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  [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-02-27 20:37 +1100
    Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-02-27 09:50 +0000
    Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-02-27 14:06 -0800
    Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Jason Friedman <jsf80238@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 17:00 -0700
    Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 11:21 -0500
    Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 09:47 -0700
    Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-01 03:56 +1100
      Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 09:08 -0800
        Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-01 04:33 +1100
          Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 09:54 -0800
        Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 17:40 -0500
        Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-02-29 23:29 +0000
        Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 18:33 -0500
        Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-02 04:05 +1100
          Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 09:02 -0800
            Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-03 13:27 +1100
              Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 13:35 +1100
                Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-03-03 17:21 +0000
                  Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 11:03 -0700
                    Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-03-03 20:20 +0000
                      Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 13:33 -0700
                      Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception William Ray Wing <wrw@mac.com> - 2016-03-03 18:02 -0500
                        Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-03-04 14:05 +0000
                      [Still off-top] Physics [was Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception] Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-04 11:04 +1100
                        Re: [Still off-top] Physics [was Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception] Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 10:19 +0000
                          Re: [Still off-top] Physics [was Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception] Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-04 12:38 +0200
                            Re: [Still off-top] Physics [was Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception] Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2016-03-04 13:10 +0000
                            Re: [Still off-top] Physics [was Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception] Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 17:35 +0000
                              Re: [Still off-top] Physics [was Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception] André Roberge <andre.roberge@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 11:12 -0800
                              Re: [Still off-top] Physics [was Requests author discusses   MentalHealthError exception] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2016-03-05 15:51 +1300
                                Re: [Still off-top] Physics [was Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 14:13 +1100
                                  Re: [Still off-top] Physics [was Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception] Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-05 10:31 +0200
                                Re: [Still off-top] Physics [was Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception] Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 13:11 +0000
                                  Photon mass (was: [Still off-top] Physics) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-05 16:38 +0100
                                Re: [Still off-top] Physics [was Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception] Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2016-03-05 10:15 -0500
                                  Photon mass (was: [Still off-top] Physics) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-05 16:46 +0100
                                    Re: Photon mass (was: [Still off-top] Physics) Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2016-03-05 12:36 -0500
                                    Re: Photon mass (was: [Still off-top] Physics) Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-06 12:16 -0500
                                    Re: Photon mass (was: [Still off-top] Physics) Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 09:21 -0500
                          Re: [Still off-topic] Physics Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-06 16:36 +1100
                      Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError   exception Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2016-03-04 19:34 +1300
                        Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError   exception Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-04 08:52 +0200
              Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 19:57 -0800
                Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 23:44 -0700
                Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-04 02:50 +1100
                Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-03 16:21 +0000
        Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2016-03-03 08:23 +0100
      Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-29 16:35 -0800
        Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-02-29 16:54 -0800
    Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 17:36 -0500
    Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 17:38 -0500
      Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-01 23:13 +1100
        Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception "Sven R. Kunze" <srkunze@mail.de> - 2016-03-01 17:49 +0100
    Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception "Mario R. Osorio" <nimbiotics@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 20:11 -0800
    Re: Photon mass (was: [Still off-top] Physics) Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2016-03-06 16:46 -0500
    Re: Photon mass (was: [Still off-top] Physics) Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 17:51 -0500

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#104016 — Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

alister wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:03:55 -0700, Ian Kelly wrote:
> 
>>On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 10:21 AM, alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>Antimatter has positive mass.
> 
> Are you sure?
>  mix 1 atom of hydrogen + 1 of anti hydrogen & you end up with 0 mass

That's not because anti-hydrogen has negative mass, though.
It's just because photons happen to have zero mass. (You're
assuming here that photons are the only products, which is
not the only possible result, but it's one of the possibilities.)

Mass on its own is not a conserved quantity. The thing that's
conserved is total energy. Mass is just the energy something
has when it's standing still, so if the anti-hydrogen had
negative mass, it would also have negative energy when at
rest, and you would get a total of zero energy out of the
reaction. This is not what happens.

As far as I know, there are no negative masses anywhere in
any of our current theories of physics, nor have we observed
anything that would suggest the need for such a thing.

-- 
Greg

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#104017 — Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz>:

> Mass on its own is not a conserved quantity. The thing that's
> conserved is total energy.

Similarly, momentum is conserved.

Whether mass is conserved or not depends on the chosen terminology.

> As far as I know, there are no negative masses anywhere in any of our
> current theories of physics, nor have we observed anything that would
> suggest the need for such a thing.

What is not known is how antimatter is affected by gravity: <URL:
http://news.berkeley.edu/2013/04/30/is-antimatter-anti-gravity/>.


Marko

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#103934

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 7:59:13 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 04:02 am, Rustom Mody wrote:
> 
> > And how is [1]'s starting different from Kenneth's finding his weight
> > to be the weight of the universe?
> 
> Is that a trick question? 
> 
> "How is a raven like a writing desk?"
> 
> "Neither of them are made of cheese cake."
> 
> We can be absolutely certain that Kenneth weighs less than the entire
> universe. We don't even need a set of scales.

