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  @property simultaneous setter and getter Brian Bruggeman <brian.m.bruggeman@gmail.com> - 2013-12-20 15:26 -0600
    Re: @property simultaneous setter and getter Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-21 11:31 +0000
      Re: @property simultaneous setter and getter Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-21 12:09 +0000
      Re: @property simultaneous setter and getter Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-12-21 11:59 -0500
      Hopper and Backus (was Re: @property simultaneous setter and getter) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-12-21 16:42 -0500

#62480 — @property simultaneous setter and getter

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Is this something that would be pep-able?

https://gist.github.com/brianbruggeman/8061774

Thanks in advance.

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#62483

On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:26:10 -0600, Brian Bruggeman wrote:

> Is this something that would be pep-able?

I don't know. What is it? I'm sure your code is the most fabulous, 
awesome and brilliant thing since Grace Hopper came up with FORmula 
TRANslation back in the 1950s, but my browser has over eighty tabs open 
at the moment, give me a reason why I ought to open one more.


> https://gist.github.com/brianbruggeman/8061774

If you aren't willing or able to spend a sentence or three explaining 
what your code does, what need it fulfils, and why it ought to be 
included in Python, you're going to have real bad time trying to persuade 
the hard-nosed, conservative core developers. Trust me, I know what I am 
talking about, I am the author of a successful PEP:

http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0450/

and that was for something which already had at least two of the most 
respected core developers' support before I even started. So before you 
go to the effort of writing a PEP, how about you try to justify your 
proposal here?



-- 
Steven

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#62487

On 21/12/2013 11:31, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:26:10 -0600, Brian Bruggeman wrote:
>
>> Is this something that would be pep-able?
>
> I don't know. What is it? I'm sure your code is the most fabulous,
> awesome and brilliant thing since Grace Hopper came up with FORmula
> TRANslation back in the 1950s, but my browser has over eighty tabs open
> at the moment, give me a reason why I ought to open one more.
>

I was under the impression that she was more associated with COBOL but 
never mind.

>
>> https://gist.github.com/brianbruggeman/8061774
>
> If you aren't willing or able to spend a sentence or three explaining
> what your code does, what need it fulfils, and why it ought to be
> included in Python, you're going to have real bad time trying to persuade
> the hard-nosed, conservative core developers. Trust me, I know what I am
> talking about, I am the author of a successful PEP:
>
> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0450/
>
> and that was for something which already had at least two of the most
> respected core developers' support before I even started. So before you
> go to the effort of writing a PEP, how about you try to justify your
> proposal here?
>

Nail struck firmly on head I reckon.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#62502

On 21 Dec 2013 11:31:22 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> declaimed the following:

>On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:26:10 -0600, Brian Bruggeman wrote:
>
>> Is this something that would be pep-able?
>
>I don't know. What is it? I'm sure your code is the most fabulous, 
>awesome and brilliant thing since Grace Hopper came up with FORmula 
>TRANslation back in the 1950s, but my browser has over eighty tabs open 
>at the moment, give me a reason why I ought to open one more.
>
	As I recall, Grace Hopper was involved in COmmon Business Oriented
Language. FORTRAN credit goes to John Backus (the B in BNF notation)
-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
    wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#62514 — Hopper and Backus (was Re: @property simultaneous setter and getter)

On 12/21/2013 11:59 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On 21 Dec 2013 11:31:22 GMT, Steven D'Aprano

>> I don't know. What is it? I'm sure your code is the most fabulous,
>> awesome and brilliant thing since Grace Hopper came up with FORmula
>> TRANslation back in the 1950s,

> As I recall, Grace Hopper was involved in COmmon Business Oriented
> Language.

Yes, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_hopper

Somehow, I had the same impression as Steven.

 > FORTRAN credit goes to John Backus (the B in BNF notation)

He assembled and directed the team (at IBM, it appears).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Backus

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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