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  Re: Python IDE/text-editor Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 02:13 +1000
    Re: Python IDE/text-editor rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2011-04-16 09:30 -0700
      Re: Python IDE/text-editor John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> - 2011-04-16 17:19 -0500
        Re: Python IDE/text-editor rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2011-04-16 19:04 -0700
          Re: Python IDE/text-editor John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> - 2011-04-16 22:22 -0500
            Re: Python IDE/text-editor rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2011-04-16 21:28 -0700
              Re: Python IDE/text-editor John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> - 2011-04-17 10:58 -0500
            Re: Python IDE/text-editor Bastian Ballmann <balle@chaostal.de> - 2011-04-17 10:35 +0200
              Re: Python IDE/text-editor John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> - 2011-04-17 11:03 -0500
            Re: Python IDE/text-editor Alec Taylor <alec.taylor6@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 20:03 +1000
              Re: Python IDE/text-editor Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-17 21:09 +1000
                Re: Python IDE/text-editor Andrea Crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 14:24 +0200
                Re: Python IDE/text-editor sal migondis <salmig99@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 08:50 -0700
              Re: Python IDE/text-editor John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> - 2011-04-17 11:07 -0500
      Re: Python IDE/text-editor Krzysztof Bieniasz <krzysztof.t.bieniasz@gmail.com> - 2011-04-16 23:12 +0000
        Re: Python IDE/text-editor rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2011-04-16 19:34 -0700
        Re: Python IDE/text-editor Westley Martínez <anikom15@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 13:05 -0700
          Re: Python IDE/text-editor Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-18 07:19 +1000
            Re: Python IDE/text-editor Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2011-04-17 17:46 -0500
    Re: Python IDE/text-editor Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2011-04-17 07:17 +0000
      Re: Python IDE/text-editor Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 18:20 +1000
      Re: Python IDE/text-editor harrismh777 <harrismh777@charter.net> - 2011-04-18 02:33 -0500

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#3376

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
> (That should really be a new job title. Just as there are aerobics
> instructors or whatever at the gyms to help you use the equipment
> there safely and efficiently, there should be text editor instructors!)

You nearly had me crack up laughing in the middle of a church
meeting... Yes! We need text editor instructors.

"Don't forget that you can press F7 to make."

"You could do that more easily with C-x M-c M-butterfly."

Chris Angelico

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#3468

Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> Based on the comments here, it seems that emacs would have to be the
>>  editor-in-chief for programmers. I currently use SciTE at work; is it
>>  reasonable to, effectively, bill my employer for the time it'll take
>>  me to learn emacs?

Editor-in-chief is a bit strong... but many folks that process text 
files use nothing else... programming is just one venue where emacs shines.

I learned vi early on at the IBM lab @Rochester back in the very early 
'90s on the RS6000; IBM's Unix version AIX. Back in the day the machines 
did not have graphics monitors; rather, they used Info Windows like the 
3151 (basically, dumb terminals with RS-232C connection on a short 25 
pin cable).  So, I became proficient at vi and use it profusely even to 
this very day... the ESC key is worn out on my keyboard !  (but, I 
digressed, as usual)

I didn't take the time to learn emacs when I first heard of it because 
it was presented to me as "just another gui editor" with strange meta 
key relationships (and besides, I was told, real men use vi).

I didn't try emacs until I got to know RMS (by reading his books, 
listening to his speeches on-line, interacting on the FSF) and I wanted 
to know a little bit more about how he ticked... how better than to 
learn to use the editor he developed. It was then that I realized that 
this so-called "gui editor" was actually a Lisp environment capable of 
extension and expansion applicable to all sorts of activities from email 
to program development. I have been using emacs ever since and loving it 
too.   Yes, I still use vi and always will.

Having said all of that, I was able to learn emacs 2.3 from the built-in 
tutorial in about an hour (I'm a little slow). Emacs could take a person 
many years to fully master and appreciate, but the basics come pretty 
easily for a good hour's effort and a cup of coffee. Learning how to 
extend its capabilities with Lisp might take a while longer obviously.

Bottom line for my two cents worth here, put emacs in your tool-kit... 
you'll be glad you did it.


kind regards,
m harris

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