No trick

William Blake starts Auguries of Innocence with:

To see a world in a grain of sand,
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And eternity in an hour.

Reading the whole at http://www.artofeurope.com/blake/bla3.htm
would make this discussion less academic

Kenneth (at some point) felt he had the mass of the universe.

So you can choose (one/some of)

1. Kenneth is like Blake
2. Blake is a lunatic
3. Standards of lunacy differ from 17th century to now


Likewise...

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 8:05:27 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Steven D'Aprano  wrote:
> > We can be absolutely certain that Kenneth weighs less than the entire
> > universe. We don't even need a set of scales.
> 
> Formal proof:
> 
> 1) No physical object can have negative mass.
> 2) I am a part of the universe and have positive mass.
> 3) I am not Kenneth.
> 4) The sum of my mass and Kenneth's mass must exceed Kenneth's mass alone.

What do physical objects have to do with Kenneth's experience?
For you (Chris) you may (choose to) see Kenneth that way
Kenneth (at least for a while) got out of that notion
Forcing him back into that is what Larry calls 
"Forcing people into the status quo"

Speaking for myself:
I am certainly closer to the 'status quo" (most of the time at least) than
Kenneth
However I would not like to die
How does one not die and still hold onto the belief that this 60 kg body is me?

It may be instructive to take any religion of your choice (not necessarily 'new age')
Focus on their starting/ending points
You would, if you neglect the doctrinal/mythological/cultural gook inbetween,
find something like this there invariably.
You can reject this if you choose but then whats the talk of consensus 
when you reject the outlook of billions of people over millenia?

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#103944

On Mar 2, 2016 9:01 PM, "Rustom Mody" <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 7:59:13 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 04:02 am, Rustom Mody wrote:
> >
> > > And how is [1]'s starting different from Kenneth's finding his weight
> > > to be the weight of the universe?
> >
> > Is that a trick question?
> >
> > "How is a raven like a writing desk?"
> >
> > "Neither of them are made of cheese cake."
> >
> > We can be absolutely certain that Kenneth weighs less than the entire
> > universe. We don't even need a set of scales.
>
> No trick
>
> William Blake starts Auguries of Innocence with:
>
> To see a world in a grain of sand,
> And a heaven in a wild flower,
> Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
> And eternity in an hour.
>
> Reading the whole at http://www.artofeurope.com/blake/bla3.htm
> would make this discussion less academic
>
> Kenneth (at some point) felt he had the mass of the universe.
>
> So you can choose (one/some of)
>
> 1. Kenneth is like Blake
> 2. Blake is a lunatic
> 3. Standards of lunacy differ from 17th century to now

Please don't refer to the mentally ill as "lunatics". That's very
insensitive.

To answer your proposition, either Blake was also mentally ill, which does
not preclude his poetry from being well regarded or important. Or, more
likely, he was being metaphorical and did not believe these words to be
literally true.

> What do physical objects have to do with Kenneth's experience?

There's no good reason to believe that there is anything other than the
physical. Believing otherwise for no better reason than the incoherent
experience of a demonstrably fallible human mind is indulging fantasy and
delusion.

> For you (Chris) you may (choose to) see Kenneth that way
> Kenneth (at least for a while) got out of that notion
> Forcing him back into that is what Larry calls
> "Forcing people into the status quo"
>
> Speaking for myself:
> I am certainly closer to the 'status quo" (most of the time at least) than
> Kenneth
> However I would not like to die
> How does one not die and still hold onto the belief that this 60 kg body
is me?

Much as one might wish otherwise, one simply doesn't. Going back in the
other direction, do you believe that you were never "born"? If not, how do
you conceive yourself existing infinitely in one temporal direction and not
the other?

> It may be instructive to take any religion of your choice (not
necessarily 'new age')
> Focus on their starting/ending points
> You would, if you neglect the doctrinal/mythological/cultural gook
inbetween,
> find something like this there invariably.
> You can reject this if you choose but then whats the talk of consensus
> when you reject the outlook of billions of people over millenia?

Most of whom did not have the luxury of being born after the enlightenment
and the advancement of science to denature them of superstition.

