" version of Python, when I don't > have to do that with Perl? Oh wow. You really do sound like Ranting Rick. Always wanting someone else to do the work and carry the burden of proof. Since you don't use Python, don't like Python, and don't promote Python, why are you here on this list? Are you evangelizing Perl? Apologies to the list; I hope I'm done.
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| From | Benedict Verheyen <benedict.verheyen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-07-10 11:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.4511.1373457383.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #50304 |
Op Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:12:10 +0100, schreef Joshua Landau: <snip> > > Do you have any non-trivial, properly benchmarked real-world examples > that this affects, remembering to use full Unicode support in Perl (as > Python has it by default)? > Indeed, as Joshua says, instead of going through all the effort to talk about it, why don't you show us that Python is slower in regexs than perl. That's at least relevant bandwdith. Next, if Python is slower, there might be ways to improve the performance. Last, if there is a SPU (Secret Python Underground), I want to j -- Benedict Verheyen Debian, Python and Django user GnuPG Public Key 0x712CBB8D
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| From | Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> |
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| Date | 2013-07-10 14:52 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Stack Overflow bans Mats Peterson (was Re: ....) |
| Message-ID | <mailman.4544.1373482391.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #50304 |
On 7/10/2013 3:55 AM, Mats Peterson wrote: > A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t > want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python > regular expression matching being extremely slow compared to Perl. > Additionally my account has been suspended for 7 days. Such a dickwad. Your opinion of "animuson" is off-topic for this list. StackOverflow is explicitly for technical questions with technical answers. I believe opinions, languages comparisions, and flamebaits in general are explicitly banned and subject to removal and possible banning. So are subterfuges like phrasing banned topics as questions. Given your behavior here, I am 90+% sure animuson's action was appropriate. -- Terry Jan Reedy
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| From | Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> |
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| Date | 2013-07-11 11:36 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.4617.1373613834.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #50304 |
Op 10-07-13 13:56, Benedict Verheyen schreef: > Op Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:12:10 +0100, schreef Joshua Landau: > > <snip> >> >> Do you have any non-trivial, properly benchmarked real-world examples >> that this affects, remembering to use full Unicode support in Perl (as >> Python has it by default)? >> > > Indeed, as Joshua says, instead of going through all the effort to talk > about it, why don't you show us that Python is slower in regexs than perl. > That's at least relevant bandwdith. > > Next, if Python is slower, there might be ways to improve the performance. > > Last, if there is a SPU (Secret Python Underground), I want to j > Heretic, it is the
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| From | Jake Angulo <jake.angulo@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-07-19 17:33 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.4859.1374219210.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #50304 |
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On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mats Peterson <matsp999@aim.com> wrote: > A moderator who calls himself “animuson” on Stack Overflow doesn’t > want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python > regular expression matching being extremely slow compared to Perl. > Additionally my account has been suspended for 7 days. Such a dickwad. > > The OP meant to post: A moderator who calls himself MatsDtroll on Stack Overflow doesn’t want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Perl regular expression matching being extremely slow compared to Bash regex. Additionally my account has been suspended for 7 days. Such a dickwad.
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| From | Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> |
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| Date | 2013-07-19 20:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <kscmbl$8m3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #50304 |
On 7/10/13 3:55 AM, Mats Peterson wrote: > A moderator who calls himself “animuson†on Stack Overflow doesn’t > want to face the truth. He has deleted all my postings regarding Python > regular expression matching being extremely slow compared to Perl. > Additionally my account has been suspended for 7 days. Such a dickwad. > > Mats > And we should care because...? -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com
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