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#103968

On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 02:57 pm, Rustom Mody wrote:


> William Blake starts Auguries of Innocence with:
> 
> To see a world in a grain of sand,
> And a heaven in a wild flower,
> Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
> And eternity in an hour.
> 
> Reading the whole at http://www.artofeurope.com/blake/bla3.htm
> would make this discussion less academic
> 
> Kenneth (at some point) felt he had the mass of the universe.
> 
> So you can choose (one/some of)
> 
> 1. Kenneth is like Blake
> 2. Blake is a lunatic
> 3. Standards of lunacy differ from 17th century to now

Blake did suffer from mental illness. He hallucinated, he had extreme mood
swings, he suffered manic and depressive episodes. Obviously we cannot give
him a reliable diagnosis long after his death, but he may have been
schizophrenic.

http://thesecondsight.blogspot.com.au/2006/02/william-blake-schizophrenic.html
http://www.litkicks.com/Blake/


I don't know if Kenneth is significantly like Blake in any way. Not all
mental illnesses are the same.


> Likewise...
> 
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 8:05:27 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Steven D'Aprano  wrote:
>> > We can be absolutely certain that Kenneth weighs less than the entire
>> > universe. We don't even need a set of scales.
>> 
>> Formal proof:
>> 
>> 1) No physical object can have negative mass.
>> 2) I am a part of the universe and have positive mass.
>> 3) I am not Kenneth.
>> 4) The sum of my mass and Kenneth's mass must exceed Kenneth's mass
>> alone.
> 
> What do physical objects have to do with Kenneth's experience?

The question "What is your weight?" refers to a physical property (weight)
of a physical object (Kenneth). What did you think it referred to?


> For you (Chris) you may (choose to) see Kenneth that way
> Kenneth (at least for a while) got out of that notion

Yes, he was having a psychotic episode where his brain was no fully longer
capable of processing. Like a CPU with a short between transistors, he was
(figuratively speaking) adding 1 + 1 and getting strawberry.

It really is disturbing when people suggest that mental dysfunction is
somehow "better" or more profound than mere reality. Or "more real than
reality", as if that actually means something. It is as if somebody tries
to explain how great it must be for those lucky people who are diabetic,
since they are no longer limited to the prosaic and limiting "normal"
functioning of the pancreas. Or how wonderful it would be to have asthma
and no longer be limited to the pedestrian lung functionality that the rest
of us are limited to.

The only difference is that with some kinds of mental illness, the sufferer
is *unable to tell how badly they are affected* because their brain is not
functioning well enough to realise that there is a problem. Dunning-Kruger,
turned up to exploding point.

In some ways, it's like being a drunk who is insists that he's never felt
sharper and more alert, moments before he collapses into an alcoholic
stupor. Or a drug user who is intoxicated but can no longer distinguish
between the actual input to her senses and the hallucinations generated by
her own literally poisoned brain. Or the symptoms of acute lack of oxygen
and hypothermia:

http://www.climbing-high.com/hypothermia.html


-- 
Steven

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#103976

On 03/03/2016 03:57, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 7:59:13 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 04:02 am, Rustom Mody wrote:
>>
>>> And how is [1]'s starting different from Kenneth's finding his weight
>>> to be the weight of the universe?
>>
>> Is that a trick question?
>>
>> "How is a raven like a writing desk?"
>>
>> "Neither of them are made of cheese cake."
>>
>> We can be absolutely certain that Kenneth weighs less than the entire
>> universe. We don't even need a set of scales.
>
> No trick
>
> William Blake starts Auguries of Innocence with:
>
> To see a world in a grain of sand,
> And a heaven in a wild flower,
> Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
> And eternity in an hour.
>
> Reading the whole at http://www.artofeurope.com/blake/bla3.htm
> would make this discussion less academic
>
> Kenneth (at some point) felt he had the mass of the universe.
>
> So you can choose (one/some of)
>
> 1. Kenneth is like Blake
> 2. Blake is a lunatic
> 3. Standards of lunacy differ from 17th century to now
>

I object most strongly to the use of the word "lunatic".

Can we please drop this thread as I'm, and I'm sure others, are finding 
it extremely hurtful.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#103946

On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:29:43 +0000
Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 29/02/2016 22:40, Larry Martell wrote:

>> I think for the most part, the mental health industry is most
>> interested in pushing drugs and forcing people into some status quo.

> I am disgusted by your comments.  I'll keep my original reply in reserve.

 Actually, if you view it by raw numbers, where depression makes up the bulk
of the total number of mental problems, Larry's statement is true.

 Studies not performed by the industry shows that an un-medicated depression
ends on average half a day later than one that's treated with some sort
of SSRI. 

Disclaimer: I'm depressed myself, and I've taken an interest into the hows
and whys of SSRI medications.

-- 
//Wegge

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#103770

Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> writes:
>> "All that he had learned" meaning his delusions and psychoses?
> Indeed. If a revelation is unconnected to reality, it's misleading to
> say that one has “learned” it....
> When someone describes the ill effects their mental illness produced, I
> find it rather condescending for an observer to express regret that
> the person no longer experiences those ill effects.

The story reminded me of "A Beautiful Mind" by Sylvia Nasar, about
mathematician John Nash who suffered from mental illness in the
1970s-80's(?) but later recovered and won the Nobel Prize in economics.
The book is excellent and I recommend it if you find that sort of thing
interesting.  They made a movie from it that was popular but I gather
was Hollywood-fluffified as one could expect (I haven't seen it).

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#103771

On 02/29/2016 04:35 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:

> The story reminded me of "A Beautiful Mind" by Sylvia Nasar, about
> mathematician John Nash who suffered from mental illness in the
> 1970s-80's(?) but later recovered and won the Nobel Prize in economics.
> The book is excellent and I recommend it if you find that sort of thing
> interesting.  They made a movie from it that was popular but I gather
> was Hollywood-fluffified as one could expect (I haven't seen it).

I'm sure it was fluffified, but it is a good movie.

--
~Ethan~

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#103762

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 4:37 AM, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:
>>> The author of Requests, Kenneth Reitz, discusses his recent recovery from a
>>> MentalHealthError exception.
>>>
>>> http://www.kennethreitz.org/essays/mentalhealtherror-an-exception-occurred
>>>
>>> Although the connection to Python is only quite slim, I found it fascinating
>>> to read.
>>
>> I found this to be a very sad story. Sure, he had some issues, but I
>> don't think they needed to drug him, and take all that he had learned
>> away from him and turn him back into what he was before.
>
> "All that he had learned" meaning his delusions and psychoses?

How do you know they were delusions? I think his only problem was not
sleeping, which can kill you.

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#103763

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> wrote:
> Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I found this to be a very sad story. Sure, he had some issues, but I
>> > don't think they needed to drug him, and take all that he had
>> > learned away from him and turn him back into what he was before.
>>
>> "All that he had learned" meaning his delusions and psychoses?
>
> Indeed. If a revelation is unconnected to reality, it's misleading to
> say that one has “learned” it.

But what is reality?

> Also, I don't see how anyone “took away” those experiences. He wrote an
> article describing them and clearly still retains those experiences as
> memories to recall as he wishes.

They made him believe they were not true.

> When someone describes the ill effects their mental illness produced,

I don't consider him to have been mentally ill.

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#103792

On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 09:38 am, Larry Martell wrote:

> But what is reality?

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.



-- 
Steven

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#103800

On 01.03.2016 13:13, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 09:38 am, Larry Martell wrote:
>
>> But what is reality?
> Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

Just like that.

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#103775

On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 4:39:12 AM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> The author of Requests, Kenneth Reitz, discusses his recent recovery from a
> MentalHealthError exception.
> 
> http://www.kennethreitz.org/essays/mentalhealtherror-an-exception-occurred
> 
> Although the connection to Python is only quite slim, I found it fascinating
> to read.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Steven


Live and let live, but DO learn from other's experiences in the mean time otherwise, your life has been wasted.

If you are one of those "hyper-intelligent pan-dimensional beings", good for you! but I think he made it very clear that is NOT what he should have been into.

Larry, you seem to know nothing about the mental health system(s) and might actually be in desperate need for help.

I myself have been helped A LOT with the right combination of psychologists, psychiatric doctors and medication.

You just have to be careful when selecting those professionals.

Larry ... just get a life ... for yourself.

(OH, and avoid new age and the such!!)

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#104174 — Re: Photon mass (was: [Still off-top] Physics)

On Sunday 06 March 2016 09:21:49 Larry Martell wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> 
wrote:

[...]

> > So in that scenario, I have first hand knowledge about relativity
> > despite my offical 8th grade education.
>
> Gene, your massive and varied experiences trump my formal education
> any day.

Chuckle, and many thanks Larry. I'll have to admit that I did get a bit 
of a grin after the fact in explaining the cause of that particular 
broadcasters major pain in the ass to a papered FCC engineer. ;-)  He 
did "get" it FWIW.  He also tore up the $27,500 citation he was going to 
issue because he had measured 46 units of burst in the on air signal the 
night before, when he saw that a diode, which doesn't lie without a huge 
amount of help, said about 19.5 and the R&S monitor worth about 10 grand 
more than what he had in the truck said 39 units. s/b 40.  Since the 
diode measure both sidebands, but the lower one is missing, it only 
shows half of what the NTSC signal has when the monitor (or the common 
tv,) is properly aligned and fine tuned correctly.  We also had 
automatic correctors for that sort of things which would never have 
allowed that 12% error to get past it.

Has Carol written anything new lately?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#104175 — Re: Photon mass (was: [Still off-top] Physics)

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> wrote:
>
> Has Carol written anything new lately?

I replied to Gene privately, but if anyone is wondering, Carol is my
wife and these are her blogs:

Non-fiction:

http://minervaontheroad.com/

Fiction:

https://minervamartell.wordpress.com/

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